Another Hearing For Stacey Barker Murder Case

by katfish | September 26, 2009 at 06:31 pm

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UPDATE October16 -

The hearing on October 6 th was very short. A few things we learned was that another hearing was set for October 26. The judge said this date is 20 of 60. It was also noted the state is still in discovery.

For Tori's "in the courtroom" report see comment at 08:14 on October 7th, 2009. I didn't carry the whole entry over here because very little actually dealt with matters directly related to the case, but I will provide the link because Tori always has a humorous take on what she sees in the courtroom:

http://my.nowpublic.com/culture/judge-rules-stacey-barker-will-go-trial-murder-emma?page=7

original entry:

This entry is an update on the Stacey Marie Barker murder case out of Lancaster, CA.. Stacey Barker is a 24 year old woman from Lancaster accused of suffocating her 18 month old daughter, Emma Leigh Barker, to death on March 18, 2009.

Stacey Barker initially told police Emma was abducted from her car in the parking lot of a Lancaster, CA park as they prepared to leave. She claimed she was knocked out by the kidnapper and woke up six hours later, several miles away at the Palmdale Park-n-Ride. Detectives said Barker had injuries consistent with a struggle, including bruises on her head and was taken to the hospital for treatment.

Authorities say Barker later admitted making up the abduction story and inflicting the wounds on herself. She said the little girl died accidentally, but the fear of being blamed caused her to panic and leave the girl's body near the freeway. Barker led police to Emma’s body 12 hours later, dumped in a grassy lot near the Golden State Freeway in Sylmar, CA.

On April 27 Barker was arrested and the charges filed against the young mother include murder, assault on a child causing death and child abuse. The complaint alleges that Barker willfully caused and permitted the child to be injured and harmed and that injury resulted in death.

After a two-day preliminary hearing, Judge Carlos A. Chung ruled on July 27 that he found probable cause to hold Stacey Barker over for trial in the murder of Emma. On August 10, Barker formally pled Not Guilty to all counts. She is being housed in the Century Regional Detention Facility in the city of Lynwood on $1 million bail.

For complete details from earlier coverage and links to media coverage click here.

A pre-trial hearing was held on September 9 at the Antelope Valley Courthouse with Judge Hayden Zackey presiding. Deputy District Attorney (DDA) S. Kelly Cromer represented the people and Stacey Barker was represented by Public Defender (PD), Roberto F. Dager. The details in this report on the hearing will come from postings by Tori and friends, Anurse and TheGoodTwin (TGT). They were kind enough to attend the hearing and share some details with us. While there wasn’t a lot accomplished in SB’s hearing it was a remarkable day in court for the girls.

This courtroom has 3 sections, in the middle there are 5 rows of about 10 seats behind the Attorneys and Defendants table and then 4 rows of 5 seats in each row on the sides. The bailiff will not let ANYONE sit in the front row of the middle section, those seats have to remain empty at all times. For some reason this is the rule in all the courtrooms at this courthouse, most likely because from the middle front row you are in touching distance of the attorneys and defendants.

Today the only people in court “for” Stacey Barker aka ”Smother Mother” seem to be her grandparents and boyfriend Brendan (BB). They are seated in the middle section in the second row, we were on the right side of the courtroom behind them, there is just a 2 foot aisle between the rows of seats so all they had to do was look to the right and they could see us. For some reason the grandparents seemed to look at us a lot, you could even say they were staring. We don’t know if they know who we are but it doesn’t matter, it was not us who did something wrong. Brendan kept fidgeting in his seat and playing with his hands, like he was checking to see if they were smelly. Which reminds me….

The judge had several cases ahead of SB, one of the people was a guy who sat right in front of us. He smelled so bad , we were about to lose it….nurse kept putting scented lotion on her hands and fanning to cover the smell. Maybe Brendan thought it was him that smelled when in fact it was this guy (nicknamed pig pen)...or his fingers smelled better than the aroma pig pen was putting off and he was trying to rid his nose of the odor…who knows… at any rate, if you should ever find yourself in this predicament, Tori learned from Sara on CSI that if you smile, it suppresses the gag reflex.

