Stacey Barker Aug 11 Hearing - Star Witness Doesn't Want To Play

Kat,

Thank you for another short hearing well done.

I noticed that Erin J Sutton sent you a Email through someone else, it was good, see he is not as Evil as everyone thinks he is.

Anyone Interested needs to go to your Katfish Ponders page and read the Email he sent.

He is just like us wants to see Justice for Emma, A beautiful child he didn't even know either.......

TTYL T

I am a resident of Quartz Hill, California and have scoured newspapers, the internet, etc., to find out information about this case.  I am surprised at how little is published about Stacey and Emma Barker, although I believe there is a huge interest to be informed about the application of justice for both mother and daughter.  Makes me wonder if the family has other relatives in law enforcement, etc. because there just seems to be a media blackout in my city. One thing that strikes me as completely odd is the fact that Emma died by "accident".  Okay, fine, perhaps that is the case.  But then how could any mother discard her beautiful daughter's warm, fragile body by the side of a freeway in a patch of weeds that is cold, dirty, smelly and sure to have rodents and spiders crawling around?  That is where my disconnect comes in.  How?  Why?  Little Emma wasn't even left with a warm, soft blanket or a favorite toy.... If one of my children died by an accident I did or didn't directly cause, I would be so devastated that I would not care if I sat in prison for the rest of my life because after you lose a child, what could be worse?  Jail?  Prison? Cancer?  I think not.  THERE IS NOTHING WORSE THAN LOSING A CHILD.  The dumping of Emma's body in Sylmar is undisputed by Stacey and is far worse than any alleged "accident".  Whether or not Stacey is convicted doesn't matter....we all know she had no regard for Emma or Emma's little body after her death.  She threw her out like piece of trash and any mother that does that will be judged, maybe not by other humans, but certainly by another "higher power".  Anything that this "higher power" allows to happen to Stacey will be far worse than any paid a Judge, jury, or jail will inflict on Stacey Barker.  Bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I finally read some of the old posts that were said about me a month ago...YOU GIRLS ARE AMAZING... and not in a good way. I have been nice and blown off all the things that have  been said about me... but you know what... Your girls/guys are nothing but drama starting ppl whom have nothing better to do with your life.... next time you see my in public dont say hi to me or even effin smile.... I have lost all respect for each and every one of you...I will never respond or even read one of this opinionated posts from any of these sights again. I wish all justice for Emma

