Canada's food talent migrates west

by Rob Peters | April 23, 2008 at 05:59 pm
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Vancouver is quickly usurping Toronto as Canada's culinary capital, according to a feature in today's Globe and Mail. It's not so much a brain drain as it is a foodie exodus. Or something.

Torontonians have long been flattered by the "New York of the North" conceit. Canada's largest city, after all, is also the country's business capital and, one could argue, its key cultural and entertainment hub.

So one might forgive a self-respecting Toronto foodie for recoiling at the news that two of Manhattan's legendary culinary stars, Jean-Georges Vongerichten and Daniel Boulud, are bypassing the Centre of the Universe to set up their first Canadian outposts thousands of miles away in, yes, Vancouver.

As reported in this newspaper last week, Mr. Vongerichten is negotiating a new restaurant in the Shangri-La Hotel Vancouver, scheduled to open early next year. Though nothing's been signed, the project is rumoured to be a high-end destination restaurant.

Mr. Vongerichten, who oversees 17 restaurants and has been dubbed a "superchef" by New York Times critic Frank Bruni, would follow in the clog steps of fellow French expatriate Mr. Boulud, best known for the Manhattan dining temple Daniel.

Last month, Mr. Boulud announced a partnership with David and Manjy Sidoo, owners of Lumière and Feenie's, two restaurants founded by the recently departed Rob Feenie. Under the plan, the New Yorker will take over both locations and rebrand the less formal Feenie's as DB Bistro Moderne Vancouver.

All of which, with due respect to Montreal, which has always excelled at French-based cuisine, would seem to raise the question: Has Vancouver trumped Toronto as Canada's culinary capital?

It depends on whom you ask, of course, but it seems to be getting easier to find an unqualified yes.

Chris Nuttall-Smith, a former food editor for Toronto Life magazine, says while he is continually excited by Toronto restaurants, new, creative chefs sometimes aren't drawing the crowds they deserve. As a former Vancouverite, he says patrons on the West Coast tend to be more adventurous and keen for avant-garde cuisine.

Much of the problem, he believes, has to do with "old money" Toronto wealth compared with the "new money" of Vancouver's predominantly young entrepreneurs in technology and real estate. "In Vancouver, it's not all tied up in corduroy curtains and starched shirts," he said. "People with money in Vancouver don't need to go to the guy who's been doing it for 20 years. It's a less conservative audience."

Indeed, among Vancouver's estimated 100 new openings in 2007, about 40 were fine-dining spots.

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Barry Artiste
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at 18:29 on April 23rd, 2008

Rob Peters, I like this story. It's good stuff. With Quebec being my hometown and residing in both Montreal and Quebec City, eating Quebecois food from the High End menus, as well as the Marie Antoinette/Dennys style food, I consider myself a foodie, I have eaten at Luimiere, Mortons, and other eateries of the high dollar variety, because lets face it, I eat to live, but I have never found it as good as it is reported in the media.  Just because it is attractively plated, with a Sprig of some herb form a Rainforest, doesn't make the meal Great, just unusual.   My girlfriend is in the Food product, restaurant marketing consulting game, so we eat out a lot at a variety of restaurants a few times a week. For Food Quality, Taste versus the price, the Drive and Kingsway offers tons of great food as well as Indo eateries in Surrey and Asian Food in Richmond.

I have yet to see Toronto or Vancouver beat Montreal at anything, except perhaps Seafood and East Indian Food (My favourites), most likely because of proximity to the Pacific Ocean and large East Indian population here.  As for Asian Fare, I prefer East Coast Montreal Chinese Food, though my Girlfriend Wendy, being Asian, disagrees with me on that point, saying Montreal Chinese Food is Canadianized, where as Vancouver is real Chinese Food, she should know she was born and raised in Vancouvers Chinatown.  My Girlfriend also spent many years working in both Toronto and Montreal, so I guess she is right.  But as for me, I like Canadian Chinese food and Vancouver Chinese Food, though I prefer Canadianized more for childhood comfort food, Culinary Heathen Food Slut that I am, as Wendy puts it.  As for me, My Stomach is in Quebec!

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Rob Peters

Thanks for the flag Barry.  I don't know if I qualify as a foodie...probably not because I rarely eat at high end places. I prefer food that's reasonably priced, tasty and healthy, which is surprisingly hard to find in a restaurant. The Naam on West 4th is one of my favourites, as is the Foundation on Main Street.