When SB was brought into the courtroom she had her hair pulled back in the front and the yellow jailhouse garb. She had makeup on and didn’t look as though she was in any type of distress today . SB barely acknowledged her grandparents. She gave a half smirk/smile to her boyfriend and flung that I don’t give a flying rats @ss attitude at TGT when she saw her. (They do know each other)

When it was SB’s turn the PD asked the judge to speak with him ex parte, He said something about some appointments. ( ex parte refers to motions, hearings or orders granted on the request of and for the benefit of one party only.) The courtroom was then cleared, the PD said it was ok for SB’s family to stay, but they left the courtroom too.

As we were leaving the courtroom there was a woman that sounded mad at the bailiff as she loudly complained, ”They said this was open to the public and now they kick us out.”

The girls nicknamed this lady “Braids“ or “Mystery Lady 2“. (If you have followed Tori’s prior courtroom reports, there is a Mystery Lady1 who didn’t attend today) Tori said Braids looked to be in her late 70‘s or early 80‘s. Of course her hair was gray, and she had about 50 small braids pinned up (like pinwheels) around her head, but it was very messy and looks like she doesn‘t take them down very often. Not surprising she was dressed like an old lady with a mid knee skirt, long socks, an “old lady“ shirt with a sweater. Tori wrote down the conversation she had with Braids in the hallway outside of the courtroom, so here that is…..

Because she was taking notes, I flat out asked her who she was reporting for? She told me that she had ulterior motives for sitting in on the trials. Then she asked was that Stacey Barker sitting there? She did not know SB and asked who was her family? She said something about her neighborhood.... and her son's middle name was Hayden, same as the Judges name...she was talking gibberish so I have no idea why she is there....even after talking with her! I know you are all scratching your heads reading this part….well, that is how we all felt after speaking with her...I wrote it just the way she said it. She was so loud in the courtroom but in the hall I struggled to hear her … maybe I wasn't paying attention because I was looking at her braids the whole time....LOL
(The girls commented about another defendant that they nicknamed Devil Dude. The following is what one of the girls wrote about this guy. I included the information about him, Pig Pen, and Braids so you would get a feel for the vibe at the courthouse, it is definitely not a pleasant place)

Devil dude was a very creepy guy covered in tattoos ( I love tattoos) but they were all over his bald head, on his face all over his hands and arms, he had a very evil look to him, his eyes were seriously creepy...He was brought in to the courtroom after we were all asked to clear the room...He was all shackled up, he had the handcuffs, the chain around his waist, and the bracelets around his ankles...There were I think like 3 or 4 guards in the room....I don’t know what he did, but as we were allowed back in the courtroom, he looked at everyone in the eyes, like he was getting a image of us in his head...He was just creepy, we all had shivers when he looked at us...

When we went back on the record in the courtroom Judge Zackey told the PD, Roberto Dager, that he needed to make all the reports available to the DDA, Kelly Cromer, before the next court date which is October 6.

The Judge then asked SB if the October date was ok with her and her reply blew me away…she said, “yeah, I’m not going anywhere”. Her tone sounded very sarcastic. She may have just been trying to be funny, but if so it didn’t work because the Judge told her, “I know that, but I have to ask you anyway because it has to do with the time and your right to a speedy trial.” He sounded sarcastic too. My impression of him is he is a cool judge. He has a certain manner, like it takes a lot to make him mad, not a jerk like some judges.. He is someone who I think would be a nice guy outside of court too.

So the date was set for her to come back and set a trial date for sometime within 60 days of the October 6 hearing. Court was recessed.

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LCoastMom

at 12:20 on September 29th, 2009

Great Update Kat

Glad to see you back!!

I get the feeling the Judge will not find anything the smother mother has to say amusing.

He knows why she is in his court room, he may even know all the facts we're impatiently waiting to hear. He is not impressed with her attempts at humor, because every time he sees the b!tch, he sees that precious baby. She's lying dead on the side of the road, where she was placed by s m after she accidentally left her hand clapped across her little nose and mouth for 3 or 4 minutes.

He's not forgetting a single thing that was done to precious Angel, Emma. And he won't forget who was responsible.

