Netherlands Immigrants to undergo Value Assessments

by Barry ORegan | January 7, 2008 at 04:09 pm
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Barry Artiste, Now Public Contributor

MacLean's Magazine featured an article on Immigration and the Liberal country
of the Netherlands implementing a Value Assessment for newcomers who wish to
make the Netherlands their home. This Value Assessment is taking by immigrants
before they leave their homeland so as not to give immigrants "Culture Shock"
once they land in the world of Free Love, Lax Marijuana and Hashish Laws,
Separation of Church and State, Women's Rights not to mention Gay rights and
Nude Beaches, and Women's dress which some may find offensive. All of these
basic rights of most western cultures were hard fought and won in the 1960's and
1970's Free Love and Gay Rights and Feminism Movement. Once Immigrants take this
test, Immigration Authorities determine if would be newcomers will assimilate
and not be offended by such liberal laws mandated by the people of the adopted
country and put into their Charter of Rights by the Political entities voted in
to enact them.

Netherlands implemented Value Assessments, has other Countries considering
the same Value Assessments. If this is good enough for a country (Netherlands)
with strong left wing and/or liberal ties, perhaps Canada should consider the
same avenue. For some with recent memories may remember the tiny hamlet of
Herouxville, Quebec, where Town Councillor Andre Drouin and the Citizens saw a
eroding of Canadian and Quebec Culture and Rights and drafted a Town Charter
requesting the Quebec and Canadian Government propose drafting a similar "Value
Assessment" for newcomers, only to suffer the slings and arrows of Political
Parties and Special Interest Groups labelling them Racist, for protecting the
basic rights we all fought to protect, such as Gay Rights, Women's Rights,
Separation of Church and State, Language and Canadian Culture amongst other
fought hard freedoms Herouxville felt may be in jeopardy if Canada's Culture,
Charter of Rights and Freedoms continued to go by the wayside in the quest for
Politicians accommodating everyone, yet appeasing no one.

My, My, certainly Karma is coming to bite us in the ass, when other Western
Countries start to follow Liberal Netherlands lead and Canada as usual is way
behind the times in protecting what little identity we have left. Cultures who
do not wish a separation of Church and State are most likely to be the most
offended, looking at past and present developments of these Countries ruled
solely by religion speaks volumes of what their society has become and what
these religious cultures do to others who do not see eye to eye with their
religious philosophy. Canada already do not see "eye to eye" with this religious
philosophy, as our "Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms" states it matter of
fact thereby causing concern for those who unwittingly may think otherwise while
on their way to our shores and society.

 


The radicalism at our doors

Pakistani extremism is a threat to us. Why is Immigration so ill-designed to handle it?

ADNAN R. KHAN | August 27, 2007 |

In the aftermath of the recent violence at Pakistan's Red Mosque, questions have been raised in the Pakistani media that are relevant for Canadians. It's easy enough to say the events that played out over nine days in July, pitting Pakistan's security forces against radical Islamists in the heart of Islamabad, the Pakistani capital, are someone else's problem. It happened a world away, most Canadians are likely to think.

But the issues the conflict raises shrinks that distance considerably: radicalism in Pakistan is spreading fast, and along with it, hatred for the West. One of the sources of that hatred, most regional observers agree, is NATO's involvement in Afghanistan and Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf's strategic decision to support the invasion. Canada is a major contributor to NATO, fighting a protracted war in Afghanistan's Kandahar province, the birthplace of the Taliban. The fact that it's not simply radicalization, but "Talibanization" that many Pakistani observers are talking about, should be especially worrying to Canadians. With Pakistan providing an average of 13,000 immigrants to Canada every year, how much of that ideology is being imported into Canadian cities?

It's a difficult, and deeply controversial, question to answer, but one Canadians should be asking. Canada's immigration policy has been under attack almost consistently since Sept. 11, 2001. The central question is if the process does enough to protect Canadians against those who would bring them harm. "Security screening is very important to the Canadian government," says Marina Wilson, spokesperson for Citizenship and Immigration Canada. "We've had overall success with our immigrant experience. The vast majority want to live by the rules and the small number who don't would face the law."

Canada does have a profiling system that flags certain potential immigrants as security risks, from Russian mafiosos to Islamic fundamentalists; applications submitted by such individuals are much more closely scrutinized. But the danger, according to a growing number of governments worldwide, is broader: the world views that immigrants import with them, their attitudes toward fundamental values of Western societies, pose a greater future risk to society than any single violent individual. To stop these ideologies at the border, rather than give them a chance to enter a country and spread, is something many governments are struggling to do.