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young woman, however, she was very knowledgeable about her job and very willing to help or explain things to her co-workers.  At this time, she was also very independent of her parents, living by herself for a time or with roommates and was also going to back to school at the local community college, AVC.  She was an attractive young woman and as such had begun taking photos for a modeling portfolio in hopes of eventually becoming a model (those are the provocative photos that were on her Myspace page).   It wasn’t surprising that her looks and personality caught the attention of New Hire Trainer Anthony Hannaford.  It wasn’t long before he began stopping Stacey in the aisles or in the hallways or stopping by her desk to say “hello.”  Anthony drove a pimped out PT Cruiser, had long hair and tattoos, and was an aspiring rock star in a band.  Stacey and Anthony went out a few times, and in January 2007 Stacey discovered that she was pregnant with Anthony’s child.  When Stacey made Antony aware of the situation, he told her to get an abortion and that he didn’t want anything to do with the baby.  Stacey told Anthony that she respected his decision not to be a part of their baby’s life, but told him that he elected to be an absentee parent, neither he nor anyone else in his family would ever be granted access to the baby, and that; in return, she would not demand child support payments.  Anthony quit Countrywide shortly after he got Stacey pregnant, telling everyone that he was going to pursue his career as a rock star.  Stacey’s mother, Sue, though she should abort the child.  Stacey’s father, Gary as well as his parents, all encouraged her to keep the baby and move back home where they would all help her raise the child.  At this time, Stacey was working the 12-9pm shift at Countrywide, and was attending classes in the morning at AVC.  Stacey’s manager, Viola Sanchez, was always giving her a hard time about her team’s performance, and Stacey wasn’t the type of power hungry Team Leader who was quick to issue write-ups or attempt to get people fired, so Stacey decided that it was in the best interest of her unborn child to step down from her position as Team Leader and go back on the phones as a debt collector where she would only need to be accountable for her own performance instead of the performance of a whole team of 12 or so people.  Stacey went back on the phones at work around January 2007 and starting working the 8-5 shift, and was much less stressed, especially since Stacey had always been a top performer.  Around late spring 2007 Stacey was starting show, and was also getting excited about the upcoming birth of her baby.  Stacey worked 1.5 hours overtime each day, taking a half hour lunch each day at 11am and going until 6pm in order to save up for all the things she was going to need for the baby such as a crib, baby clothes, etc.  Since Countrywide was so unrealistic about bathroom breaks, Stacey had to get a note from her doctor saying that she could use the restroom as needed during her pregnancy.  It was by the end of spring 2007 that Stacey told her co-workers during a monthly Team Meeting that she was going to name her baby Emma Leigh Barker.  One co-worker was surprised that she wasn’t going to give the baby Anthony’s surname of Hannaford, but Stacey just said that since he wasn’t going to be a father, she would have her family’s name.  As a team, we arranged a baby shower for our fellow co-worker, and many other co-workers from other teams who knew Stacey as well, were in attendance.  Stacey went on maternity leave around July 2007.  I didn’t see Stacey again until December 2007 when she returned from maternity leave.  She brought photos of Emma, who was simply adorable, and continued to do so frequently.  It seems that every couple of months Stacey was taking Emma to JCPenney to have her picture taken, and she would show the photos to the people she knew.  Stacey started working the 6-3 shift, and soon 5am-2pm so that making sure someone was always home with Emma was easier.  Her mother, who worked at Deluxe, worked the 6pm-230am shift, and her brother, Nick, arranged his school schedule so that he would be available to help with sitting until Stacey got home from work.  Around April 2008 there was yet another change at work, and most of the debt collectors who worked the 5-2 shit were made into a modification team who only did modifications (mostly just crunching numbers and paperwork, very little stress, no heavy phones, no quotas for collecting payments) and a few people on the team didn’t like Stacey because she was private person who didn’t openly discuss her private life with people she wasn’t well acquainted with.  People on the team began saying Stacey was rude, or that she brought the team morale down.  In truth, if Stacey didn’t know you, she wasn’t going to tell you her business.  People took it upon themselves to ask Stacey where the baby’s father was, ask why he wasn’t in the picture, all the things lifeless, nosy people ask.  If Stacey knew you, either from being on her team in the past or just by talking, she was very friendly and would always show you pictures of Emma.  Around the time the new Indiana Jones movie came out in summer 2008, Stacey was having conflicts at home with her mother.  Stacey was dating a young man who worked in Customer Service across the street in the 176 building, and she would put Emma to bed and then go out to a movie or dinner with him.  Stacey’s mother felt that Stacey was not being a good mother if she was out while Emma was home asleep.  Stacey contemplated moving out, but came to the conclusion it wasn’t realistic and wouldn’t be what was best for Emma.  Stacey had just bought a Mazda 6 and money was tight, especially since she wasn’t able to work voluntary overtime because she had to get home right away to relieve the family of babysitting duties.  Stacey made it a point to come to work every day, either on time or a few minutes late.  She would always talk about how hard it was to leave Emma in the morning, but said that she always covered her up with a blanket and gave her a kiss before she left for work.  From all appearances, Stacey loved her daughter dearly.  Numerous photos of Emma lined her cubicle walls, and even though she appeared tired and stressed, she always had loving things to say about her daughter.  By Labor Day 2008, another change was underway at Countrywide, and the new modification team hours were changing from 5am-2pm to 630am-330pm, alternately, you could keep the 5-2 shift if you went across the street to the 176 building and went back on the phones.  Most of the people on the team liked not having performance quotas and not having to work hard and decided that they didn’t care about losing their shift.  Stacey, on the other hand, who had babysitting needs, elected to go back on the phones and keep her shift.   It turned out the modification team was eliminated anyhow and everyone went back on the phone, keeping the 5-2 shift, but Stacey got moved across the street.  I didn’t see her again until December 2008 when she was in the 177 building for training and brought a few of us a Christmas postcard that had Emma dressed up in for the holidays, a huge grin across her face.  Stacey’s relationship with the young man from customer service had ended, but she seemed in good spirits.  People on the team always had snide comments to make about Stacey, and were always sure to say how relieved they were that she was off the team because she “wasn’t talkative on SuperSaturdays” (our mandatory overtime that was two Saturdays per month from either 8am-12pm or 10-2pm at the time). By January 2009, mostly everyone from the 177 building who worked an early shift was moved to the 176 building, and I saw Stacey on a regular basis again.  Her Team Leader, Jennifer Goodnight, was a spaz who was always stressing Stacey out, threatening her with write-ups for her performance or for her attendance, and nit-picking every little thing that Stacey did on the phones.  Like everyone else, I was shocked when I heard the news about Emma, and even more so as the case against Stacey developed.  I never thought Stacey was capable of anything like the crime she is being accused of.  The Stacey I knew always spoke so lovingly of Emma, had tons of photos of the little girl, and was a truly helpful and friendly co-worker.  I am still in disbelief that this has happened.  Emma was a beautiful child who deserved to life her life. 