Syn-OG1

at 13:13 on September 28th, 2009

Thanks for the update Kat!

Once again you have done a wonderful job of presenting this story.

I'm glad to hear that Judge Zackey was not amused by sb's snide remark. He probably sees that she doesn't appear very remorseful, and along with her sarcastic demeanor, doesn't bode too well with him.

tori a

at 19:03 on October 11th, 2009

Thanks Kat.

I know the other blog is going to go down soon and we will have a home here for at least another 3 months...good call thinking ahead...

the good twin

at 13:32 on October 12th, 2009

I was going to suggest staring a new page I see Katfish was one step ahead..thanks Katfish...

katfish

at 10:04 on October 16th, 2009

Hey peeps.

I put a link over on the other entry to this page. Hope that helps!

kat

Syn-OG1

at 20:16 on October 17th, 2009

Thanks Kat!

I know it wont be long before the other thread is cut off. I hope that some of the new comers know where to go.

I think I'll go and post that over there- just in case.

Are you still having warm weather- or have you been hit with some of those cold storms?

Take care! TTYL :-)

ANurse

at 23:16 on October 27th, 2009

well, just as we planned they shut down our 2nd thread!

Thanks Kat for keeping this going again.

Tori, you were the last one to comment before they closed it, it was a great end.

So here we are...chapter 3...let us remember a few months ago in court...Tori was there...she reported about the testimony the female detective provided (her name is drawing a blank)...she described in detail a part of sb's interigation where sb stated baby emma was fighting with her hands to get sb's hands off of her mouth...what part of that is a peek a boo game or an accidental "suffercation"!!!

ANurse

at 23:43 on October 27th, 2009

also as i stated towards the end of our last thread...sb partied it up big time after emma's death (murder)...not the kind of party where you drink your sorrows away, cry like it is the end of the world while comiserating with others...NOOOO...she partied it up like she was celebrating!!!

Sooo!...my point?...temporary insanit my ass!!!...WTF...so, she was temporarily insane when she killed emma...and then quickly snapped out of it to go party for a month...dancing, drinking, laughing, posting sexual semi nude pics on my space...just to name a few!!!...GIVE ME A FRICKEN BREAK!!!...

LCoastMom

at 08:59 on October 28th, 2009

Nurse you nailed it. No one can stand up and say we all grieve differently, don't criticize SB for grieving by hanging with her friends for support. Her friends were the ones who were so completely shocked by her behavior!

Her friends are the ones who grieved for Emma! Her friends are the ones who have written over and over that SB showed not a care in the world and how they were first shocked and then sickened by her behavior. She had such a precious gift. She had a little angel who loved her and needed her. How in hell could she toss her angel away??

Besides the little angel she was given, she had the love and support of her whole family. How many young, single moms have so much? How many very young, pregnant girls are tossed out on the street? I know I've seen plenty. And instead of being grateful or thankful for these additional gifts she was handed, SB had the nerve to say to LASD she got rid of Emma so she didn't grow into a burden! She really had her nerve to take the love of her family, then throw it in their face!

Most people only dream about angels. SB held one in her arms, and then threw her away, like yesterdays garbage. There is no doubt in my mind, GOD and all the angels in heaven cried that day.

tori a

at 09:46 on October 28th, 2009

Ok LC...you got the tears for Emma flowing again! Damn I hate to cry!!!

Nurse, yup you said everything that all of us were thinking! *Det Nava* ; )

True, LC people do mourn different but not like that....

I wonder why the rest of the family has not been in court? is it that they can't go for the reason that they might be called to testify or have they stopped supporting her?

I feel that there is going to be a twist to the case that we have not really touched on...we will wait and see for that one...a few of you know what I am talking about.

I PM'D some of you as to what I feel the PD wants from the DA...Interesting!

TGT where are you?

So the story goes on..........we will be there to tell it....

Syn-OG1

at 13:27 on October 28th, 2009

Ditto- Ditto- Ditto!!!

