Big Test of Astrology and Spirituality on 6th Nov 2012
Astrology under test again. As the The Day of US election is coming to a close show. All the astrologers who have predicted the fate of Obama or Romney are having nail biting time for next 48 hours.
When we contacted the Astrologers we have mixed feels some where too definite some were to tensed and some are having hip hops on emission.
We contacted the popular Astrology Club E-Magazine and Social Net site to know there feels we got a complete different picture. They are busy with next course of issue not even worrying about the out come as they told "It is going to Mr. President Barack Obama,we are sure", they also commented that they are expecting a Thanks note from Mr. President and his Fan as they have revealed the result to the world 3 months back. Obama 288-313 with majority in electoral college seats.
But what they told us that they are replying to a opinion made against astrology by a person in another site saying against their view and the issue is like below:
This article is in response to the feedback of a member www.speakingtree.com against
our article in Sep 2012 issue on Extramarital Affairs. His comment was as below:
"Feedback on Oct 28, 2012 at 06:15 am
Human mind is controlled by human himself or herself. Astrology is successful predicting future up to certain degree, however the control always stays on the person's hand. The over emphasis of stars and charts is just there to glorify Astrology. Somebody would change their destiny just holding few stones? its completely nonsensical. Somebody could consult an Astrologer just for curiosity to know about the future,but following the Astrologer's advice to change the course of future is stupidity. Somebody goes for extra marital affair when there are reasons, nothing happen in this world without reasons. The stories of hiding relationship with some other woman could not be proved just seeing somebody's chart.
In some cases when a woman is more than ready to offer "Sex" its not easy for a Man to ignore that temptation. He could ignore this temptation only when he reaches to his spiritual higher self. If he still would not have left his lower self in that scenario, the Man would have fallen in genuine love with that woman to fulfill her demand and tried to bring happiness in her life by pure friendship. But that might not had been the right path to choose. The key is learning the lesson, the intelligent man learns through his experiences.
"Tomorrow is always fresh, with no mistakes in it."
-- Lucy Maud Montgomery
We thought we must argue with his comment for constrictive and improvement manner not just to retaliate a comment. Our moto is to prove treasures of Astrology.
We put our views as counter argument as below:
Thanks for your reply. Are you an expert of Astrology or even studied the same? I am asking this to know what makes you understand that the subject can only tell your future. Who knows what is hidden in timeline only after we have reached that spot we can know. But past has already happened and astrology can tell your past as well. So consult with real good expert and ask them something of past which you know on your own; if they can tell you correctly then only go further for future predictions. Otherwise every chance is the analysis he is doing is having some error in calculation or the birth data of yours is not correct.
If you want to disagree you are right under freedom of expression. But let us have a discussion and see where our views agree and disagree.
Ayurveda is not a medicine only modern drugs can cure that were the popular believed of our time say 30 years back. Even Brown Sugar and Heroine was a popular Drug for sleep; But now world consider them as most powerful poison to have.
Now a day’s western world is investing heavily on Ayurveda and natural healing substances for lower side effect. Fast Foods are called as Junk Food.
If you want to prove a subject wrong you are more than welcome but if you want to prove it wrong prove it with its own rules. Like a mathematical problem can be solved or argued best with mathematics only. Mare perception is not the way to say a 5000 years old subject as wrong.
Don't you think it is the time to kill the cat and make a firm decision by analysis whether Astrology is real subject or just fantasy for few. Supreme Court of India calls it a science.
Problem is we have 90% or more non experts’ claims to be expert and based on their skills or lack of skills people are commenting on the subject matter itself. When doctor fails no one can blame the medical science but when astrologer fails everyone blames Astrology.
Do you think in 1900 or before Genetics developed as a subject people used to curse wife for baby girl delivery but we all know it is the father's Y chromosome which decides our sex not mother's; But still we through our wife out for delivery of Girl Child; Shame on us.
We kills our girls as we all want boy if everyone does this in this world soon no womb will be left to carry the boy. Still we do this and some medically trained person helps the criminals to do this.