Sorry about the nonsense at the top of my earlier post, I copied and pasted from MS World without paying attention to what was posting :)

Co-Worker, thanks for taking the time to provide your insight into another part of Stacey's life. You are not alone among those who knew Stacey (whether they liked her or not) in being shocked and surprised about Emma's death and the charges against Stacey. If there had been signs that something like this could happen, surely, someone would have intervened. She has not been convicted of anything yet, hopefully this case will go to trial soon so we can hear all of the evidence and what type of defense, if any, is offered. I don't know if she will be convicted of murder but it seems like she will have to take responsibility for dumping Emma and lying to law enforcement about the circumstances surrounding Emma's death. She also face charges of assault on a child causing death and child abuse. I'm surprised she wasn't charged with lying to LE about "the assault on her and the kidnapping of Emma" but perhaps they agreed not to charge that since she did eventually led LE to Emma's body.... ????

Thanks again for sharing your insight.

Amber, No one has said a mean thing about you for a long time, no one asked you to change your mind about SB nothing, you do as you want it won't bother us in the least...no one has ever tried to say hi or EFFIN SMILE AT YOU, even when you were spotted you at the Bamboo Club, who cares what you do! WE ARE AMAZING LADIES, you should express your anger at the ones that talk shit about you not all of us as a whole...No matter, it seems to be getting close and you are all scared at what is going to happen or what is not going to happen. Drama starting people...don't make me laugh child, YOUR BESTIE IS THE ONE THAT STARTED THIS DRAMA.....and now you can't take the heat of knowing that your bestie might not be as Innocent as you thought. Whatever, you were on the fence so many times about your thoughts it is a good thing you stay away from sites like this, you only end up making yourself look dumb when her family decides to write something and they see you have been here talking! Co-Worker, No one knows what is going through the minds of Mothers like SB!

Hi Tori!

I didn't know what the heck Amber was talking about, so I didn't reply.....besides if she never reads here again she wouldn't see my response.

I won't be surprised to see more drama as things get closer to trial. You are right.....Stacey is the one who started this drama.....no doubt her dramatic actions are the reason the national media hopped onto this case. Unfortunately these kind of stories are becoming so commonplace, most don't get the attention of the national news; however, Stacey's playground  attack and kidnap story made it different and when Stacey led them to Emma they were on it!