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kickinghorse

Barry,

The fact you prefer Canadian Chinese food over real authentic Chinese food tells me your palate is suspect - I guess eating at high end establishments does not necessarily make one an expert on fine dining eh?  Real Chinese food is made from fresh ingredients using well honed Chinese cooking techniques - so I think your girlfriend is right.

Having been born in Montreal, living in Toronto and travelled to Vancouver, I can honestly say that the only area where Montreal stands out is their French cuisine - you will find more consistency and better value than either Toronto or Vancouver.  At the same time, Montrealers are more conservative and cling to tradition more than Toronto or Vancouver.   However, I do not find that as a negative - there is some comfort in knowing that when you return to Montreal, everything is the same.

The best chefs in the world tend to go where the wealth is - cities such as NY, London, Las Vegas, Barcelona, Tokyo, Hong Kong, etc. I would not even rank Vancouver or Toronto in the same league as those cities. However, I do find that in Canada the Vancouver and Toronto restaurant scene are more lively and creative than Montreal. Too bad Susur Lee is leaving, but I hear that Gordon Ramsay may be coming to Canada - here's hoping that he comes to Toronto.

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Barry Artiste

Your'e right Kicking Horse, and so is my Girlfriend, but that doesn't change the fact I still prefer Eastern Canadian Chinese Food over Real Chinese Food, Motreal Pizza and Montreal smoked Meat. Perhaps to me it is comfort food of my past full of good memories. But you have to agree Montreal pizza and in particular Montreal smoke meat and all of it's artery clogging goodness cannot be beat. The same as Pizza, call me a fatalist, but I'll take the occasional Montreal "Heart Attack on a Plate", over any Vangroovy Foo, Foo Wheat Thin Crust Pizza with Tofu fixins, Real Chinese food, or Kitsalano Faux non fat Montreal Smoked meat innards they try and pass off as real food anyday.  Crap, now you got me all depressed for good food now.

 

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Barry Artiste

Your'e right Kicking Horse, and so is my Girlfriend, but that doesn't change the fact I still prefer Eastern Canadian Chinese Food over Real Chinese Food, Motreal Pizza and Montreal smoked Meat. Perhaps to me it is comfort food of my past full of good memories. But you have to agree Montreal pizza and in particular Montreal smoke meat and all of it's artery clogging goodness cannot be beat. The same as Pizza, call me a fatalist, but I'll take the occasional Montreal "Heart Attack on a Plate", over any Vangroovy Foo, Foo Wheat Thin Crust Pizza with Tofu fixins, Real Chinese food, or Kitsalano Faux non fat Montreal Smoked meat innards they try and pass off as real food anyday.  Crap, now you got me all depressed for good food now.

 

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Barry Artiste

Your'e right Kicking Horse, and so is my Girlfriend, but that doesn't change the fact I still prefer Eastern Canadian Chinese Food over Real Chinese Food, Motreal Pizza and Montreal smoked Meat. Perhaps to me it is comfort food of my past full of good memories. But you have to agree Montreal pizza and in particular Montreal smoke meat and all of it's artery clogging goodness cannot be beat. The same as Pizza, call me a fatalist, but I'll take the occasional Montreal "Heart Attack on a Plate", over any Vangroovy Foo, Foo Wheat Thin Crust Pizza with Tofu fixins, Real Chinese food, or Kitsalano Faux non fat Montreal Smoked meat innards they try and pass off as real food anyday.  Crap, now you got me all depressed for good food now.

 

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David123

Please...not another ignorant Montrealer. With your unsophisticated palate please keep your Canadian Chinese food and stomach in Quebec. As a former Montrealer who has lived in the West nor living in Toronto, i can definitively say that the only thing that Montreal does better than Toronto or Vancouver is French cuisine. Toronto has better Italian, Indian, West Indian, and Thai; Vancouver has better Chinese, Japanese and Nouvelle cuisine. I think one needs to have travelled and lived a bit before jumping to silly self-fulfilling conclusions.

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Barry Artiste

Same here, to rate a restaurant as a Mecca for Media foodies, based on Foo Foo prices, certainly is not fair to all the other local home cooked restaurants or to you and I as Joe 6 packs Gourmands frequent, as well as the general population who like good food period, ambience be damned, I want my money to go to food, not fruity decorations or snooty bandy legged serving staff, who really want to be actors, dancists or singists.

But then the general population are usually not suckered into going to high end anyways, regardless what Food Critics tout, as most stick to local neighbourhood comfort food restaurants anyways.

So as far as I am concerned let the "Babies have their Niche Bottle" the rest of us will eat what we know best.

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