I Used To Be A Miserable Liberal, making everyone around me miserable too.

by mememine69 | November 21, 2008 at 09:09 pm
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I have spent most of my life being a card carrying leftie and I read all of Chomsky’s books, marched at rallies, spoke at rallies but what changed me into a conservative was the hate that had built up in me and other lefts. I was against more things than I was for. I was tired of fighting and laying blame for everything wrong in the world on what I thought was real evil, the right-wingers. I’ve found that to Liberals it’s all about good vs. evil. To conservatives, it’s about responsibility vs. the stupid. Conservatives think while libs “feel”. I’ve decided to become part of the struggle to see humans evolve more so reasoning becomes more admirable than crying, shouting and finger pointing. I no longer try and make the world around me as miserable as I am. I am no longer a finger pointing technician of blame. And besides, libs no longer are the rebels. We conservatives are the ones who question, doubt and challenge authority to legitimize it. Liberals just cut, cut, cut. They insult, degrade and offer nothing except more laws and less jail time, political correctness and racist affirmative action. Some day we will be blind to color and strips but in the mean time libs demonize opposing views and love to preach tolerance and diversity just before they do another head count and inventory of who is a minority, a victim and a devil. History will see global warming being to libs what WMD’s were to neocons. Both were lies to gain power and also in the case of lefties, to get some attention and “feel” good about doing something nice with other nice people. Ya thanks for denying our children a future because of a made up climate crisis caused by SUV gas and plant food. God help us.

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at 23:41 on November 21st, 2008

I am disappointed in myself for responding to somebody on the internet, but what you're describing really sounds like most people's infatuation with politics. You are trying to simplify something that is not that simple. Neither liberals nor conservatives are not one monolithic group. These are umbrella terms, the represent what happens when a two-party system causes identities to be polarized between the two. Conservatives in my neighborhoods are not necessarily like conservatives in other neighborhoods. They may both have come from what one could call conservative households, but this doesn't mean they have some common background, that they share one defining characteristic or set thereof which determine their alignment. It's because the groups they were part of had to, in general, pick which of two parties represented them best. Your desire to put people in boxes reflects that you are still just feeling your way through this instead of reasoning. How people think about issues is more complex than "liberals get off on misery".

Now, you "feel" global warming isn't correct. You are probably one of those people that just "knows" your doctor is full of shit when they tell you to finish your antibiotics (I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you are not a doctor). There is a difference between the the appearance of rationality and actually being rational. On global warming, I'm going to grant you your mild skepticism of a scientific community that has been studying this field closely for a long time. Maybe they are all just wrong. It would still be smart to take into account what they're saying just to be on the safe side. You should probably note that both major candidates understood the importance of people's impact on the earth's climate. That's because both candidates were smart enough to not try and be armchair scientists and say "oh the earth always goes through cycles". Really? You wanna tell me about them? Go for it champ. Tell me all about the cycles we're about to go through. How about the ones for which we don't have a record? Enlighten me. The earth is so easy to understand right? It's like a menstrual cycle or something right?

Also, what's wrong with sustainability? This can only help the United States became more free from oil and we already have the upper hand in the relevant technology and research. We win from every direction: we play it safe, power the country, provide jobs, and have a reliable, sustainable infrastructure that our country can depend on. I think some of you folks need to be able to admit that you might just have been wrong about how you thought about the environment. I understand, there's nothing too compelling about the ivory tower and Greenpeace with comparison to industry that powers the United States, but things have changed. I think most people with even a cursory knowledge of the matter will not pretend that somehow the earth will turn into a smoldering husk just from SUV's and styrofoam cups. That's not the concern, it's about the billion people that will lose their homes because they live in low altitudes, and the millions upon millions that will suffer worse and worse floods, droughts, and the accompanying disease and famine. The "Conservatives" and "Liberals" you talk about are not a cult, they are just terms. The people to whom they refer have both realized some truths, and instead of attaching yourself to some idea of the conservative ideal, you might want to just take a new look at what the actual situation is.