Hope all's well in CA. It's a beautiful fall day here in IL....upper 70's, light breeze, sunshine. The corn and soybeans are being harvested and the trees are turning beautiful colors :) this is the Midwest at it's best!

Hi Kat,

It has been nice here too...last week rain loved it, this week sunshine again.

I know what you mean, I have no Idea what AB is talking about but it just made me mad that we have been nothing but nice to her and she turns on a dime, I think she was just mad at our observation of GB, but whatever, she was not there and all of us Including Craig saw the attitude of GB towards us, so I was not making it up!

Let her think whatever she wants about us, she needs to put on her big girl panties and think about the whole situation oh and about the fight with SB that carried on into work that AB said was a small thing....ah that is not the story we have been told by Email and by Jason...

About Co-Workers comment, I have a feeling we all know who Co-Worker is!

Why would someone who had a stellar work history have to be threatened with write ups for attendence and other stuff if SB was so quiet,shy and only did her work? how does this co worker know all that stuff about her mother wanting her to abort, the Dad and Grandparents wanting her to keep it, Anthony being a Jerk about all of it, I do NOT believe that for a second about Anthony. Him and his family were so broken up about it I cannot see him being a jerk about Emma, he showed more emotion and tears then SB ever has!

Co worker also forgot about the Goth way of life and the drugs (may or may not be true, but more then 3 people have said it, even one guy she dated) that people say she was on. so you draw your own conclusion on who this may or may not be...Blaming everyone else for being Jerks except SB, again SHE is the victim, she never did anything wrong.....

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Hi, Tori

I am not Amber Barela.  Please allow me the opportunity to address the things you wrote in your post:

I know these things about Stacey because we worked together from 2005 until Emma was murdered and Stacey went on leave on absence at work.  During that time we were often on the same team or she sat in the cubicle next to me, behind me, or in front of me.  Stacey was a good employee as far as doing what she was supposed to – granted, this is a foreign concept to anyone not employed by BofA – so I will explain.  She was courteous to the delinquent mortgagors who called in, advised them of what she was supposed to (you are in foreclosure and your sale date is…you are due for X amount of money, credit reporting and collection activity will continue, why are you delinquent, how long have you been delinquent, do you want to keep your property, are you occupying the property, how much money are you earning at this time, etc.) however, BofA has unrealistic standards for employees.  For example, you must handle complex and irate calls in under 6:00 minutes per call or you lose points, your breaks and lunches are assigned at certain time – if you get stuck on a complex call you and end up having to take your break/lunch at a different time you lose compliance points.  If you don’t put the fear of God into these delinquent mortgagors to make a payment, then you don’t meet your $288,000 per hour balances impacted category.  To sum it up, if you don’t get enough points in these categories that are mostly out of your control, you can get written up.  As I mentioned, Stacey could be late by 2 or 3 minutes and at BofA there is no grace period(you cant even be one minute late!) , three lates is equal to one days absence – so yes, she was given warnings about her attendance.  Also, being even a minute late from breaks and lunches is considered tardy and is subject to disciplinary action. 

Yes, Stacey was quiet and didn’t discuss her private life or much else with people she wasn’t fairly well acquainted with.  Due to this, some people thought Stacey was rude or stuck up.  At work, she spoke to people she new in the break room or, if you happened to sit next to her, between calls. 