Yep- sb's actions the day of Emma's death, and after she led L.E. to Emma's body and was released- thinking she had gotten away with her crime, that LE believed her "accidental suffocation story"- she then went about her life by going out and partying it up, and socializing on myspace, is not the actions of a grief-stricken mother. I don't think many people ..."we all have different ways of grieving"...show their grief that way! I sure hope that no one "grieves" in that manner. To me that is not showing grief- but more like relief- as echoed by the above posts.

After awhile, when sb either started to realize- or was told that her actions (lack of actions- showing remorse or grief) didn't present her in a very good light- she then changed her myspace profile, and most likely her r/l persona.

In my opinion- I still believe that she's depressed and appears unwell- is because of being in jail, and the serious nature of the charges she is facing, could very well have her locked away for a very long time!

The regulars here are all on the same page- so I will speculate and say that the general public is too- and they will be the ones on the jury. If this case goes to trial- and after hearing all the evidence and arguments from both sides- they will reach a fair and impartial conclusion.

katfish

at 15:38 on October 28th, 2009

There was a case, you may have heard of it. The Cynthia Sommer (sp) case. Cynthia's husband died and the coroner ruled the cause of death was arsenic poisoning. Cynthia stood trial and during trial it came out that her behavior was very very bad after his death....got a boob job, tattoos, and a string of wild sex escapades. Cynthia was convicted in short order.....here is the clincher.....last year the defense had remaining tissue tested for appeal and there was no arsenic found. CS was released from jail and I believe the charges were dropped. This case became a defense attorney's dream case.....Jose Baez has already cited this case in defense of Casey Anthony's behavior after her daughter went missing. (Of course in her case they also have to explain why she didn't report Caylee missing until forced to do so a month later by her mom.) I wish I could remember the name they tagged on this type of "grieving" but no doubt we will also hear about that case here in the Barker case. #$%%#@@$##!!! mark my words. This has been a much publicized case out of Ca. no doubt Dagger already has it up his sleeve......doesn't mean it will work.

tori a

at 17:37 on October 28th, 2009

Kat.

Neither Cynthia or Caylee ever admitted to Killing anyone, they maintain they are Innocent, and felt they did nothing wrong to be put under a microscope about their night life... I do remember the Cynthia case and I do think she was Guilty I had watched it on courtside sometime back, she had a pissy I don't give a s**t attitude in the courtroom, she was self absorbed and I do not think she loved the husband any longer, wasn't he really strict with her? that is why she did all the things she did. Caylee is just a ho' that no longer wanted to have a baby anymore and wanted to party...I think that Dr.'s just made up a name for the lifestyle after the deaths of close loved one, these foolish people just didn't give a damn for human life.

I don't think people here will buy that, we are still a small town and don't overlook that kind of thing easily, Dagger can try but I doubt it will work in the AV.

tori a

at 07:10 on October 29th, 2009

Sorry I mean Casey Anthony, Not caylee....

katfish

at 14:28 on October 29th, 2009

Tori a I knew what you meant. I don't know if Cynthia S. killed her husband, I'm pretty convinced Casey killed Caylee.....we'll see what comes out in court. The one thing I'm sure of....they are both Ho (s). The term is Ugly Coping. I had to look it up, it was bugging me. I have a feeling both CS and CA were ugly coping (or acting like ho's ) long before they had anything to grieve about.

Amber says Stacey wasn't partying......not that I think she is lying....but did she know everything about Stacey's life. I hope Amber is right because it is definately UGLY to think of someone partying right after their child's death, regardless of the cause of death. If BB did encourage her to hit the bars, well....I hope it was just poor judgement and not attention seeking on his part, it seems he could have taken her somewhere more subdued or less "festive" than a bar. If this was just a one time thing, it probably won't affect her case much, "if " being the operative word . We'll see what comes out in court.

Syn, this will post above your post because I replyed to Tori, but your comparison between Stacey and Casey was spot on, although I'm still not certain that Stacey planned to kill Emma. Casey may have had a plan for some time check out this link I came across:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5395519/Info-on-a-Zenaida-My-Space-Created-by-Casey-Anthony

This presents an interesting theory.