The Dutch have introduced a values testing system in their immigration process, requiring all non-Western potential applicants to go through a values test before their application is even considered. Despite criticism from human rights groups, authorities have defended the process, arguing that the intention is to weed out the small percentage of people who would not be able to adjust to Western society and, in the worst case scenario, turn into homegrown security risks.

The impact a small number of people can have on a society is significant in an era when radical ideologies represent a key threat to global stability. People such as Farhat Hashmi and Aly Hindy, fundamentalist religious leaders living in the Toronto area, represent this new age of ideological conflict. Their radical views have found support in Canada, especially among disaffected youth.

Immigration reformists have argued that Canadian immigration policy's obsession with catering to business and economic interests, as well as its cultural hypersensitivity, ignore the realities of the 21st century; policy must change to meet the times. "The other side of the debate has been stifled," says Dan Murray, founder of Immigration Watch Canada, an organization that advocates tighter restrictions on the number of immigrants allowed to enter the country. "Multiculturalism has become another form of psychological terrorism. It's another ideology that has silenced people who may have another point of view." What's lost, adds Murray, is the ability of Canadians to express what matters to them. Social values, for example, rank as one of the highest priorities for Canadians in the post-9/11 age. Yet the application process for immigration from Pakistan does not take into consideration a person's value system.

The British government, by far the world's highest recipient of Pakistani immigrants, is considering a values screening process, faced as it is not only with a rash of terrorist attacks linked to Pakistan, but also with a steady stream of honour crimes that have their roots in rural Pakistani culture. Thankfully, Canada has been largely spared the U.K. experience. But for how long? Incidences of Canadians acting on imported ideas, acquired via the Internet or via ideological middlemen spreading an anti-Western message, are becoming more frequent: the June 2006 arrest of 17 men, including five youths, accused of a terrorist plot, is just one example. How were these young men radicalized? The evidence points to elements within Canadian society, people outside the moderate majority, indoctrinating youth in closed sessions.

A recent British survey of religious Muslim leaders should raise some eyebrows in Canada. That report, released in July, revealed that 92 per cent of imams preaching and teaching in U.K. mosques were born outside Britain, and a significant majority educated in Pakistan's madrasas. Many preach only in Urdu, Pakistan's national language. With Musharraf now admitting the greatest threat to his nation is the meteoric rise in radical ideology taught in its religious institutions, the difficult question to be asked is why Ottawa hasn't responded to this crucial reality.

The difficulty, according to Lorne Waldman, an immigration lawyer in Toronto whose clients include Maher Arar, is that acting against ideas goes against the grain of Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms. "Anything that appears to screen potential immigrants out based on beliefs," Waldman says, "would go against the Charter. Besides, if you're testing people for their beliefs, what kinds of questions are you going to ask them? Do you believe in honour crimes?"

Others disagree. "I have no doubt that those opposed to such screening would invoke the Charter," says Martin Collacott, a former Canadian ambassador and senior fellow at the Fraser Institute who has written on security issues relating to immigration. "I am not convinced, however, that they would succeed. If someone who applied to come to Canada admitted to being a supporter of terrorism, for example, I think it is unlikely that the Charter would force us to let them in."

Where Collacott and Waldman agree is in the practicality of a screening process: how do you accurately rate a person's inner, often secretive, beliefs? Instead, Waldman believes potential newcomers need to be educated about the values of Canadian society before they arrive in Canada. "Where immigration policy has failed," he says, "is in preparing people who come from a culture where their values clash with our own. That's where we could be doing more." One possible track, he suggests, is requiring people to go to a course on Canadian values before they emigrate.

The difficulty, though, lies in confronting a world view that may be so deeply entrenched that a few classes on the Canadian Way would do little to change it. "For this reason," says Collacott, "I've suggested that we should have the right to remove individuals who had sworn to abide by our values and had subsequently become involved in activities that were seriously in conflict with these values -- such as terrorism."

But deporting immigrants, especially refugee claimants, is a drawn-out process, taking years and costing taxpayers millions. Streamlining that process, opponents of immigration reform say, could penalize the legitimate immigrants who make up the vast majority of people seeking a better life in Canada. Critics of the current policy aren't buying that argument. Individuals who promote violence and hatred are often easy to pinpoint. The problem, says Collacott, is a lack of political will to do something about them. And the longer they're allowed to preach intolerance, the bigger the threat they pose.

