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$4 gas - Time for a Boycott?
This morning a bunch of NowPublic news wranglers were Skyping about $4 gas. I had said that I was interested in gauging opinion of NP members in Chicago, Seattle, and Los Angeles. This was promoted by seeing the "No Gas - May 15" story posted by wrangler Kearney
Brock skyped back:
In that link on the national "gas out" story, this is the lead sentence: "In April 1997, there was a nationwide "Gas-out" conducted in protest of high gas prices. Gasoline prices dropped 30 cents a gallon overnight."
I'm highly suspect about that piece of data and would like to see the back up on it.
Kaitlin responded: Yeah, I'm suspicious too.
This provoked a general discussion that basically split this way: some NP wranglers thought that high gas prices were a necessary way to combat global warming (as Norway has done, a country with rich petroleum resources but artificially keeps the prices high to discourage consumption and promote environmentalism), while others focused on the rapacious practices of Big Oil. But what about a boycott? Would that have a good impact, a bad impact, or no impact?
Brock hit us with this:
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Chevron Corp., the second-largest U.S. oil company, is preparing to acknowledge that it should have known kickbacks were being paid to Saddam Hussein on oil it bought from Iraq as part of a defunct United Nations program, according to investigators, The New York Times reported in its Tuesday editions.
The admission is part of a settlement being negotiated with U.S. prosecutors and includes fines totaling $25 million to $30 million, according to the investigators, who declined to be identified because the settlement was not yet public.
BD IM'd this in:
1) Gas is not "oil" -plastics are a major portion of oil use. 2) US is not 100% of all buyers...so ther overall affect would only be a percentage (even if everyone participated -which they wont)3) Not buying gas for one day would not affect over all price but more than a blip -if anything at all.
Further backing & forthing produced commitments that we would be encouraging a wide variety of contributions on this issue.
Kaitlin is crowdsourcing Seattle
Victoria has Los Angeles.
And I'm doing Chicago.
For all others who want in on the action: make sure to tag your items with "$4 gas." This will be our prime rallying point.
We want to know: do you support a boycott at the gas pump starting May 15?
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Most RecentMost Recommended Comments (9)
at 14:22 on May 8th, 2007
Could it be that the EVIL oil companies are interested in your health? Naaaahhhhh- As gas prices rise, people will be forced to walk, bicycle, and run to catch public transportation. Goodby Global warming, goodby obesity, goodby Universal Health care, hello nirvana as everyone cuts back on the $4 gas, Democrats will loose several scare tactics if Global Warming, trans-fats and universal health care is defunct. They better get those gas prices down so we can keep the Global warming train on it's tracks. Then there's the Liberal FAT POLICE who will loose prestige and power when people become fit and buff. This could be the end of Hillary and HILLARY CARE(the ultimate health care). I did my Gas Out - every day now - for months, I drive less, but then I hate to drive these days anyways. I'm slim trim heart healthy and not dieing from global warming or fast food.
There's so many other things that need attention now, like the recent drug bill that raised the price of some drugs ten fold. I'll be needing those drugs to treat my neurosis from all the great health and nothing to do but walk and look at all the little animals.
at 15:12 on May 8th, 2007
Adjusted for inflation, gas prices are reasonable today, not especially high.
A one-day gas boycott won't even reach Big Oil, they won't notice it at all. A one-day boycott will affect gas stations. Gas stations don't buy gas every day, they'll have one day of slow sales and a little extra before and after. Probably won't have any impact on their orders for gas from wholesalers, stations don't fill their tanks every day. By the time you work your way up the distribution channels to the refiners, they won't even notice a one-day boycott, even if it's 100% effective.
Want to hurt Big Oil? Stage a mini-boycott every day of your life -- *think* before you drive. Choose an efficient car, keep it well maintained, and don't drive more than you need to. Let's say you drive 12,000 miles a year, that's about average, and let's say you get 20 miles/gallon. That's 600 gallons a year. Now let's say a one-day boycott really did cut your annual consumption by 10 gallons. (Realistically, you'd just buy your gas the day before, or the day after. But let's just pretend the boycott really worked.) That's 1.7% of your gas for the year. You'll hurt Big Oil more by changing your air filter and checking your tire pressure.
Instead of a one-day boycott, let's say you trade in your car on a more efficient model that gets 24 mpg instead of 20. Not a huge improvement, I'm not saying you have to run out and get a Prius. 24mpg vs. 20mpg. That's 100 gallons a year.
Meanwhile, if you're in the U.S., let's look at gas taxes. Are your roads and highways well-maintained? Do you get where you're going as fast as you should? Want to know why not? Because we're not paying for good roads, or new roads.
Here in Washington State, we have some of the higher gas taxes in the country, 34 cents, for a total of 52 cents when you add federal taxes. I drive for business, something over 20,000 miles a year. Since I drive so much, I drive a reasonably efficient car, a Subaru wagon -- I get around 25mpg average. So 20,000 miles / 25 mpg * 52 cents/gallon = $416 fuel taxes. Does that really seem like enough to pay for my fair share of road maintenance, let alone improvements? It doesn't to me.
