Obama California acting stupidly over Arizona illegal aliens

There are no "illegal aliens" - there are persons who are in the United States illegally.  They themselves are not "illegal," but their entry into the US violated US laws.  I think that part of the concern with the Arizona law is racial profiling.  While the law itself does not incorporate profiling, the application of the law most likely would.  Imagine that you a "Mexican descent" or even "Native American" (as you know many US Native Americans have similar appearances to Mexicans) multi-generational US citizen with documents and that you have to be stopped to show your documents while the "white" Canadian without documents in the car next to you gets to buzz by without a problem.  I think that many are concerned about the potential for abuse in the application of the law.  Of course there are also human rights issues.  I would never encourage for someone to enter the US illegally, I would never abet an illegal entry to the US, nor would I hire people without proper documents if I were an employer.  At the same time, the so-called "illegal aliens" are human beings, not cattle.  Why not go after the employers?  Why not deal with border issues in a way that would prevent illegal entry to the US as well as prevent civil rights violations?  There has to be another way.  It's likely everyone feels there is a problem, regardless of their position on this law.  It's not convenient to California or Arizona (unless we look at it from a labor perspective - another issue I suppose since some US citizens have benefited from their presence here)... so why not get all the people with diverse opinions together to solve the problem without creating animosity?  You are concerned that there is a President claims to be pro-civil rights?  Humm...  By the way, a lot of those "illegal aliens" are mostly "native" descent.   With reference to native rights on the continent, that makes the situation a bit trickier, doesn't it?

" . . .illegal aliens cost Arizona citizens over 90 billion dollars a year with state government services being paid out for their support. Arizona shells out 3 million dollars plus per day to incarcerate illegal aliens. Arizona spends 850 million tax dollars or more a year to teach Mexicans to speak English."

Do you find something wrong with that? Isn't America a nation of immigrants and isn't America's strength its diversity? I'm with Obama and the Democrats: Get rid of the borders between the U.S. and Mexico. We're living in one world whether you xenophobic/racist/tea bagger/Repubs like it or not. And in any event, the southwest U.S. was part of Mexico at one time until the U.S. government committed  genocide against the Mexican peoples..Mexicans are just taking back geographic areas of the U.S. that rightly belong to them.  :)

Let me first say Rory, you're ignorant.  Hispanic right here talking.  I was born here in America and I value my citizenship.  Each morning I get up and thank god for everything I have and remember our glorious history.  Let me break it down for you, first off:  We are a country built on the genocide of thousands, prejudice, hatred and simply sticking our nose in things it doesn't belong in.  Vietnam.  Korea.  Racism.  Lynchings.  Japanese concentration camps in our OWN country.  Let's talk about the US govenment and the mexican genocide when we took over the rest of what is now America?  You mean like spaniards did when they first came ashore?  You mean like the whites did following that grand tradition towards the native americans?  I guess we forgot who really was here first.  Guess what?  We're still doing it too, across the world.Here's the situation:  The melting pot is full.  It's spilling over and bubbling violently right now.  While it's true we're a nation of immigrants, we have a process for these people to come in and they're ignoring it.  I will agree that the process to become a citizen is ridiculous in what it demands and expects because I know people who went through the legal process and they told me what it was.  They wanted it enough to do it the right way and despite what you may believe, the system we have IS the system and people DO go through it because they want it that bad every day.  We also allow refugees in.  If these "immigrants from mexico" are refugees and fleeing from a hostile country, then let us call them refugees and not immigrants.  The press loves a good sob story.If all immigrants coming in followed the ridiculous process in place, there would be nothing to complain about from ANYONE.  We allow our laws to be ignored, yet actively police every American citizen for the most mediocre of things.Which laws do we get to ignore in fair trade?  Can I go steal a car and not be punished?  Can I kill a man and escape the law?  It's a double standard that many are ignoring, because the issue is troublesome.  This isn't some simple matter-this is a free pass.  What it really comes down to is this:  The government needs to make citizenship easier for people to enter or enforce our policies fiercely.  I expect to hear no complaints from anyone in Mexico right now if I hop their fence since I don't want to wait at the lines at the border gates.Here's what's about to happen:  An armed uprising taking place in Arizona and it would not surprise me to see the national guard being called in as both sides escalate the situation.

Thanks for writing your perspective on this issue. I am sure with this law in place California will be getting allot of  new visitors.

Hey there Rory Cripps stop your PR of miss-information on this issue bud   As this land was before your white ass came here no Indian called themselves Mexican.!!   Other than that, the rest of your rant here is Obama democrat piss water.   Your smoking something other than marijuana, glad I do not live around you for real.   I'm a 100% service connected VET for you and I to talk face to face you would get a real education as to how this country is really run.   Wake up num-nuts your lost in the woods.  

The Federal government and all elected and appointed officials need to enforce the Federal Laws... Or all taxpaying citizens could refuse to pay their taxes bringing the government to its knees overnight. Just remember Big Brothert - there aren't enough jails to hold the entiore population of the USA! Concerned Citizen

California has open arms for anyone illegal, so if it doesn't work out in AZ just head there as they will take care of your health and welfare. Oh, by the way, they are abou 500 BILLION dollars in debt last I heard reading the Wall Street Journal, so get that free $ while you can, hurry up ("wink, wink").

