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"Anti-Muslim" Article in Maclean's Fosters Hatred: Canadian Islamic leaders
Barry Artiste, Now Public Contributor
Canadian Islamic Congress - president Mohamed Elmasry of Ottawa we all remember in 2006 who said on National TV on the Michael Coren Show that Western women (whose dress and makeup) are pieces of meat, who deserve to be raped by Muslim men, opened a can of worms the world over, Muslims, Men and Women as well as all religions and the public, including the Media were stunned by his statement and further inflamed many by also stating it is okay to kill israeli children in the Islamic Jihad.
Certainly a turn about face when a BC Human Rights Commission rears it's Ugly Head and throws out "Free Speech" when Elmasry, whose Free Speech on National TV is okay, yet when a Magazine mentions anything Muslim. Though Elmasry touted both Islam and Muslim as a World Ideology and Peoples to be a force to be reckoned with as a world growing population. MacLeans perhaps showed the side of Muslims unfairly. Muslims, not Elmasry, should counter the MacLeans article and open dialogue refuting it or agreeing, that is their right as Canadians, not the BC Human Rights Commission.
The Big Brother is BC Human Rights Commission, is an "USELESS Coffee Clatch " of an organization in which the Commission will tell British Columbian's what to think and say, write, print and act in their daily lives.
There is noting wrong in promoting one's culture and flourishing, but not at the expense of eradicating another culture. Of course as Dr. Elmasry stated in the media more times than I would like to remember, his ambition is to convert the entire World to Islam "Whatever it Takes"!
George Orwell was right when he stated "Big Brother" is watching you, Big Brother's best ally is " Dr. Elmasry.
VANCOUVER - A B.C. human rights commission hearing room became the battle ground Monday for a fight between Canadian Islamic leaders who say their community has been painted as a threat to Western society and a Canadian magazine that says it will defend freedom of the press.
Two prominent Muslim leaders have demanded Maclean's magazine give them an opportunity to respond to an October 2006 article they call "flagrantly anti-Muslim."
The complaint was filed with B.C.'s Human Rights Tribunal by two members of the Canadian Islamic Congress - president Mohamed Elmasry of Ottawa and B.C. congress director Naiyer Habib - on behalf of B.C. Muslims.
The complaint stems from the article by columnist Mark Steyn, titled "The future belongs to Islam."
Below is the Story in MacLeans which started it all.
The future belongs to Islam
The
Muslim world has youth, numbers and global ambitions. The West is
growing old and enfeebled, and lacks the will to rebuff those who would
supplant it. It's the end of the world as we've known it. An excerpt
from 'America Alone'.
MARK STEYN | Oct 20, 2006
MARK STEYN
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Sept. 11, 2001, was not "the day everything changed," but the day
that revealed how much had already changed. On Sept. 10, how many
journalists had the Council of American-Islamic Relations or the
Canadian Islamic Congress or the Muslim Council of Britain in their
Rolodexes? If you'd said that whether something does or does not cause
offence to Muslims would be the early 21st century's principal
political dynamic in Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, Belgium, France
and the United Kingdom, most folks would have thought you were crazy.
Yet on that Tuesday morning the top of the iceberg bobbed up and
toppled the Twin Towers.
http://www.macleans.ca/culture/books/article.jsp?content=20061023_134898_134898
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Barry Artiste
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Most RecentMost Recommended Comments (9)
at 05:21 on June 3rd, 2008
good story, Barry, but needs a little more clarification.
at 06:24 on June 3rd, 2008
Thanks for the comments and the Flag Rene, what more clarification does this story need? I thought it speaks for itself?
at 07:51 on June 3rd, 2008
Barry Artiste, I like this story. It's good stuff.
I'm so tired of having Muslims who hate us move in regardless, and then use our freedoms to spew venom, demand that "their" culture--including "honor" killings of young girls be given differing status--and in general, demand that they take over existing cultures while benefiting from what those cultures have achieved.
at 14:24 on June 3rd, 2008
well, I guess according to moonwolf, we should all just lay down and let the muslims run all over us. 'dune-coon'? whose being racist now? never heard that one before. C'mon, moonwolf, you are showing your intolerance. and don't pretend you are justified, you are flamin' not.
And it looks like the muslims don't like to see us realize than they are running all over us, or for anyone to try to wake us up to that fact. There is a lot to that story they are objecting to, Barry. and what is happening is terrifying. I don't look forward to being forced to wear a head-to-foot black bag in the heat of summer and the Gulf Coast. I feel very sorry for the poor women of Arabia who are forced to wear a black bag every time they go out into the heat of that desert.