LCoastMom

at 14:02 on October 30th, 2009

Kat, I love the work 1 Hooha wife and new mommy did. She was a L&D nurse who became a lawyer and hated lawyering. She was preggers and on bed rest for a good part of the early Caylee madness.

She did an amazing job on the phone records and cell tower pings. The very beginning of her posts pn the Zany post surprised me. I thought we had found KC was on the family pc on 6/16, and the laptop too.

When Hooah baby was a couple months old Hoohah daddy went to Iraq, leaving Hoohah mom with time on her hands. She uncovered a ton of interesting info.

katfish

at 11:53 on October 31st, 2009

Wow LCM, you looked into that further than I did. I need to go back there. Thanks for sharing. The amount of info out there on the web is amazing. Certainly makes it harder to create a "legend" aka "new identity with history" than the good ole days pre www.

LCoastMom

at 13:42 on November 1st, 2009

~~~~~~~I know... I'm scary huh?!!!!!~~~~~~~

LOL!!! I'm sorry, I didn't look into her story I posted with her!! We both joined WS at the same time!! LOL!!

I just wanted everyone to know she knows her stuff, she is a really smart woman who tore apart KC's lies and left them in shreds!!! If she found and put something "out there" you can trust that she turned it upside down and inside out first!! LOL

Thanks for the giggle!! And if you want to spread the rumor that I see all, I'll find all and you can run but you can't hide from me!! That's OK too!! LOL!!!

Syn-OG1

at 17:56 on October 28th, 2009

Yes I heard of that case of the young Marine who suddenly died. I still feel that she is guilty as hell.

I don't know what caused the remaining tissue to show no levels of arsenic. I don't feel that the first tests were rigged. Hopefully some time in the near future there will be an explanation for those discrepancies in the past and latest findings.

He was only 23 years old and supposed to be in tip-top shape when he suddenly collapsed and died. She had probably been poisoning prior to that, which could explain how he had been sick and throwing up a week or so before he died.

I know that there are cases of young athletes who all of a sudden collapse and die- but they do find out -that with the strain they put on their hearts with such rigorous physical demands- it put too much of a strain on their hearts- and their heart defects are revealed during an autopsy- showing the cause.

I never heard that young Marine's autopsy showed any typed of health problem- which would then clear his guilty wife. She's just one of many who somehow manage to get off because of a technicality and legal wrangle!

Claus Von Buluw is another example of a guilty perp who murdered is heiress wife Sunny, and was found guilty, then later he was acquitted! He is guilty as can be! They tried to say in his appeals trial that there wasn't evidence of an insulin overdose- which was later refuted.

Could that type of "grieving" be tagged "pseudo histrionics" ;-)

Syn-OG1

at 18:10 on October 28th, 2009

Psst- Toria- :-)

Casey is the Orlando "tot killer"- Caylee was the baby daughter and the victim. I know it's confusing with all those "C" names. Also the Orlando "baby killer momster" has a name similar to the AV suffercator.

Casey Marie Anthony age 24 and Stacey Marie Barker age 24. Both had beautiful baby girls- were single mothers- lived at home- had great family support with Grandparents and Uncle/Uncles who doted on the baby's. They enjoyed the party lifestyle- and boyfriends. Their daughters appeared to be very well cared for and loved by these momsters too.

Yes, most of the facts about that Sommer witch are true- however- she was older than her 23 year old Marine husband, and already had 3 children by another. He was not strict or bossy to her, she wore the pants in that family. ;-)

Amber B (not verified)

at 19:34 on October 28th, 2009

Hello Everyone.... I hope I find that everyone is well now and over all the sickness. I was reading the recent things that were wrote about SB's Pics that were posted on her Myspace... I just wanna clear a few things up. Well as you ladies know I dont agree with what "may" have happened...(innocent until proven guilty) but I see that you guys are talking about the modeling pics that she put on her myspace. SB may have made some bad decisions towards the end of Emmas life but the pictures that SB took that you all call "trashy" were taken years before Emma was conveiced... She was proud of her body at that time, she had every right to be she was a single young female. She didnt have pictures on there that made her a bad mother...But I can see where you guys see it from your side.. Another one is everyone saying that they saw SB out partying after the discovery of Emmas body. Was she out of the house?? Yes! Was she partying? IN NO WAY was she partying... She didnt want to go out but BB thought it was best for her to get out of the house. A good friend of mine was