As far as Anthony Hannaford goes, I admit that I only know Stacey’s side of the story and the things she conveyed about his view on Emma.   While I know that she and Anthony had remained in contact, Stacey had also expressed fear that he or his family would seek custody of Emma is she asked for child support, which is why early on when Anthony had told her that he did not want to be a part of their unborn baby’s life, that she told him that if he decided to be an absentee parent, neither he nor his family would be allowed any access to the baby.  Anthony‘s side of the story may be completely different.  All I know is that around the time of Emma’s 1st birthday, he re-appeared and attended Emma’s first and only birthday party along with members of the Barker family.  It is possible he had a change of heart and decided that he wanted to be a father to Emma, and assume parental responsibly.  This could be why Stacey was traveling to see him at his residence in Long Beach to collect child support on the day she confessed to murdering baby Emma.  From what I knew of Anthony, he was affable and a good New Hire Trainer.  I never said he was a jerk.   It was apparent however, that he was still immature (one might say Stacey was, too) and that he was very involved in his music career and parties, and didn’t want to be weighed down with an infant.  I would image that he showed grief and shed tears over the murder of his daughter, and I image that some of that may have also been guilt for not having been there the first year of her life.  He could argue that Stacey would not allow visitation, but we all know that no judge or mediator would have denied him partial custody which is generally afforded men in his position: every other weekend a day during the week. 

Being as Countrywide/BofA has a strict business casual dress code, I never saw Stacey present herself in a Goth manner.  If she did so outside of work, I wouldn’t know.  I am considerably older than Stacey and therefore we didn’t get together after work or on weekends to hang out.  As far as rumored drug use, Stacey did not appear to me under the influence of any illegal drugs.  Her complex was clear, her speech was neither slurred nor fast, her pupils were neither dialed nor constricted, she was coherent, alert and oriented while at work.  I never had any suspicion of it.  Now, if she used illicit drugs outside of work on weekends, and those drugs had metabolized by Monday morning, the signs of drug use would not be so obvious.  Stacey’s had once said that her mother suffered from severe depression and took medication for that, and, sometimes Sue would take to bed for days at a time.  Stacey expressed her concern for how this behavior may affect Emma.  Perhaps Stacey, too, was on antidepressant medication that caused some to assume she was using illegal drugs. 

I never said that Stacey was the victim in this matter, nor did I put blame on anyone else or say that Stacey never did anything wrong.  Obviously, Stacey has no one to blame for her actions but herself, and must endure the consequences.   Stacey made the decision to carry out such heinous acts upon her own flesh and blood, and must be held accountable.  It is simply unacceptable for Stacey to murder Emma, then dispose of her infant daughter like a piece of trash on the side of the highway.  It is simply gut wrenching and despicable.  The purpose of my post was not to glorify Stacey as a human or to take away the severity of her crime, rather it was to provide some insight as to how Stacey was at work, the loving connotations she transmitted to those around her about Emma, and the kind of co-worker she was.  I thought Stacey was a great co-worker to have and from all appearances, loved and cared for Emma very much.  I never would have imagined that she would be in jail right now facing murder charges in the death of her own precious baby. 

I have been reading this board since it started shortly after Emma’s death; I found it by way of Katfish’s blogspot blog.  Regardless of how you feel about my post, and the fact that you think I’m amber (I worked with her, too, but we never conversed much) I think it is wonderful that you ladies continue to report on the case, taking time out of your busy day to do so.  It is unfortunate that there is little media coverage on the case; Emma deserves that at minimum.  She was a beautiful little girl who never had the opportunity to live her life, and I hope there will be some remuneration for that in the form of a verdict. 

Co Worker thanks for clearing up some of the details of your first post and thanks for still following up on Emma's behalf. I imagine anytime the murder of a young child happens, those who felt they knew the accused well, could say they never thought something like this would happen - otherwise they hopefully would have done something to prevent it. sb's brother Nick, said the same thing, the day she was arrested. 

I'm sure the "missed chances" must weigh heavily on the minds of those close to the victims and the accused. As Amber pointed out, no one knows what was going on in sb's mind, while she smothered her daughter - she's right, I doubt I want to know what someone capable of this heinous crime was thinking; because a crime of this nature does not happen in the blink of an eye - it takes several long minutes - minutes she had, that would have allowed her to change her mind! (Not to mention the large dose of Dimetapp Emma had in her system.)

