I quite agree, Jordan. I set up Fornits forums around 7 years ago. In that time program critics have gone rounds with a whole lot of program proponants. It actually gets confusing at times. When you're arguing with people who are all, essentially, brainwashed the same way people to mistake one for another more often than you might expect in ordinary group discussion. Case in point; Some of my words that Paula quotes in her article were actually part of a rather unpleasant exchange with a woman named Anne Hall (I'm not making this up!) Sue is somewhat remarkable, if not nearly unique and not just for her aparent disinclination to learn from the mistakes of others! What sets Sue apart from most of the rest is her stellar success both at marketing the troubled parent industry to great personal financial profit but at suppressing critics. That's what makes her special to me. I <i>hate</i> bullies! (maybe for obvious reasons, who cares? lol)
Oh, I've seen the craziest things! It might be worth the readers' time to dig through all the muck and grime of the Elan forum and find the story about the girl who was burried alive. One of the eye witnesses who was much traumatized by the whole thing started getting phone calls from her former Elan counselor every time she logged on to post. It was friggen creepy! When DCHFans.org goes back up you'll see a whole lot of similar litigiousness and mean spirited bullying demonstrated by program proponents, most of whom never even met Sue Scheff. Back when we did that conference in Bethesda with Arnold Trebach, one of my friends did some cold calling to invite program survivors to it. Look at this remarkable letter she recieved, and responses to it, for her effort. http://trebach.org/letters/cavey/
These people always have been mean spirited, underhanded and about as lucid as Donald Rumsfeld. The trouble is, they're also litigious and their victims tend to be rather traumatized, in most cases. The program survivor or veteran or critic community (in other industries known as "past customers and employees") tend to be pretty easy to intimidate.
That's one reason why some of us clown around about it so damned much. Laugh at the devil AND demonstrate that yes you CAN say these things and not be struck by lightening. Litigation, maybe. But there's really nothing any of these people can do to me that's as bad as the kind of treatment that up to, what are the latest estimates? 100,000 teenagers and pre-teens are subject to on any given day in the American Gulag Archapilego that is the troubled parent industry.
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at 13:59 on August 15th, 2007
I quite agree, Jordan. I set up Fornits forums around 7 years ago. In that time program critics have gone rounds with a whole lot of program proponants. It actually gets confusing at times. When you're arguing with people who are all, essentially, brainwashed the same way people to mistake one for another more often than you might expect in ordinary group discussion. Case in point; Some of my words that Paula quotes in her article were actually part of a rather unpleasant exchange with a woman named Anne Hall (I'm not making this up!) Sue is somewhat remarkable, if not nearly unique and not just for her aparent disinclination to learn from the mistakes of others! What sets Sue apart from most of the rest is her stellar success both at marketing the troubled parent industry to great personal financial profit but at suppressing critics. That's what makes her special to me. I <i>hate</i> bullies! (maybe for obvious reasons, who cares? lol)
Oh, I've seen the craziest things! It might be worth the readers' time to dig through all the muck and grime of the Elan forum and find the story about the girl who was burried alive. One of the eye witnesses who was much traumatized by the whole thing started getting phone calls from her former Elan counselor every time she logged on to post. It was friggen creepy! When DCHFans.org goes back up you'll see a whole lot of similar litigiousness and mean spirited bullying demonstrated by program proponents, most of whom never even met Sue Scheff. Back when we did that conference in Bethesda with Arnold Trebach, one of my friends did some cold calling to invite program survivors to it. Look at this remarkable letter she recieved, and responses to it, for her effort. http://trebach.org/letters/cavey/
These people always have been mean spirited, underhanded and about as lucid as Donald Rumsfeld. The trouble is, they're also litigious and their victims tend to be rather traumatized, in most cases. The program survivor or veteran or critic community (in other industries known as "past customers and employees") tend to be pretty easy to intimidate.
That's one reason why some of us clown around about it so damned much. Laugh at the devil AND demonstrate that yes you CAN say these things and not be struck by lightening. Litigation, maybe. But there's really nothing any of these people can do to me that's as bad as the kind of treatment that up to, what are the latest estimates? 100,000 teenagers and pre-teens are subject to on any given day in the American Gulag Archapilego that is the troubled parent industry.
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