So I would request if you have any doubts on Astrology refer to the magazine July 2012 & Sep 2012 issue you will see that their team has pin pointed the win of Mr. Pranab Mukherjee as our president at the time when Trinamul Congress , Mulayam Singh’s SP etc. they were planning to Vote for other person. But they had predicted correctly "Even those opposing will vote for him" and that happens to be true.
Now see Sep 2012 issue of www.astromindsclub.com about president election of USA. They indicated about some last minute development (We can relate to Storm Sandy) will lead to Obama's chances more to re-elect as president. They also indicated that 288-313 seats will be for Obama and see the opinion poll in NY times today it is 299 seats.
So I only want to say which I cannot understand how it is functioning that is impossible is not the right approach of life. You may be losing opportunity to see beyond the obvious. And that makes a difference between visionary and a common man.
One popular argument against astrology is that many people born at the same time same location why all do not have same quality? Reason being they may be born in the same hospital but not exact LAT & Long even a difference of 1/1000 sec will have change in your Dasha, Mahadasha , Pratyantar Dasha, LOT SUB LOT when do a deep stick analysis etc.
Like same father and mother can have multiple babies but they will have some similar set of Genes as well as some not so similar set of Gene. If you can do a PCR or RTPCR or Gel Electrophoresis test you can see the DNA strands or oligo nucleotide or RNA,mRNA,tRNA are having difference. Even identical twins have different figure prints.
Now coming back to your argument if a lady opens her up all men’s will have their pants down except those who are enlightened minds are not true. People with certain Planet combinations will have their pants down, some will have to use bathroom some will enjoy the seen without the act and some will fetch the cloths back to her to make her understand you cannot purchase me some do not have the price tag. This is true for some ladies also and vice versa.
Luck + Act will make the future according to Indian mythology we have come to this world with due and accumulation of our previous life. So along with present life some part of act will be due to our past life. These philosophies are too deep to understand by commoner, so let’s not invade that space.
If you want real experts and research scholar advice you can reach firstname.lastname@example.org and have discussion on the forums. In today’s world everything can be written in Java or Dot Net with SQL and Cloud in back end. But remember abacus was the one of 1st machine which has led to this new gen computer Greeks or for that matter any subject.
Please do not take this as counter arguments to show who is right or who is wrong. I was just trying to make a point clear. We must be knowledgeable enough to make decision on any expert system.
“Astrology and all these mystical things are generally signs of a weak mind; therefore as soon as they are becoming prominent in our minds, we should see a physician, take good food, and rest.” ― Swami Vivekananda
You have taken reference of Swami Vivekanada I guess it is from this link http://www.vivekananda.org/quotes.aspx if I am wrong, please excuse. But do you really know in what context Swamiji told this. Intent was to advice men do your job sincerely and honestly if it is written in your fate you have to open the door of fortune with the key of your dedication honest hard work and perseverance. Without trying do not expect things will fall in places.
You have also mentioned "Tomorrow is always fresh, with no mistakes in it." -- Lucy Maud Montgomery
May be taken from
Which is again needs to be understood with deep realization.
Who was L.M. Montgomery, was a Canadian author best known for a series of novels beginning with Anne of Green Gables, published in 1908. Anne of Green Gables was an immediate success. The central character, Anne, an orphaned girl, made Montgomery famous in her lifetime and gave her an international following. The first novel was followed by a series of sequels with Anne as the central character. Montgomery went on to publish 20 novels as well as 500 short stories and poems. Because many of the novels were set on Prince Edward Island, Canada and the Canadian province became literary landmarks. She was awarded Officer of the Order of the British Empire in 1935.
Selected part of Anne of Green Gables by L.M. Montgomery
Anne Shirley: My life is a perfect graveyard of buried hopes. That's a sentence I read once and I say it over to comfort myself in these times that try the soul.
Anne Shirley: This is the most tragical thing that has ever happened to me.
Aunt Josephine: Make a little room in your plans for romance again, Anne, girl. All the degrees and scholarships in the world can't make up for the lack of it.
Mrs. Cadbury: Tell me, what you know about yourself.