That is precisely what happened at the Red Mosque in Islamabad, where radical preachers were left alone for years to teach a violent and unbending form of Islam. During the height of the standoff, the leader of the uprising, Maulana Abdul Aziz, was quoted as saying about his young students that he had "put jihad in their hearts." After the conflict ended, many students who survived the final assault told the media they were willing to die alongside the "heroes" who fought against the government, contradicting official accounts that they were being held against their will. The Pakistani media was deeply concerned by those attitudes. The Canadian government should also be worried.


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DoctorOk

Thank you for the post BarryArtiste.

I totally agree that Canada should deploy a Value Assessment program to protect what we hold dear and to weed out the undesirables.

Before we begin testing those anti-liberal, anti-secular, anti-gay Muslims, perhaps we should start with our very own Government. The Tories, I mean Reformers, I mean Tories, are the most anti-liberal, anti-secular, anti-gay collective we have. I doubt that they would pass our very own Canadian Value Assessment.

It's better to start cleaning house from within, before we let other undesirables join the party.

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Barry ORegan

Thanks for the comment, I hear ya, on our government cleaning house, though I think the Conservatives will always take the lesser of the two evils, leaving the Gays alone, while fighting for the Rights of Christiandome. Islamists Zealots bent on hate abhor our Canadian Charter of
Rights and Freedoms aand have stated so publicly in Canada and the Media, with their dying wish to convert all Canadians to Islam.  Currently past, present and
future, the only certain religious Imam entities (Islam) is waging wars the world over in
countries trying to establish their dominance of Islam.  Dont believe me? Check
it out on Google.  Then check out how many Catholics, Presbyterians, Mormons or
Jehovah Witnesses, or even Hara Krishnas  for that matter waging holy wars and
invading other countries.  You will only find Islamist Zealots waging wars
against others including their own Muslim brothers who Islamists feel are not as
strict in adhering to Islam. My readers on Now Public need to know, though all
true Muslims are Islamic followers, many Muslims do not follow and are
embarrassed and some are fighting with Canadians against these Islamic Imams bent on
world dominance and ethnic cleansing of other religions. To those Muslims who value our Rights and Freedoms and Canadian way of life, we are most certainly grateful to have them as Canadians

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at 04:32 on January 8th, 2008

Barry Artiste, very, very good stuff. Yes, Canada and the U.S. should, frankly "weed out" immigrants. At one point, I considered moving to Canada for at least a couple of years. I was very impressed when I saw that I would have to prove that I could take care of myself financially and contribute.

The U.S. needs to lock down its borders and its immigration policies. This is so not PC to say, but we need to carefully screen  for anti-Democractic and religious repressive views.

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infomatique

Netherlands implemented Value Assessments, has other Countries considering
the same Value Assessments. If this is good enough for a country (Netherlands)
with strong left wing and/or liberal ties, perhaps Canada should consider the
same avenue.


To answer the question ... I do believe that the UK has considered some form of  "Value Assessment" but I do not know if they have progressed the idea.


 


 

BigT
BigT
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at 11:24 on January 8th, 2008

I think that if Western nations want to retain most of their culture they need to think about implementing policies such as value assessments. My only problem with this specific policy is with how it would work. Obviously, jihadists can lie their way through a simple "Are you a terrorist?" test.

Perhaps, as the article from macleans mentions, coupling a comprehensive test on what the immigrant believes and a course (before they enter Canada) on Canadian life would be a good way to go.

What I am certain about is that there is a problem that is slowly, but surely, growing in the West. We don't have to only worry about the sleeper cells and the Islamist camps that dot North America and Europe but we have to worry about the overall radicalization of Islamic communities (which tend to group together, like most immigrant groups do).

Unfortunately, Barry, the cat may already be out of the bag concerning radical Islamic immigration. We need to do whatever we can to prevent our enemies from penetrating our borders but we also have to be aware of the fact that many have already arrived.

We have radical Imams preaching the destruction of the decadent West, we have massive riots, we have men blowing themselves up in buses so as to kill as many non-believers as possible. Immigrants who wish our citizens harm is just one symptom of a much greater disease afflicting the West.

