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Afghanistan: Fear of torture unfounded
Opinion
Barry Artiste, Now public Contributor
Though Amnesty International has it's place, perhaps they should be concentrating on the Taliban who do not recognize the Geneva Convention in their Terrorist activities, road bombs, using human shields etc. But no.
Amnesty Group and BC Liberties would rather harrass our troops, as a safe bet they won't be beheaded and raped by fellow Canadians versus the Taliban, whose methods in treating detainees like the above.
Rest assured Amnesty and BC Liberties groups when captured, scream bloody murder and cry for our troops to come rescue them out of harms way, once again as in recent events in the past year. This puts our troops lives in danger, with the Taliban knowing full well our troops will risk their lives to rescue civilian aid workers etc, much to the pleasure of the Taliban who will be counting on our troops humanitarian side, and wait to ambush our troops in the process.
My Final Thought
War and the Geneva convention have strict guidelines on prisoner treatment, though the Taliban are not recognized as a military organization, they are treated as such when it comes to respecting prisoners rights. Violations of a persons rights will result in tribunals which will charge both sides if a violation is discovered, as for the Taliban who are splintered do not have a cohesive leadership, hence finding those responsible is pretty much impossible.
What gives with these so-called "humanitarian" groups that seek to prevent our military from doing their job in Afghanistan?Never mind that Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan are fighting a war against the Taliban (the Vandoos, at the moment, to be replaced this winter by the Princess Pats -- again), and at the same time are rebuilding schools, giving aid and medical treatment, and trying to restore order and security.
For our home-grown "humanitarians," this apparently isn't enough.
Right now, a federal court is being asked to rule on an injunction forbidding the transfer of "detainees" (i.e. Taliban prisoners) to Afghan prisons for fear they may be tortured.
Not that prisoners are being tortured or abused, or will be tortured, but that they "may" be so abused.
What a bunch of horsefeathers!
In a sworn affidavit on behalf of the Harper government, Brig.-Gen. Andre Deschamps (chief of staff in Afghanistan, responsible for combat operations) says being forbidden to hand over prisoners could curtail the whole Canadian mission in Afghanistan.
Canada is not (one hopes) going to establish a Canadian-run prison camp in Afghanistan -- and thereby violate Afghan sovereignty.
Nor, as Deschamps warns, are Canadians likely to release combatants they capture, or release them on their bond that they'll be good chaps, or that Canadian soldiers will simply back off fighting and not indulge in combat operations that risk capturing prisoners.
No, an order not to turn captured enemy over to the Afghan control -- as Amnesty International Canada and the B.C. Civil Liberties Association advocate -- is likely to have a far more disastrous effect than the do-gooders expect.
In other wars, when there have been no arrangements for clearing prisoners, the result has often been that no prisoners are taken. Those who surrender are simply shot. Is this what humanitarian groups want -- thereby unleashing a scandal of a different sort?
Canadian soldiers, as a given, do not torture prisoners. Yes, it can happen, and did happen in Somalia -- and look at the fuss that resulted.
Eventually, the government shut down the Somalia inquiry before it determined who was responsible for the torture-murder of Shidane Arone.
In Afghanistan, Canadians already carry out inspections of prisons where Taliban fighters they've captured are incawrcerated. These prisons are not like federal prisons in Canada. The Afghan tradition is rougher than our customs. So what? Again, it's their country and our troops, NATO and U.S. troops are there to provide security and order for the Afghan people, not to administer welfare or social services to the Taliban (or al-Qaida) who seek to impose a theocratic, oppressive dictatorship as they once did.
Giving humanitarian busy-bodies the benefit of doubt and assuming their intentions are well-intended, the reality is that if the courts okay their injunction the very people they seek to help will be more vulnerable.
If they want a western-style prison in Afghanistan, let them pressure the UN to establish one -- a pathetic cure-all for captured Taliban extremists, but par for the course for those with soft hearts and softer heads.
Don't expect Canadian soldiers to run such a foolish facility. How Taliban prisoners who've been killing Canadians in open battle or by roadside bombs are being treated is a low priority for most Canadians.
And forget about Geneva Conventions -- which don't (or shouldn't) apply to an enemy that ignores or rejects them.
Our guys may kill those trying to kill them, but we don't torture them. Nor does our military encourage torture. Period. That's good enough for most of us who support our troops and their Afghan mission, which steadily is being won.







Most RecentMost Recommended Comments (2)
at 14:40 on December 21st, 2007
this is chaos. no the truth about jihad extremists is that they believe themselves superior.
once we lower-class primates are extinct, they are "rewarded" for their heroic action, including "human bombs" etc.
their written teachings can be laid out giving command to extremist action, and they do not know human rights of present time.
OK respect to the prophete Allah. i understand, that for instance mekka is a holy place for muslim people.
but same good, descendants of ancient egypt could reinstall the old system, and demand tribute from inferior races. OK we know that these views are archaic, ancient.
but just saying, what they can do, other tribes could do with the same "god" given right. it is just not economic, and what happens in Afghanistan, is that they grow poison.
We should understand why some of us want to inject this poision, and are willing to pay such high prices to it. It is not effective to bomb out Afghanistan. not at all.
But, if they claim, there would be no motivation for hash farmers etc, to give up this dope, and do something else; "we" (western countries) should give them some motivation.
it is sometimes said the intention counts. but about the terror, 9/11, drugs from these countries, also the results count. if more police, more tanks, more troops are ineffective, then stop this strategy. maybe they just want us (the USA) to "warmonger"!
personally i am liberal person, Kim Jong Il is OK (sort of), but if i see these pictures of beard men (egypts hated beards), guns, poppy fields, and children, then i think this must be helped. maybe countries should team up more internationally, so they do not have customers anymore.
The iran government writes "provocative", "indecent music". OK i agree we have some bad lyrics. but i read "they do not have motivation to grow different things". THIS IS SORT OF SNOBBY. i think there are many ideas how it could be helped. OK i understand, iran is not afghanistan. they are just neighbours.
your article is welcome.
and the bad thing of torture is that it inserts pain, and then they need more drugs at another end, to narcotize that pain. something makes me think, they are big warmongers. if there is war, they can even sell more of their morphine. someone tell them that is antique, not required anymore. OK they have 1% internet penetration, only their upper class. they are the ones giving statements "the motivation to grow something else is low".
at 17:13 on December 21st, 2007
Meanwhile their culture is being destroyed by the Taliban who take great pleasure in destroying Afghans culture, not to mention their mass desecration of Afghan antiquities as the Taliban feel these icons of antiquity are an affront to Islam. (Source; National Geographic) . The taliban it seems wants Afghanistan to go back to Time "Zero", much like the North Vietnamese tried to do to it's citizens during the Vietnam war, massacring the educated and even the literate.
Thanks Nike for the commentary