The only reason those clerics say that about women who don't wear head-to-foot bags is to terrify women and force them to concede and to justify the thugs they send out to rape young girls and women. Isn't that terrorism? They keep their women practically imprisoned and terrorized, forcing them to have many babies, and have more wives to do that too.
Seems to me, the only hate is on the muslims' side, they say it over and over. They hate us and yet they want to live in our country. I guess they plan to take it over. What was that WWII term? 'Fifth Column.' Oh, America, please don't wake up till we got control of your country and the rest of the world. And believe it or not, moonie, you live in it too, the culture, that is. So stop trying to bully everyone into your way of non-thinking,
at 15:34 on June 3rd, 2008
Barry Artiste, I like this story. It's good stuff.
And since moonwolf threw down the gauntlet with PEP and asked her or any of us "racists" (basically anyone who doesn't agree with moonwolf) to relate a story we've had with Muslims; I will give two current ones.
Firstly, during my freshman year of college I became friends with an engineering student. We had kept in contact until last year when we had lunch. The reason I no longer correspond with him is because I left our lunch a little disturbed by what he said.
He went into this whole speech about how the Jews are bad, capitalism is horrible, and the American government was responsible for 9/11. The only difference I could think of between the friend I knew back during my freshman year and the stranger I had lunch with last year was that he had gone back home to Dubai. The things he said were shocking.
My other story really isn't my own but rather my father's. A coworker of his, a Muslim woman, recently took a trip with her husband back to Saudi Arabia. According to my father she is a brilliant woman who is very independent. But guess what, the second she got into Saudi Arabia, she was automatically relegated to being a second class citizen.
When she went to order at a restaurant's counter no one would respond to her because women weren't suppose to order food. Her husband would have had to go up to the counter to order the food.
I respect this woman immensely because she has had to deal directly with segregation. And this type of segregation is endemic with many Arab cultures. Women are second class citizens, "freedom" is a bad word, tolerance isn't heard of.
When Barry, PEP, me, or anyone else talks out against Arab culture this is what we're talking about. We don't care what skin color a particular person has.
My last point is that I truly think that moonwolf is a racist. My reason for believing this is because he has routinely dehumanized anyone of color. He plainly makes it clear that, in this case, Muslims cannot be responsible for things they say because of the society they live in. In moonwolf's mind, Muslims have no free will and are defined by the will of their white masters.
I am serious about this moonwolf. I consider you as more than just an acquaintance or some online sparring partner. But when you cannot find any fault in someone who calls for the killing of every Jew over 18 years of age just because of the color of his skin, you have crossed a line.
at 00:58 on June 4th, 2008
Thanks for this Big T, though Skeeter (Moon) may have to read it a second or third time for it to sink in.
at 00:53 on June 4th, 2008
Thanks everyone for your comments, and differing viewpoints. Though the article points out Muslims, it should have read more zealots who subscribe to the letter of Islam.
Islam in itself is as close to our Bible, and just as ruthless, yet for Western Civilization, we have evolved as a people and certainly do not subscribe to the letter of the Bible, for if we did, we would be a bunch of Suicide Bombing Catholics as well. All who believe in Islam are Muslims, but not all Muslims, like Catholics of Jews subscribe to the letter of the Book.
Catholics were told not to use Birth Control by the Pope, we disregarded that, but still considered ourselves Catholic. I am certain the Macleans article is one portraying the downside of religious cultures of which Muslims are a part of, just as we are part of a Judeo Christian culture.
Religions are all ideologies, not a race or culture, so using the human rights commission to accuse someone of racism on an ideology, certainly shows as a Politically Correct society how "Stupid" the BC Human Rights Commission is lying on their pale white LEFTY belly for any cause.
Communism, Socialism, Veganism are all ideologies, so is Monster Truck Racing, all have their views on what is their Ideal recreation or belief, if I wrote a piece on Communist Socialist Vegan Monster Truck followers, would Vegan Monster Truck Followers take me to Human Rights court? I doubt it, and if they did, do you seriously think and court would take the case, of course not. Granted this is a humourous vein, but Ideologies are just that, an idea that a group of people who form an opinion of what they like and dislike about their group or community. It is never a racism, it is not even a culture. You cannot be born a Monster Truck Driving Vegan, no more can you be born a Muslim or Jew. You have to be indoctrinated into the ideology. If someone said Roman Catholics are evil, I would not disagree, some are I am sure, and some are not. Same as Islamists! There was a time when it was said Communism was evil, to some it was, to others it was not. It turned for the worse when Stalin made you a communist whether you liked it or not, if not, you were dead!