It seems like every solution being bandied about today regarding the dark underbelly of immigration and every other societal ill is defensive in nature. Immigration, in particular, seems to be a debate about whether or not illegal immigrants (in the US) should be deported. In the West, in general, immigration is about what should be done with the immigrants who do not assimilate well and fail to make a life for themselves.

What Barry has has brought to our attention to is a good offensive move that could hopefully prevent immigrants from moving to the West who wouldn't fit well with their adoptive culture.

And don't even start with the racist rants I'm sure a bunch of you multiculturalists are thinking of right now. Screening immigrants through a value assessment system isn't only valuable because it would prevent terrorists and other radical individuals from immigrating into the West (Canada in this instance) but it would be beneficial for immigrants as well.

Moving into a new culture might very well be the most difficult thing a person goes through during their life. Unless they have contacts in the country they are moving to (and even if they do have these contacts) they really don't know what they are getting themselves into.

Let me illustrate my point with an example I've read about. During the Cold War Soviet defectors obviously wanted to leave the USSR. But that did not prepare them for their new life in the West. Many were never happy and some of them even committed suicide because the culture shock was just too great.

Making potential immigrants take a value assessment test and putting them through a class about the culture they are entering will be beneficial for the immigrants because it gives them a taste of what their new life would be like. Oh, and it would protect all us citizens and immigrants from the crazies that wish us harm. 

Good Stuff Barry! 

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Barry ORegan

Thanks everyone for the comments.

Currently the Canadian Government is going through the process of upgrading all embassies against terrorist attacks. Which countries will have the most terrorist resistant embassies? Well let's take Rocket Science to a new level and guess shall we?

Embassy Visa officers, through experience, when administrating these Value Assessments, are pretty sharp at picking out scammers, though they miss some, Imams who preach destruction of the west can be easily weeded out.   We have some in Canada who outright stated destruction of the US and Britian on national friggin TV, to me that is grounds for instant jail (Hate Crime) or immediate Deportation.  No appeals, not second chances, for some reason we can easily deport White Supremists immediatley, yet Religious Imams get relatively a slap on the wrist for hate or anti cultural diatribes, with a disclaimer after that Canadians merely misinterpreted his words due to a quaint cultural misunderstanding. I am referring to one Canadian Imam President of the Canadian Islamic Council Dr.Mohamed Elmasry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OTfacRDBJo.

Oh and Please go to my previous story May 12, 2007 whereby noted Journalist were outraged by Elmasry's comments on Live TV. Wake Up Canada, either use it (Protect your Rights) or Lose them !!

What needs to be done is Muslims, and there are many Muslim Canadians in Canada, who are fed up with Imams preaching Hate, should enmasse kick out these Imams, thus taking away the Imams platform to spread hate.  I guarantee you if the Roman Catholic Pope or Bishops (in Canada or USA) started preaching death and destruction of Muslims and Islam or Jews, Mormons, Buddhists or any other religion, Catholics and Christians alike would rise up and open a can of "Biblical Whup Ass" against the Roman Cathoic Archdiocese, because clearly we would feel they lost their Goddamn Mind in this day and age, In short the world has evolved, Western Society has evolved in regards to religion, why not Islam.  It is time for Muslims to stand up to these Twits and Stop it Now! They are giving a bad name to peaceful Muslims. 

In regards to those who scam (whichever country or religion they come from) to get into our country to spread hate or commit crimes, well once caught deport the criminal and the entire family.  That, and only that will keep those in check by families who will monitor and discipline family members if the entire families deportation from this wonderful country is at stake. Our countries such as Switzerland do it, and other countries will soon follow

http://www.nowpublic.com/has_multiculturism_gone_too_far

Again, thanks everyone for your comments. 

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SOLARLIFE

Fight of the Civilizations 


2008     6 bn people on the planet
2050   10 bn people on the planet
SELFREGULATION OF POPULATION LIKE IN CHINA
SHOULD BE A PROPOSAL FOR EMERGING COUNTRIES


2008 Subprime crisis: Asia-Dubai replaces NY
must see the interdepandance with "new world rich"
France tries now the economic development of
NorthAfrica, Worldbank starts Water program
and Solar lighting program to fight poverty,
Without Aid the climate change, no food, water
will dramatically increase the choice for Europe
if not a infrastructure program will allow people
to stay in their country. Western classic global
society seems not to be competitive with
clanish societies and non regulated
petro dollar societies.

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