Christian Fundamentalists Condemn 'Jesus, Queen of Heaven'

Basically, the feminine overcoming the masculinity of someone is what the hexagram in the I Ching, the "Marrying Maiden", is about.

It says something about "a female bold and strong", "avoid marriage with such a female". Here, by transforming into a woman, the man's nature is negated, not subordinated to the value of Eros, but castrated.

Such an image is necessarily threatening and goes against the vision of what the Great Mother wants, love for her male and female children.

For me, a more effective representation of the balance of opposites is the whole Mary Magdeline as Sangue Real, Royal Blood, which became mistranslated as the Holy Grail, as wife and partner of Christ. 

The Divine Couple is the complementation of Divine Masculine with the Divine Feminine, and neither encroaches on the other, but supports and is supported by the other.

Hi Roy! I would like to continue this discussion. However, before doing so, I want to make sure you hold knowledge of Two Spirit.

Yes, I have read about them.

Let's put it this way. If a man becomes a conduit of the Unconscious, which is essentially feminine, or yin, unable to express itself directly, then the image of the transvestite would be an apropos image of the result of the process.

In religious thought, some Christian saints, one of the St Teresa's, was felt to be both a whole man and a whole woman.

This allows the experience of spiritual ecstasy to go on within the individual, while otherwise it can only go on in the sex act with a person's complement sexually.

This would explain the celibacy of holy men and women. They are, in fact, both sexes.

PS Please do take your time:)!

Roy, we must have posted at the same time. Nevertheless, I did mean it for the reason that this is a topic that requires considerable thought in my opinion. Your views on the matter are quite interesting. I would like to be able to think about them, before responding. So, stay tuned...:)!

Your turn.

Not yet:)!

Out for a morning run. Take your time.

I would point out that both Robert Graves and Joseph Campbell taught me through their writings that when the "Greeks" who were non-Greeks conquered Greece and reduced the native population to slavery, what happened is that the original matriarchal culture where perhaps men did not know that they co-created babies with women got subordinated to these cattle-men from Turkey who knew very well that men produced children with women.

So, besides robbing women of their status as goddesses, a very interesting thing happened: the cult of male gods.

And, even more interesting than that, was that men took over the function of priestesses, but dressed n their robes, which priests do to this day.

Then, though, the new "priest-priestesses" wore breast-plates, wigs and carried the double-axe, a symbol of the Moon cult, whose worship would have come out of the relation of menstruation to the processes of the heavens, and whose darkness would represent what came before the light, the conscious mind, our own sun, which the moon covers, showing her greater power, in the eclipse of the sun by the moon.

For Jungians, matriarchy wasn't so much about women ruling, and there is controversy about that, as it is about the Unconscious ruling the psyche more than the conscious mind, which is really what patriarchy is psychologically and spiritually.

The West's and modern man everywhere in the world, technocratic man, is an atheist, an egocentric, and prone to possession from within by the feminine forces of the Unconscious, precisely because he can't see them.

Synchonicity: as I wrote that, on another computer at my desk, I have the following image, which popped up on the slide show:

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Roy, for simplicities sake, I think Jo Clifford probably has the best of intentions. Too, this is not the first time that Jesus has been portrayed as a woman.

In 2008 a Porthmadog priest portrays Jesus as a woman. In the article, The Reverend Williams is quoted as saying: "The man-created image of Jesus Christ has always been of an effeminate nature with long flowing locks of hair."

Reverend Williams basically took that 'imagery' a step further as Jo Clifford is seemingly doing.

For both Reverend Williams and Jo Clifford's works, they "invariably raise questions that some people, inside and outside the churches, wish [they] would not ask."

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For Ouspensky and Gurdjieff., Christ was a macrocosmic man, a universe-within one human, and would have no sexual relations with anyone, being a whole man and a whole woman, at the same time.

I don't know how we could know any of this but I know that the speculation about it involves deep forces of our personality and that is why this playwright wrote that play, to have an image of the Divine Within as the Divine Feminine, a counter-balance to a patriarchal world of egocentric reason which reduces real reason to a religion of rationalism.

The images are from alchemy, and they show what for Jung are the processes of the psyche.

Alchemy is from Arabic, from some ancient Egyptian religion, and it is the study of the "chi", the force of the spirit in matter (from "Mater") itself.

The homosexual man becomes a symbol of a counter-compensation. Instead of a psyche dominated by its consciousness, by a yang, it is counter-dominated by the repressed Unconscious and feminine values.

So, that becomes a "Christ", a countervailing element necessary for wholeness but it is not in and of itself wholeness, but a representation of what the conscious mind fears, allowing the Divine Feminine to takes its place in the psyche of modern man.

We already have a language of the Unconscious with which to work, but some Jungians would say that it had been overtaken by orthodox religions.

Interesting post and comments alike. 

In the old Hebraic there was no "He or She" and God was neither Male nor Female.

There for the play, even though interesting is still far away from a peaceful and uniting philosophy as it existed once in the original transcripts of the old Testament.

Progress would have been a play where Jesus is neither he nor she.

God was all vowels and no consonants. A-E-I-O-U.

Yes, Pashen, you are onto it. But there is a difference between mixing destroying the distinctions of masculine and feminine and bringing them into a complementary relationship a la the I Ching.

You yourself are a bridge between East and West, and that is like being a force of the Self, the balance of opposites.

• Ultimately, the "risen Christ", or Mercury if your iconography is Greco-Roman pagan, or whatever god or goddess represents the embodiment of the Divine in the mortal flesh, is the ultimate outcome of this death and rebirth on the emotional and spiritual level.
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This is not "traditional Christianity", but rather a somewhat heretical version based on a mixing of Jewish Christianity and Egyptian alchemy, where older pagan symbols are replaced by the new icons.

Roy, did you remove some of your comments?:)

No, the images disappeared. So when I went to put them in again, I used another site for the images and it left out the sentences that got included.

Great food for thought, thanks

You are very welcome, Barry! Thank you for reading, commenting, and for the recommendation!

Check out these Bible verses people.

Israel is My son, even My first born. (Exodus 4:22)
Also I will make him (David) Myfirst born, higher than the kings of the earth. (Psalms 89:27)
He (Solomon) shall be My son, and I will be his Father. (1. Chron 22:10)
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God. (Matt. 5:9)

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God. (John 3:1)

   How many sons has God had   ?  Zero, or loads?