We're acting stupid? The people in Arizona were blind-sided and didn't see the truck hit them either. Let me explain. SB 1070 was merely a strippped-down version of a law George W. Bush signed to law and that law is:Federal Immigration and Nationality Act Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)How so? Look at Arizona's SB1070;Unlawful Stopping and Solicitation of Work   18.  Specifies that it is unlawful, if a motor vehicle is stopped on a street, roadway or highway and blocks or impedes the normal movement of traffic: a)      for a motor vehicle occupant to attempt to hire or hire and pick up passengers for work at a different location; b)      for a person to enter the motor vehicle in order to be hired by a motor vehicle occupant and to be transported to work at a different location.   19.  Stipulates that it is unlawful for a person who is unlawfully present in the U.S. and who is an unauthorized alien to knowingly apply for work, solicit work in a public place or perform work as an employee or independent contractor in Arizona.   20.  Classifies these offenses as class 1 misdemeanors.   21.  Defines solicit and unauthorized alien.   Unlawful Transporting   22.  Specifies that it is unlawful for a person to do or attempt to do the following if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien has come to, has entered or remains in the U.S. in violation of law: a)      transport or move an alien in Arizona in a means of transportation; b)      conceal, harbor or shield an alien from detection in any place in Arizona, including any building or means of transportation.   23.  Stipulates it is unlawful to encourage or induce an alien to come to or reside in Arizona if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that such coming to, entering or residing in this state is or will be in violation of law.   24.  Subjects a means of transportation used in the commission of a violation to mandatory vehicle immobilization or impoundment.   25.  Classifies these offenses as class 1 misdemeanors and subjects offenders to fines of at least $1,000, except that a violation that involves 10 or more illegal aliens is a class 6 felony with a fine of at least $1,000 for each alien who is involved.   Investigations of Employers   26.  Allows the county attorney, in investigations of employers who are alleged to have knowingly or intentionally hired unauthorized aliens, to take evidence, administer oaths or affirmations, issue subpoenas requiring attendance and testimony of witnesses and cause depositions to be taken.   27.  Exempts proceedings held during the course of a confidential investigation from open meeting laws.   28.  Stipulates that an employer is not entrapped in an investigation if the employer was predisposed to knowingly or intentionally employ an unauthorized alien and law enforcement officers or their agents merely provided the employer with an opportunity to do so.   29.  States that it is not entrapment for law enforcement officers or their agents merely to use a ruse or to conceal their identities.   30.  Directs employers to keep verification records of their employees’ work eligibility through E-Verify.   31.  Establishes a class 3 felony for failing to: a)      verify employment eligibility through E-Verify or b)      keep records of verifications.This is the law if you hire or pick up an illegal. You are arrested for a misdemeanor and are fined up to $1,000 per illegal. Pretty expensive, huh? Not if you're a business, it's the cost of doing business. Yet George W. Bush signed: Federal Immigration and Nationality Act which reads:"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he: * assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or * encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or * knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.Recruitment and Employment of Illegal AliensIt is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer an alien for a fee, knowing the alien is unauthorized to work in the United States. It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an alien knowing that the alien is unauthorized to work. Employers may give preference in recruitment and hiring to a U.S. citizen over an alien with work authorization only where the U.S. citizen is equally or better qualified. It is unlawful to hire an individual for employment in the United States without complying with employment eligibility verification requirements. Requirements include examination of identity documents and completion of Form I-9 for every employee hired. Employers must retain all I-9s, and, with three days' advance notice, the forms must be made available for inspection. Employment includes any service or labor performed for any type of remuneration within the United States, with the exception of sporadic domestic service by an individual in a private home. Day laborers or other casual workers engaged in any compensated activity (with the above exception) are employees for purposes of immigration law. An employer includes an agent or anyone acting directly or indirectly in the interest of the employer. For purposes of verfication of authorization to work, employer also means an independent contractor, or a contractor other than the person using the alien labor. The use of temporary or short-term contracts cannot be used to circumvent the employment authorization verification requirements. If employment is to be for less than the usual three days allowed for completing the I-9 Form requirement, the form must be completed immediately at the time of hire.An employer has constructive knowledge that an employee is an illegal unauthorized worker if a reasonable person would infer it from the facts. Constructive knowledge constituting a violation of federal law has been found where (1) the I-9 employment eligibility form has not been properly completed, including supporting documentation, (2) the employer has learned from other individuals, media reports, or any source of information available to the employer that the alien is unauthorized to work, or (3) the employer acts with reckless disregard for the legal consequences of permitting a third party to provide or introduce an illegal alien into the employer's work force. Knowledge cannot be inferred solely on the basis of an individual's accent or foreign appearance.Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper article stating that ballrooms depend on an illegal alien work force of dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground for suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred.IT IS ILLEGAL FOR NONPROFIT OR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, REGARDLESS OF CLAIMS THAT THEIR CONVICTIONS REQUIRE THEM TO ASSIST ALIENS. Harboring or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. It is a felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be fined or imprisoned for up to five years. But this time, not only is your property seized like SB1070, but you are imprisoned AS A CONVICTED FELON AND THE GOVERNMENT HAS THE RIGHT TO SEIZE YOUR BUSINESS, EQUIPMENT AND/OR VEHICLE !!!!! So which of the rules is more stringent? The illegal who commits a misdemeanor and hops the border or the company who commits a felony and hires the illegal? And why are Californians pissed? Because, Brewer signed a stripped down version of Federal Immigration and Nationality Act Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii) And everyone including Arizonan will have to flip for the bill and pay to deport these illegals, while corporations are given a free ride. Imagine the Walton's in Jail?

There is a simple solution to this problem that would save Arizona 90 billion per year; buy the illegals a one way bus ticket to New York, San Francisco, or DC with the requirement that they never return!