there (someone who is on your guys side about SB) who told me that SB was there when she didnt want to be and looked as though she had not eaten in weeks... even saw her in the bathroom balling within the 10 min that SB was there... SB then went home with out BB. So yes she was seen at a bar but in NO way and I mean NO WAY was she partying... She in no way went on living her life like everyone said she did... Shes been falling apart more and more everyday and there isnt one day that goes by where she doesnt cry and wishes that day never happened. I know that the decisions made that day whether it was murder or whether it was an accident and out of fear, dropped Emmas body off... It was wrong, decetfull, careless, and heartless. She wasnt the slutty whoreish person Im sure you all wish she was... It would make more sense that way... But she wasnt... I promise you that. She was a quiet, shy, self concious young female... I promise im not sticking up for her because I am just as pissed as you all are, but I would want someone to shed a light on the general public that I am not a horrible person if my life was ever put into the news... Sorry if any of this irritated any of you...Have a wonderful day and night everyone!!

tori a

at 19:32 on October 29th, 2009

Amber,

Thanks for answering that question, BUT there have been more then a handful of SB'S peers that say she was seen out at the bars...not just one. we will see how that plays out in court, if anyone goes on the stand and confirms her state for the month after Emma died.

We did stick up for you when ABHATER said all the mean, nasty things about you, what we said to them, that was for real! we do not think you are the things she/he said you are so we told them what we thought about them and their remarks.

I am not upset in anyway that you still have SB'S back and want everyone to know what you think and know about the party stuff...she is your friend and we/I have different views of the things we /I have been told and somewhere in the middle is the truth.

I am in no way saying you are lying either but you found out some ugly things that you had not know about until the prelim and were shocked to say the least.

BB wants her to go out to a bar after her child has died? what was he thinking? if he had thought about it, he would have thought that was not such a good Idea...going to a club to be with your friends and BF days after your child has died is unthinkable....she should have been curled up in bed crying her eyes out! It was not like one of her friends died and she neededs to be cheered up....why did she let him talk her into that? that shows that she was in his control! he told her to do something she knew didn't feel right but did it anyway? I really don't understand.....I was in bed for a month crying like a baby, NO ONE could get me to even go to the market!!! I made it out of bed for 2 days that month and it was for the funeral and the wake and that's all.....

I have never said she was a HO she did somethings that did not look good, like the pictures, sure it is ok for her to be proud of her body and have pictures done but once she put them on MYSPACE she was just putting herself out there for anyone to see. the only work she could have gotten with that kind of pictures is in Men's Magazines , as they were not head shots for acting or dancing jobs.

I saw you did some pictures and they were in good taste, fully dressed in a outdoor setting and they were not plastered on your MS like you needed to show off and have people you don't even know comment on them. I feel she needed some sort of attention that is why she put the pictures up, but that is just my opinion.
A mother in mourning would have taken the pictures in question down from MS in respect for her daughter and all the people that wanted to pay tribute to Emma on her MS and put up more pictures of her sweet Emma in family situations or just got rid of MS altogether that same week so no one would have anything negative to say about the content, as her page was not private. When ever anything bad happens to someone, MS is the first place people go to see that persons profile if they have one and judge them on what the contents are....

I think Dagger is grasping at straws with what he want to bring up....Kat, sorry I did not feel well today and court is closed tomorrow so I will go on Monday if I am feeling better and get that stuff.... OK ttyl T.

katfish

at 11:49 on October 30th, 2009

Tori- Hope you are feeling better! Don't worry about going to the courthouse unless you feel like it,especially if you aren't comfortable doing so, ok. ;).

What's up with these LA courts anyway, closed on Friday??? LOL I had to go sit for 3 hours today at the sentencing hearing for Nicholas Sheley's jailhouse attack on the gaurds. Had to listen to Sheley's Public Defender go on and on about reasons why his client should be granted a new trial and when that didn't work go on and on about mitigating circumstances for a lighter sentence.....his kids need him. pfft! A guy sitting next to me said," This guy (pd) belongs in Hollywood". If I would have been thinking I could have said ...no way....they don't have court on Fridays. jk lol