There are a lot of angry people out there, there is always a spectrum. You may not be crazy about them, but we should at least by quietly pleased that we have a spectrum that can exist. What is unfortunate is that in life, there are not many material bonuses along the way, but plenty of surprise obstacles. There is a reason it makes sense to err on the safe side, to worry, because what we don't know can hurt us. Our instinct as functioning living things is not to go search for all the things that surround us that make feel safe, it is to be vigilant to watch for what endanger us. And yes, the price for that is sometimes getting mad about what threatens our liberties, our health, or morality, etc. Sometimes we learn a truth that is not pleasant to look at, whose consequences seem unpleasant, but that does not mean we can ignore it. There are angry people on both sides of the fence, and these people are angry because of the things they know. This "misery" is what you get with your knowlege and it's a small price to pay. Ignorance may be bliss, but progress and improvement and doing the right thing is not meant to be blissful. 


P.S. Could you please lash out against white guilt a little harder, I'm not yet convinced you're not in denial of something.

 

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I am disappointed in myself for responding to somebody on the internet, but what you're describing really sounds like most people's infatuation with politics. You are trying to simplify something that is not that simple. Neither liberals nor conservatives are not one monolithic group. These are umbrella terms, the represent what happens when a two-party system causes identities to be polarized between the two. Conservatives in my neighborhoods are not necessarily like conservatives in other neighborhoods. They may both have come from what one could call conservative households, but this doesn't mean they have some common background, that they share one defining characteristic or set thereof which determine their alignment. It's because the groups they were part of had to, in general, pick which of two parties represented them best. Your desire to put people in boxes reflects that you are still just feeling your way through this instead of reasoning. How people think about issues is more complex than "liberals get off on misery".

Now, you "feel" global warming isn't correct. You are probably one of those people that just "knows" your doctor is full of shit when they tell you to finish your antibiotics (I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you are not a doctor). There is a difference between the the appearance of rationality and actually being rational. On global warming, I'm going to grant you your mild skepticism of a scientific community that has been studying this field closely for a long time. Maybe they are all just wrong. It would still be smart to take into account what they're saying just to be on the safe side. You should probably note that both major candidates understood the importance of people's impact on the earth's climate. That's because both candidates were smart enough to not try and be armchair scientists and say "oh the earth always goes through cycles". Really? You wanna tell me about them? Go for it champ. Tell me all about the cycles we're about to go through. How about the ones for which we don't have a record? Enlighten me. The earth is so easy to understand right? It's like a menstrual cycle or something right?

Also, what's wrong with sustainability? This can only help the United States became more free from oil and we already have the upper hand in the relevant technology and research. We win from every direction: we play it safe, power the country, provide jobs, and have a reliable, sustainable infrastructure that our country can depend on. I think some of you folks need to be able to admit that you might just have been wrong about how you thought about the environment. I understand, there's nothing too compelling about the ivory tower and Greenpeace with comparison to industry that powers the United States, but things have changed. I think most people with even a cursory knowledge of the matter will not pretend that somehow the earth will turn into a smoldering husk just from SUV's and styrofoam cups. That's not the concern, it's about the billion people that will lose their homes because they live in low altitudes, and the millions upon millions that will suffer worse and worse floods, droughts, and the accompanying disease and famine. The "Conservatives" and "Liberals" you talk about are not a cult, they are just terms. The people to whom they refer have both realized some truths, and instead of attaching yourself to some idea of the conservative ideal, you might want to just take a new look at what the actual situation is.

There are a lot of angry people out there, there is always a spectrum. You may not be crazy about them, but we should at least by quietly pleased that we have a spectrum that can exist. What is unfortunate is that in life, there are not many material bonuses along the way, but plenty of surprise obstacles. There is a reason it makes sense to err on the safe side, to worry, because what we don't know can hurt us. Our instinct as functioning living things is not to go search for all the things that surround us that make feel safe, it is to be vigilant to watch for what endanger us. And yes, the price for that is sometimes getting mad about what threatens our liberties, our health, or morality, etc. Sometimes we learn a truth that is not pleasant to look at, whose consequences seem unpleasant, but that does not mean we can ignore it. There are angry people on both sides of the fence, and these people are angry because of the things they know. This "misery" is what you get with your knowlege and it's a small price to pay. Ignorance may be bliss, but progress and improvement and doing the right thing is not meant to be blissful. 


P.S. Could you please lash out against white guilt a little harder, I'm not yet convinced you're not in denial of something.

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Swapping sides is not the answer. If anger and frustration have gnawed away at your socialist soul, it is only because you actually placed your trust in politicians and parties rather than in individuals and their local efforts. Politicians will always act in the narrower party interests rather than those of the society they represent, particularly in a crisis.


 Think revolution, act evolution - or, as if we were actually evolving towards becoming better human beings. 

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