Can we raise the level of discourse?

by smkovalinsky | October 2, 2009 at 11:05 pm
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Can we raise the level of discourse?  Some great letters to the editor of the New York Times,  discussing why impassioned politics is a thing of the gutter:

It is pointed out that the impartial and neutral tone  -  the mark of sophisticated public discourse  -  as been replaced by wing-nut rantings which are the mark of the vulgar and the ignorant.  To see both sides;  to remain detached:  this and this alone marks the beginning of true understanding and true opining.  The Dumbing Down of America is fact,  not a theory. 

  

To the Editor:

Re “The Wizard of Beck,” by David Brooks (column, Oct. 2):

Mr. Brooks is correct about Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and the rest. Democracy requires an informed citizenry in order to thrive, which means that people have to trade ideas and opinions with some objectivity and dispassion.

These demagogues, with their aggressive bitterness and their lies, bring the public discourse into the gutter. They exhort us not to speak (or even think) rationally, and to them the ability to consider opposing views is a sign of weakness.

In a political system designed to be “by the people,” this is the opposite of patriotism. Geoffrey S. Poor

Honeoye Falls, N.Y., Oct. 2, 2009

To the Editor:

I was encouraged by David Brooks’s analysis of the current faint power of right-wing talk jocks.

I overlooked his deftly blaming what power they do have on “cynical Democrats,” “lazy pundits” and “slightly educated snobs.” How convenient to put responsibility for the poisoning of public discourse by conservative extremists on the Democrats.

But he lost me when he implied that Rush Limbaugh had never had any real influence, ignoring any role Mr. Limbaugh may have had in neutralizing the Clinton administration or in promoting the Bush election and re-election.

But his final judgment is right: the Republican Party is losing support. That’s because it chooses to be the voice of complaint rather than an agent of accomplishment. William R. Nye

Brooklyn, Oct. 2, 2009

To the Editor:

Thank you, David Brooks. I have waited years for evidence and reassurance that Americans were not increasingly just a bunch of “Dittoheads.” This country cannot afford to follow a line of reasoning, whether it be extreme right or left, that is narrowly focused, is self-serving and ignores the facts.

Democracy is under enough assault without voters following a bunch of cynics down their narrow path.

Tim Omaggio

Morris Township, N.Y., Oct. 2, 2009

To the Editor:

Thomas L. Friedman’s insightful column about our disappearing sense of community (“Where Did ‘We’ Go?” Sept. 30) raises the question of how Americans can help to restore it.

We can write letters to the editor and to our representatives, boycott companies whose advertising helps keep the hatemongers on television and radio, and make the case wherever possible that a sense of community becomes even more important as the country grows more diverse.

But voters can send the most powerful message in 2010 by turning out of office the politicians whose unrelenting partisanship has helped to make hate a hallmark of our national conversation.

David Kernis

Trumbull, Conn., Sept. 30, 2009

To the Editor:

It’s difficult to contradict the principal observations made by Thomas L. Friedman. But, honestly, the same type of demagoguery being perpetrated against President Obama has happened repeatedly over time.

George W. Bush was labeled a liar and an incompetent by his opposition (including leaders in Congress). Bill Clinton was impeached by Congress. Franklin D. Roosevelt was accused of establishing a socialist state. And Abraham Lincoln had the audacity to abolish slavery (he, of course, paid the ultimate price).

What do our elected leaders in Congress do to temper their most aggressive constituencies, be they left or right?

Not enough.

Campaign finance reform (anybody remember this pipe dream?) and term limits (another long shot) would be important steps in driving out the partisans from Congress. Partisans fuel radicalism and violent protest.

Salvatore J. Bommarito

New York, Sept. 30, 2009

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albertacowpoke

Unfortunately, the NY Times fails to also mention some left wing so-called wing nuts.  Check out Chris Matthews on MSNBC and the large collection on the Huffington Post.  So this article could have also used some objectivity to show the other side.

The difference between the Left and the Right, is that  the Right has the ratings and therefore a larger audience.

The recent White House Blog on FOX News, in my mind, was beyond the dignity of the White House.


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Hugh Askew

The Left also has the advantage of being able to get their bias directly from the NY Times.

Objectivity for the NY Times means agreeing with their opinion.

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a211423

Being an informed citizen takes dedication and work.  A person does not have to be college educated to be able to make an informed decision or opinion, but they need a desire to care about the world they live in and be willing to, not only voice dissatisfaction, but also to offer solutions or at least ask pertinent questions.  The problem with nihilism is that it tends to cite everything that is wrong, but solutions are scant to none.  Plainly, it takes a lot more reading and time to be informed. Reading and perhaps have a dictionary handy to look up a few words.  

 

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Roy C

I agree, "a". Very good point. Some hard work and real emotional control, as opposed to being unemotional. Feelings are good, but one's emotional reactions cannot be permitted to take over, only to fuel the work that needs to be done.

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a211423

Thank you Roy.

Emotional and knee jerk reactions are the fuel for the "shock" commentators.  I have noticed a trend in news programs called "Fact Check."  This is quite interesting because by its existence it suggests that some information is not factual.   I am an old person, and I would never have considered anything Walter Cronkite, William Buckley or Huntley and Brinkly said to be erroneous whether I agreed with it or not.  What does this say about how information is presented today?  All the fact checks are not aimed at reporting agencies, but many are.  As a listening, reading, watching member of the public audience, it is encumbant upon us to praise what is valid and decry what is not.  We cannot expect excellence if we are willing to accept in silence mediocrity.  

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Roy C

You're welcome.

I used to watch Buckley, too. I agreed with nearly all of his foreign policy stuff, but I used to catch him (so I thought) when he took one or an other of his conservative principles a step too far. Juan Williams of National Public Radio one of two NPR commentators on FOX used to watch Buckley as well and with much the same attitude.

Admitting agreement to the degree that you truly agree, in spite of what it looks like to your friends on your "side", rather than "othering" our rivals and making them into enemies, that is what can keep us a "Philadelphia" as a people, i.e., a city of brotherly love.



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