Sheley received 7 years on 3 counts and a year each on the other 2.....to be served concurrently. That means he will serve 7 years instead of 23 if it was consecutive. Actually 14 is the most he could have been sentenced to by statute because all of the counts occurred in 1 transaction. Oh well, by the time he stands trial for the 8 people he killed he will never see the outside again in this lifetime.

LCoastMom

at 01:17 on November 1st, 2009

"What's up with these LA courts anyway, closed on Friday??? LOL I would have been thinking I could have said ...no way....they don't have court on Fridays. jk lol "

Whaatt... Your governator has a balanced budget?? See, if your governor was a cheesy grade B movie star he would rerun a program that didn't work the first time 20 years ago too!!! We can always thank him for trying, he'll SAY WE DID ANY WAYS!!!

Court Closures
Due to the unprecedented statewide fiscal crisis, the Supreme Court of California, the Courts of Appeal, and all superior courts will be closed the third Wednesday of every month, beginning September ....

(I believe this was the original notice.)

Pursuant to Executive Order S-13-09, the Department of Health Care
Services will be closed the first, second and third Friday of each month
from Oct, 2009 til July 10, 2010

Pursuant to the Governor's Executive Order S-13-09, beginning in August 2009, the Medical Board of California will be closed the first, second, and third Friday of each month until July 1, 2010.

Pursuant to the Governor's Executive Order S-13-09, beginning in August 2009 all DCA offices will be closed the first, second, and third Friday of each month until July 1, 2010.

From August 2009 through June 2010, offices of weights and measures will be closed on the first, second and third Friday of each month.

Pursuant to the Governor's Executive Order S-13-09, all CDFA (California Department of Food and Agriculture) offices will be closed on the first, second, and third Friday of each month from August 2009 through June 2010. All border protection stations will remain open and continue to operate on furlough days.

CDCR Asks Crime Victims to Register for New Automated Database to Keep them Better Informed about their OffendersThis is: we can't make offenders register so we'll register the victims!!
CDCR Sends Layoff Letters to 1,443 Employees 09/23/09
Say bye-bye to getting treatment in jail!!

badboobee

at 07:14 on November 1st, 2009

Aha! Yep, we freeway dwellers call it furlough Friday - easy traffic!

Syn-OG1

at 21:37 on October 28th, 2009

Thank you for sharing that info with us Amber. I'm glad that you cleared some things up. I agree with what Katfish said about how you can come on here- and respect our feelings toward your BF- as we do the same for you- and you put that aside and still comment here in a respectable manner- seeing both sides, You have also seen how we all had your back when who ever the hell it was- made those comments about you. I think that shows that we don't say bad things about others until it's warranted.

SB is very lucky to have such a loyal friend as you. By now, I'm sure she knows it. That's how you can tell a true friend by when "the chips are down"- as the saying goes.

I know the saying goes "Innocent until proven guilty"...but in reality it works out to be "Guilty until proven innocent" That's how it appears to me. Those who are arrested and placed in custody before their trial- are locked up because of either circumstantial evidence, confessions, or witnesses, that place them with the crime that they are charged with. Now...to be proven innocent- the person who has been charged with, and appears to be guilty of said crime- goes to trial before a Judge and Jury, who will decide if that person is guilty or innocent ,after weighing in all the evidence for and against the one charged with the crime. That person, and their PD or ATT. has to prove their innocence before they are handed down a lighter sentence, or else released from custody. That's another reason why you hear cases in which an innocent person was finally released from Prison- after DNA, or other facts have cleared them, showing that person to be innocent. It may not be fair- but that's how it seems to work- in my opinion.

I also think that was a bad call on BB's part to think it was best for sb to go out- and to a public bar- wasn't too good of an idea!- That is my opinion- and it's a pretty good one at that- look at the repercussions BB's lack of good judgement caused. I could see if he wanted to take her some place nice and quite so she could get out of the house and away from the memories- but to even suggest- or think a mother who lost her child should want to go out in public, or partying, just doesn't add up in my book.

