gug vs sam

by sam_micheal | December 2, 2011 at 02:53 pm
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i'm going to present this article in this way cuz it's most convenient and largely true :) i will list out each of our beliefs as accurately and concisely as i can and then possibly discuss differences :)

gug's beliefs:

our universe is 'unjust' in the sense there is no real thing resembling karma

 (there are no spiritual consequences for your actions/words/thots)

there is no God and if there is, They don't care about us (obviously)

everything is random: from subatomic physics 'on up'

all religions and spirituality are weak and delusional based on human insecurities/needs

morality is a human creation; there is no real 'good' and 'bad'; everything's relative

there's no difference between hope and expectation

there's no difference between sex and 'making love'

what we call the 'spirit' is simply our imagination and maybe some associated feelings

sam and ppl like him are essentially insane/delusional

sam's beliefs:

God created a just universe; there are always spiritual consequences for all your actions/words/thots

God is all good / creative things in our universe and the connections between them

(the reason God appears to 'not care' is because we wrongly expect God to fix human problems.. problems like cancer are required challenges for us to overcome)

nothing is by chance; everyone has their 'unique mission' and connection to God

all religions have critical faults which make them unacceptable for future generations

there is absolute Truth and morality, good and bad, and godlike Perspective

there's a HUGE difference between hope and expectation

unfortunately, many ppl don't know the difference between sex and love

 sex can be a spiritual thing that connects us to God

 unfortunately for humanity, sex can be commercialized which is probably the most repulsive

  thing for me about human beings

there was a long time i agreed w/ gug about 'the spirit' but..

 there is some anecdotal evidence of 'something' that continues..

 call it a spirit or soul.. call it energy.. label it anything but there seems to be something that

 continues..

gug and ppl like him are 'overly rational' needing to explain everything in rational terms..

At this moment, i don't have any 'proof' either position is 'correct' he.. The only evidence i can offer gug is: my son, Russell's son, Rita, Bianca, and the fact i always get what i pray for in earnest: a unique life, a unique connection to the Prime Goddess, a unique education (specifically systems science), consistent revelation, consistent revelations (think about it – there's a difference), my mother's love for me, love in general, consistently kind and generous ppl, periodic human genius like Mozart, Rita, Bianca he.. What i need to say about Bianca is: even if she's not interested in me 'that way', just to meet her and know how i feel about her is a kind of revelation in itself :) Just to meet her and feel about her 'the way i do' is a 'gift from God' :)

Violence, exploitation, and subjugation are my lethal enemies (not the human beings who allow them). Gug is one of my best friends and yet you can see how differently we see the world.. But just as i wrote in the last essay, i believe there is no coincidence for that.. This particular path i've chosen is fraught w/ difficulties and myriad challenges :) This particular mission of mine has exceptional challenges and benefits :)

If you're an atheist, or religious person, or even if you're ambivalent toward religion/spirituality, plz examine your values/beliefs and perhaps more importantly: why. Why do you believe what you believe? It should be obvious why i listed out gug's values and mine – in the first place, it forces me to understand my own values and why.. Next, i think it provides a rational contrast to alternative values.. And 'finally' i think it provides some rational evidence supporting a spiritual life :) Gug's life may be 'squeaky clean' in terms of self-delusion but.. He's also bereft of any spiritual experiences, perhaps true-love, and perhaps most importantly: meaning. Gug may never know the difference between hope and expectation, love and sex, spirit and emotions,.. :( But i can pray for him – nothing can stop me from doing that ;)

Of 37 years i've known gug well 22 of them :) In a way, he represents the archetypal atheist in my life :) So i'm honored to know him and of course – i love him like a brother :) ..i think the easiest way for gug to 'see the light' would be for a suitable woman to enchant him and show him the glory of the Prime Goddess :) So plz join me in a prayer for gug: plz Prime Goddess – reveal your Glory to gug :)

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i also wrote this article for TheAmazingAtheist and Pat Condell :) and of course my mother, Rita,.. and anybody who's interested in self-examination/awareness :) Over the last few days, i've had some intense discussions w/ mom about these things.. Our main disagreement has been over Jesus as God and the Catholic ritual of communion ~ My only way to 'resolve' the former is to make the statement: “i used to think it was faith that decided miracles but it's your connection to God that defines them.” She looked at me hopefully he..

It's impossible for me to surgically remove Catholicism from mom but i've made some progress :) Not in removal but about her open-mindedness and compassion for gug :) ..She asked me today about my commitment as gug's friend.. i replied: “If i haven't given up on him in 37 years..” ;)

For some 'odd' reasons.. i cannot control my love (turn off) for gug, TheAmazingAtheist, Pat, Rita,.. anymore than i can turn off my attraction for Bianca ~ There was this older movie called The Man Who Loved Women he.. U cud call me The Man Who Loved Atheists he ;)~ [giggle] he ..sigh..

If there's any 'proof' in Her existence.. Wouldn't it be that? ;)

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gug objected to one of 'his' beliefs 'between sex and making love'; apparently he's more discriminating in this domain than i gave him credit ;) he stated the last listed belief, the one about sam being insane/delusional, he would have listed first he ;) but the rest he would largely agree w/ .. w/ minor adjustments or qualifications.. ^^ so not bad for not consulting him 1st he ;) ..apparently, after removing the sex/love belief, there are '8 core beliefs' of atheists.. but i can't seem to shake the feeling they amount to rational cynicism :( i'm guessing gug would not object to that label but.. looks like i'm gonna have to write a new article he ;)

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