The same with religion, it's an ideology, sometimes hurtful to others, sometimes benevolent, sometimes fatal. It is only the person whose cultural beliefs (Ideology) who take their religious (Ideology) leanings to the extreme and cause to death of others. That, I take seriously ,as a dark age religion that needs to conform to todays society and norms. Western Society fought long and hard for rights, rights which are against not only Islam, but Christian society as well.
It is just that Christian Society do not try and kill a Gay person, or a woman for driving a car or having individual thought. Islam has a hierarchy believe it or not, I read a Islamic journal,(Yes, I do read books there, Skeeter) where as Islamists state that Somalia Islamists are not very intelligent. In fact not as intelligent as Middle Eastern Islamists. Now certainly if Maclean wrote on this story, there would be an uproar of racism. Wrong!, they state Somalians who are Islamists are not very intelligent, perhaps just in the understanding and culture of Islam. Though when I read further, I could see they were saying people who are African Muslim Islamists in Britain are not as successful as their middle eastern brothers and sisters in the British School system and their African Brothers and Sisters need a lot of extra special education. The British Muslim Council go on to say post secondary school is something that the African Muslims will find hard to achieve due to their inability to do well in school. Boy, imagine say that about the Dutch, American or the Chinese, I betcha there would be hell to pay.
So there are degrees of racism even within Islam, there are also differing views of ideology, which is okay, as long as you do not try and force your ideology on others to the point of wiping them out as a race of people.
How many stories do we read about Islamic countries blowing up their own people in marketplaces over ideology. It is only guilt by association that the media paint all Muslims and tie them to radical Islam.
Just as the IRA in Ireland were blowing up people, not all Catholics were bomb making nutjobs
To me, Radical Islam which preaches conformity or death is an ideology that has no place in todays society, and that I am sure my friend Moon can agree with.
at 01:10 on June 4th, 2008
Sir Charles James Napier (August 10, 1782 – August 29, 1853) was a British
general and Commander-in-Chief in India. The city of Napier, New Zealand, is
named after him. He is famous for conquering Sindh province now in present-day
Pakistan (Muslim).
A quote for which Napier is famous involves a delegation of Hindu locals
approaching him and complaining about prohibition of Sati, often referred to at
the time as suttee, by British authorities. This was the custom of burning
widows alive on the funeral pyres of their husbands. The exact wording of his
response varies somewhat in different reports, but the following version
captures its essence:
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a
custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we
hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a
gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
at 15:38 on June 4th, 2008
Well Moon, you certainly have your Opinion, May I quote your diatribe against BigT, you said and I quote Moons says "But, for the sake of discussion, staying with the premise you make
let's assume that it is accurate: Was the woman a US citizen? Knowing
how it would be in Saudi Arabia, and it is no secret, especially to
those married to Saudis, how it is in that country, why would she go
there? If she was such a cool, independent, brilliant woman why did
she marry a Saudi, go there, and then stay there? Could she not have
made other choices? Does she not bear responsibility for her choices?"
You pretty much stated it perfectly Moon, and for that I give you credit. Now I will cut and past the above exactly and put it into words Big T, Rene, Myself and Rene are trying to get across to you, then and only then will you see your hypocrisy, then you can compare what you stated above and check the "replacement name" in (parenthesis) I have inserted into your above paragraph.
Here goes,
But, for the sake of discussion , staying with the premise you (Moon) make
let's assume that it is accurate: (Are) the (Immigrants Canadian citizens?) Knowing
how (Western Culture) would be in (Canada), and it is no secret, especially to
those married to (Canadians), how it is in (this) country, why would (Immigrants come here?) If (Immigrants) such, cool, independent, brilliant (Men and Women Immigrants) why did
(or would) they marry a (Canadian), go there, and then stay there? Could (Immigrants) have
made other choices? Do (Immigrants) not bear responsibility for (their) choices?
This may explain western culture to those who wish to try and change it
to their own liking. Certainly they should have known we like our way
of life, and so should they, since they fled to come here, so obviously
they knew and liked Canada and the US. Otherwise they would have gone
elsewhere besides here.
Hope this explains your Ideology, now that you know it works both ways, not just yours, cause you my friend are clearly in the minority. Both here and I am sure with your New Bestest friends whoever they may be.
Just remember, the paragraph above are your words and theory, not mine, I just took out the country of "Saudi Arabia" and put in Canada, and replaced "she" with Immigrants.
Again, I state, when in Rome, you are Roman, don't change our culture, if we were living in your country, we would not change your culture to suit our culture and beliefs, we would assimilate.