If I could be sure it would be spent on high-value road improvements rather than eye-candy projects for downtown Seattle, I'd wholeheartedly support a doubling of the gas tax tomorrow. Yes, it would cost me $416 a year, but how much time would it save me every year?
at 17:19 on May 8th, 2007
Ditto...ditto...ditto. Thanks for one of the best comments on NP I have seen lately. (Matt E - you too)
US has some of the *lowest* prices in the world for gas, further we have some of the lowest taxes for fuel. We should be paying a higher tax on gas to go towards road maintnence, and funding for research in alternitive energy sources.
Also, your point of current prices is dead on: gas today is reasonable -most people in the US just don't understand the concept of inflation. It's the same reason your morning coffee costs more today than it did 10 years ago (among other things).
Efforts would be much better spent driving less, taking public transportation or car pooling. Additionally (if possible) buying a more fuel efficient vehicle -for yourself and environmental reasons. The average person not needing to haul cargo or drive off-road that is getting less than 18mpg doesn't need to be protesting -because that makes them ignorant...and we should protest their ability to purchase a car -because that makes about as much sense as not buying gas for one day.
"Americans earn a lot more now than they did in the early 1980s, so
by some measures what people spend now on gas is only half of what is
used to be.
In 1980, the average American had to work 105
minutes to buy enough gas to drive the average car 100 miles, David
Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's, said in a study last
year. By 2006, the average American needed to work only 52 minutes,
thanks in part to better fuel efficiency but mostly due to higher wages." [CNN.com]
The question becomes: what is the real problem? Which leads to: what is a possible solution? High prices are always an issue with any product -but when you pay the least out of everyone in the world, how can you cry?
Overconsumption is a problem and the environmental impact is a problem. Which one do you want to attack? That's the question we should all be asking ourselves.
at 16:18 on May 8th, 2007
Those prices just mean you are catchingn up with the rest of the world where prices have been at thos levels for years.
To really make a difference, buy a smaller car for a start.
at 16:19 on May 8th, 2007
Good stuff! I like debates! :)
at 21:19 on May 10th, 2007
Higher Taxes going to research for alternative energy research? If my memory serves me right my taxes go every where than where they should go. My taxes last time I checked went to billion dollar subsidies for exxon's exploration of new target oil fields,meanwhile they are reaping record profits at my exspense.Big oil has fleets of lawyers to beat taxes in every concievable way while I foot the bill. My taxes go to fighting a war in Iraq for global domination of resources in the middle east. I have a one in 147 chance of being audited this year by the IRS. When was the last time you heard of ,Shell ,Exxon, or Texaco being audited by the IRS. When KBR or Halliburton is audited by an intergovernmental agency they get a slap on the hand and a fine.,and they're on their merry way.
Meanwhile the energy/auto/ oil conglomerate is spending untold amounts on pr and advertising convincing me that I need a huge gas guzzilin suv to be more of a man than my neighbor. I think it is uncomprimisingly 'pollyanna' to think that the 'corportocracy' is going to do anything that benefits anyone but themselves with our tax dollars. Remember that GW is the president (installed by a Republican Supreme court) of the "haves and have mores". Oil is running this country. If they can figure out a way to fuel a mechanized vehicle with human waste they'll develop a 'crapometer' that measures your waste and by governmental mandate have it installed on every household toilet so they can tax you on it . Were not too far away from having surveillance cameras on every corner ( see Great Britain) so remember...crap in your toilet... someone may be watching.
at 21:43 on May 10th, 2007
Case in point..
http://www.consumerfed.org/pdfs/Time_to_Change_the_Record_on_Oil_Policy080806.pdf
at 22:24 on May 10th, 2007
I live in Vancouver, Canada, where the news lately is on the possibility of regulating (capping?) gas prices. The argument is that gas/oil companies might be gouging, that statistics point to their highest profits ever. Profits. Them, making a profit, at our expense. The prices here are higher than in the rest of the country. That's one thing, the other thing is the aforementioned: realistic prices. As much as we complain about it, people drive anyway, and in a big city like this one, people get stuck in traffic an awful lot of the time. The provincial government's plan is to twin a major congestion "corner" (quite literally), a bridge. (It's to help commercial trucks get from the port to wherever.) Figures they'll think to the tip of their noses, because they won't be in parliament forever. The transportation minister, who works about 5 minutes from me and drives an SUV, did NOT consult transportation engineers. We would get by quite well with less cars if many other systems were properly in place: public transportation, mixed zoning in suburbs, and more people carpooling. (A third of our CO2 emissions here are from vehicles.) As much as we'd like to discourage people from driving, PERIOD, other systems need to be in place. Not helping the cause is the Dodge Ram SRT10, which is like a Viper in a truck's body. Are we really heading the right direction? The billions(?) of dollars that went into a defunct war on Iraq in the name of oil could have been spent on research and technology.
I also forgot to mention that according to a Norwegian friend of mine, the minimum wage there is $20/hr.
at 20:27 on May 14th, 2007
It's May 15th...you can buy gas today -I promise!
at 05:21 on May 15th, 2007
I'm a bit short today, can'ya spare a dime, or thirty one dimes for some gas?