I wonder if sb would be as loyal as a friend for you- as you are for her? I don't mean under such dire circumstances as her's are- but let's say that things were going really bad for you- and everyone had turned against you- for good reason-;-)- I wonder if she would have your back 100%. If you are 100% sure of that- then you have your answer.

P.S. I'm not bashing BB- just stating my opinion that what he thought was a good idea- wasn't so good after all.

Goodnight to all. :-)

katfish

at 11:55 on October 31st, 2009

Hey Syn, Remind me not to have you on my jury if I'm ever charged with a crime. LOL just kidding.....that's never going to happen anyway.....although my dh is on coumadin and bled all over the bathroom one day from a pinprick....I swear it was shooting out. As I cleaned the bathroom I told him, if you ever disappear I'm screwed, they will think I "offed" you.

the good twin

at 21:11 on October 29th, 2009

Hi all....

Sorry I have been MIA, I have been busy getting my sons Tae Kwon Do Black Belt Testing Book ready, its alot of work....

Iam glad we already had this thread open, since we knew the end was near...I wanted to comment on stuff.

Thanks for all my bday wishes, you are all the best...

TORI I love you and think you and Ang are just the best, Thank You....

Nurse, Ditto, I think you are awesome. Love you to..

Katfish mt fellow Libra, we will always be sisters..

Amber, I understand that you are here and want to help us understand SB actions in the days leading up to Emma's death, and the days after, and I appreciate it...I also appreciate that you allow us to have our opinion... I cant even imagine how hard this is on you, and I think that you have handled your self very well....I also understand that there are things that you may want to tell us, or comment on and are unable to, I respect that, and I hope soon we will all have the anwsers that we are looking for...I know that no matter what the out come is we are all in aggreance on our love for Emma, even though not all of us met that BEAUTIFUL, SWEET PRECIOUS CHILD....

PatrickStar, if you happen to find your way here, Welcome...I want to say though that we have never faulted BB for saying he did not want a ready made family, I respect him for that , what we mean when we mention that is we feel that was a motive for SB to do what she did,,,The reason we talk about his mannerisms and hygeinge is because he makes it very hard not to talk about it....I will not say anymore on him, because we already told you what we see....

I hope all is well with everyone...

tori a

at 22:02 on October 29th, 2009

I want to touch on the Innocent until proven guilty subject...

SB made statements to the Detectives that she was guilty, whether it be of murder or neglect causing a child's death, she told them what happened. guilty adds up to guilty no matter what the PD is going to try to do, she admitted it!

Does it make her Innocent if it was a accident? No

She gave Emma the purse with the baggie in it, she saw it in EMMA'S mouth and did she pull over and take it out before she suffocated... no, every mother that has a small child on the back seat, checks on them, like looking back to see if they are OK or asleep in general just to see what they are doing and in the slow traffic SB said she was in she had more time then most people to look back and check Emma.

It takes 4 to 5 mins for a child to suffocate, if Emma had the baggie in her mouth and was choking on it she would have been thrashing around, struggling for breath and would have caused a commotion, she would just not have been quiet about it (symptoms taken from a medical journal) why did SB not hear her doing this and stop the car to help her?

Her PD did not question Det. Nava on what she said SB said about the Peek a Boo game with the blanket...or about SB saying that Emma struggled and grabbed at SB'S arms while she held the blanket and her hand over her face until Emma's arms fell and she went limp and SB knew at the time she was dead?

If this was not true, why would SB make up a story for the Detectives like that? that is not just something you say off the top of your head.

Dagger is her PD and his job is to get her off the hook and make her look innocent in anyway he can, the tapes are going to play a major part in the trial if they are admitted into evidence.

I am quite sure he has told her that what she did and said in the LE interview was not good and now he has to do some damage control... he has also told her that he is going to say she was deceived into saying what she did by LE. He surly will not let her take the stand, so no one will ever know everything or the reason for it.

I think he is going to go for the original story that it was a accident and he has told SB to also stick to that story, but that accident theory can be picked apart by the DA....

Have a great sleep all see ya tomorrow...T