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Flickr Recognized Yet Again for Complete Disregard of its Users
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by dysamoria | July 24, 2009 at 01:26 am
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flickr troublemaker virtually admits to being the cause of my second accout deletion
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The complaint (box quoted to the left in two parts) comes from a friend who asked to remain anonymous. Remember, complaints are like cockroaches: when you hear one, there are a thousand more you don't hear.
Article posted to dysamoria.com/blog on 7-21-09 by VictoryGrey. Added here by jace, who would like to thank VictoryGrey for the roach analogy and add the following to the analogy and this story:
Before the flickr apologists attack, i'll take your most obvious taunt head on right now: It's not those who complain who are the roaches; it's the hive of complaints that you don't see because they're hidden, repressed, afraid to jump out at you while you're walking down the internet. i encourage everyone with an ax to grind against flickr.com to step forward and do so. Without community voice, there is no community.
flickr and Yahoo both assume that they can silence dissent. They're rather successful, in ways that political dissent is tackled by those in power throughout the world. flickr might night break into your house at night and make you disappear, but look at all those "DELETED" accounts attached to nice comments from user to user. As stated above, contacts just seem to drop off the face of one's flickr contact page without any warning. Accounts are censored (NIPSAed) or deleted outright.
Flickr and Yahoo pretend the only voice is one of sheer blithe happiness, thanks to their own brilliant management and care.
flickr was a great tool (technically, honestly, it still is a great TOOL; far better than "deviant"art.com, which abuses its users in a similar way: marketing itself by way of content owned by its users).
flickr used to be a great community.
flickr is run by people with questionable (or completely lacking) morals and motives, who have destroyed the once great community and taken advantage of its members both financially (i suggest in an illegal manner) and emotionally (by account censorship; and get your understanding of censorship correct before you defend flickr for its right to do whatever it wants with its private product).
If it doesn't bother you, so be it. This isn't the story for you.
If you ARE bothered, do something. Your silence only adds to the perception that yahoo and flickr manage their product wonderfully and that everyone's happy. That, indeed, "flickr loves you..."
...when many people have found that the only thing flickr loves is riding on the coat tails of its users and customers.
-jace
dysamoria.com
formerly happy "Pro" paid user of flickr until harassed (first by a member, who since apologized, & secondly by flickr staff, who have not apologized). fought back in several ways.was just deleted to be silenced. complained to BBB & continues to organize this paltry negative publicity. a voice is all i have.
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at 02:11 on July 24th, 2009
NOTE TO NOWPUBLIC DEVELOPERS:
This (as of the moment i'm posting this comment) is not the draft i posted. it reverted back several edits i made while working on it. This is NOT the first time it has happened and it causes me to waste time fighting the tool in order to present my best possible written story.
Updated it, but lost several points i wanted to make and changes that improved the flow. Yeah, i know... edit in an offline word processor. The problem is that copying and pasting into the NowPublic story editing boxes is terribly problematic, so i end up writing it in Dreamweaver and copying/pasting the code... which the NP editor then still manages to modify unbeknownst to the story writer. Editing looks ok, published result looks different. Getting any version published other than what i typed in is frightening, especially when there was no saving and republishing going on. No reason for this. Please work on this, folks!!
(i just had several problems with the quote editing controls, too - chopped off the end when i went into it to put break tags in, then copied and pasted itself into itself... AARGH!)
UPDATE 4: note my quote was again cut off. it looked fine after editing it. what's up??
UPDATE 5: enough! TWO quote boxes. Could you please indicate how many characters the quote box will take during edit like you do with the story's title!?
at 01:51 on July 24th, 2009
usually we wont really notice such notices. For the time being I would suggest using a text editor, and not a word processor. Notepad is such. Or before you push the save button put the whole text into clipboard to ensure if some glitch happens it is not lost completely.
at 02:04 on July 24th, 2009
thanks for trying to address this topic. are these problems being worked on?
how do we deal with live tools that need special handling like the quote box? (see my modified comment above) Are we expected to write our stories and our quotes in Notepad in simple HTML, hoping the NP copy and paste wont ruin it like it does for me often enough? Note the end of the quote (which NP terms of use say i must use for posting external material like this material from the dysamoria blog) is cut at the end, despite multiple attempts to change it, and it showing everything is ok, until i refresh the page later.
i complain because this happens every time. Maybe the tools are just not developed with the workflow they seem to suggest.
at 12:48 on July 27th, 2009
to be honest, I've never had a problem with flickr and I've truthfully have never heard of anyone having any issues with it, so like you said, so be it. I enjoy showcasing my work on that site and have never been censored or heard of anyone being censored. I actually see a lot of illegal graffiti being showcased on the site and never see it being taken down.
at 15:59 on July 31st, 2009
i greatly enjoyed showcasing my work on flickr as well. that may be one powerful reason why the negatives of the experience are so hard for me to deal with. it was a huge loss to me.
on the other hand, i DO know MANY other users who were censored and deleted, or just harassed into abandoning flickr.
and yes, there's a lot of illegal content there which gets nothing done about it AND lots of stuff against the flickr Terms Of Use that get left alone. it's all about whether or not you have:
1. been "noticed"
2. have made "enemies"
by the very nature of being an artist, you do want to get noticed. so the higher profile you are, the more likely something will happen if your content is either edgy or some other form of "objectionable." then you have only the following element left to either help or hinder you:
- can they squelch you without looking bad in public?
i wasn't popular enough for flickr to get beaten up in public by anyone other than myself. other people have had better luck getting positive resolutions from flickr issues because of community support being extremely strong. if you do a search for "dysamoria" while logged in to flickr (safe search off), you will find the handful of lovely supporters i had.
but what happened to me was totally political and arrogant abuse of power on the part of a flickr user and two flickr employees. it had nothing to do with me breaking any rules at all and everything to do with other people with egos and attitudes being able to just do what they wanted with whatever influences they had, having no consequences for their actions whatsoever.