Anne Shirley: Well, it really isn't worth telling, Mrs. Cadbury... but if you let me tell you what I imagine about myself you'd find it a lot more interesting.
Anne Shirley: Can't you even imagine you're in the depths of despair?
Marilla Cuthbert: No I cannot. To despair is to turn your back on God.
Anne Shirley: Mrs. Hammond told me that God made my hair red on purpose and I've never cared for Him since.
Anne Shirley: Don't you ever imagine things differently from what they are?
Marilla Cuthbert: No.
Anne Shirley: Oh Marilla, how much you miss.
[Marilla, commenting on whether or not she'll keep Anne]
Marilla Cuthbert: If she can avoid catastrophe two days in a row, I might have a chance to make up my mind.
[Anne, after a failed attempt to dye her hair]
Anne Shirley: I thought nothing could be as bad as red hair. Green is ten times worse.
[Anne has just fallen from a roof]
Diana Barry: Just say one word and tell me if you're killed!
Anne Shirley: No... but I think I've been rendered unconscious.
Anne Shirley: I don't think Mrs. Barry is a well-bred woman. I don't believe God himself would entirely meet with her approval.
Marilla Cuthbert: Anne, you musn't say things like that... especially in front of the minister's wife. But, if you left God out of it, you'd have it just about right.
[Anne, after she's forbidden to see Diana]
Anne Shirley: Farewell, my beloved friend. Henceforth, we must be strangers living side by side... but my heart will be ever faithful to thee.
Anne Shirley: Tomorrow is always fresh, with no mistakes in it.
Anne Shirley: I know I chatter on far too much... but if you only knew how many things I want to say and don't. Give me some credit.
Anne Shirley: Ruby Gillis says when she grows up, she wants to have a line of beaus on a string and make them crazy for her. I'd rather have one, in his rightful mind.
[Diana Barry then quickly, un-expectedly and immediately opened the Cuthbert's door, to ask for help with her little sister Minnie May Barry's near life-loss, with croup or phlegme that was thickly in her throat]
[Anne, commenting on city life]
Anne Shirley: I think I would probably come to the conclusion that I'd like it for a while... but in the end, I'd still prefer the sound of the wind in the firs across the brook more than the tinkling of crystal.
Aunt Josephine: I like people who make me like them. Saves me so much trouble forcing myself to like them.
Aunt Josephine: Wealth can be very empty when you don't have someone to share it with. But by the time I realized that, no one would have me... except men who wanted my money more than I did.
I just tried to paste the portion in which context that quote was and which is self-explanatory. Quotes are good if written to the right context.
Now gems cannot change your fate I do Agree with you but our view is; like diabetes on insulin having sweets and cold drinks cannot expect fall in sugar level. Similarly stone cannot change your fate, if you are not doing required act to achieve the same.
You have a perfect couple with healthy body and internal systems and they do not have baby after a considerable time spent together for getting a baby, they takes a stone as per astrologer to have baby but keeps themselves out of sexual act or having contraceptives; can they conceive? For all practical purpose that is not possible. Even if they are active they might not achieve the Goal if God is not ready to gift them that happiness.
Like best doctors and medicine cannot guarantee you the full cure from the disease; on the other hand if luck mixed with hard work is with you another Yuvraj Singh story is just a matter of time to be released.
Our intention is not to glorify any subject and put down others view but what we intended to do is to make people analyse what the subject tells is that really the case for all who are involved in such extra marital act. If majority of the time this happens to be true then we can conclude the facts are supported by the result of examination. So if you have doubt or argument against astrology let’s do collect the horoscope and send the exact Date Time and place to examine all of them and see what rules are making them week in moral and morel to get involved in such trust breaking act and perhaps criminal offence in ethical scale .
We wellcome all the views and reserve the right to express our view as well. A healthy debate can only make it better day by day.
All the best and have a nice time."
A truly "Argumentative Astrologers" All the best to both the party from my side to have respect for own views and others.
As claimed lets wait for the result of US President Election 2012 and see how close www.astromindsclub.com was in Sep 2012 as their predictions.