Defense attorneys want the jury to believe infanticide is some sort of tragic accident, (unless they are going with insanity or SODDI) but IMO that is bogus, because that means it could have happened to anyone - so basically all the parents who allowed their children to survive, are just lucky it didn't happen to them too. 

Maybe sb does have some sort of mental disorder, maybe anyone who kills a small child does - but when someone goes to great lengths to hide their actions as sb did - it also means they knew what they were doing was wrong. That is enough for me to know they should be locked up forever, if they are found guilty.

Thank you Co worker for clearing up what you were stating, I did not think it was AB but someone else close to her.

I had the pleasure of speaking to Anthony and his brother Patrick, they among others had the same story, SB used Emma as a pawn in their relationship, he said SB told him if he (AH) was not with her, he or his family could not see Emma, she even told him it was not his child when she was pregnant (this was told to us in a blog from her friend).

Some people from CW/BOA all said her and Anthony were into goth and toned it down for work, that does not make a difference how you dress and I am not saying by any means that a person that is into the Goth lifestile is more likely to commit a crime, we hear she was into drugs, one person points out that she had blisters on her lips in one of the pictures taken in the courtroom the day she was arrested. I can't say that it's true that she was into drugs or not but AB said that once she found out she was pregnant she stopped doing drugs. so I am on the border about the drug use.

I have a Daughter that works at BOA in home loan Collections, so I know it can be stressful. but if a job is that stressful that you can't take it, you look for another less stressful job and chalk that one up to past work history.

SB had a lot of family support, so why should she have had to work late and take extra shifts to pay for a baby crib and other things for Emma, seems her family bent over backwords to help with her with their first Grandchild and Niece. if her mother was so depressed and slept for days at a time how did the mother hold a job and watch Emma? seems to me that her mother was mad at having to be responsible for Emma when SB was out with friends or not working, it does get frustrating caring for your Grandchildren all the time when the parent should be the one doing it! I know personally how that feels, and as her mother I told one of my daughters that I would NOT watch the kids unless it was for work only, Grandmothers are taken advantage of by the younger girls with kids now days, I had to raise mine and put off the "out to dinner or out with friends" unless I got a paid babysitter or until they were old enough to stay alone (well past teens). I did not just go dump them on my mom.

SB may have been a good mother for the short time Emma belonged to her in this world, what happened to cause her to no longer want to be a mother and care for god's gift to her  (no matter if it was a accident or a thought out act) why did she dump Emma and try to hide the fact she was dead is the question on everyone's mind.

anyway girls, The new date is 12/03/10, yesterday was long and boring except for when Cromer and Dager got into it about everything....I am going to give all the info to Kat and let her word the story as she is much better at it then I am LOL...

Dager is a BIG BABY, he pouts and slams doors, holds papers like they were soaking wet..talks about the DA to the family as though he was going to lose his temper with the DA and do something that would get him put in jail...funny stuff!

Kat could you shoot me your phone again...I have CRS. thanks guys....T

Wow........... I just got an eyeful with co-worker.  That is a lot of info on SB, I didnt know it was like that at the workplace.  I had to read back to catch all of the information in the post.  Something really bothers me.

1. Countrywide/BofA only allows 6 minutes on the phone and the employees can be written up or fired if they dont meet their goals?

2. There is a number 288k you have to meet in order for you to keep your collections job?

This would mean that you would have to make a certain quota in order to keep/maintain your job.  This would also mean that there is no human factor here, it is all about the dollar and collecting as much as possible during your phone call, screw the economy, the people and the homes they are attempting to save, just pay or be foreclosed on.  To be honest, its about time to start a page on "homeowners in trouble!"  Its obvious that the lending/servicing institutions really don't give a dam about the American Public at large.  I remember some guy calling me from India about my mortgage in America, I don't mind someone calling me, but from another country, are you f....in kidding me.  You dont own a home here, know our situation here or what caused it...   you cant empathize or sympathize with my situation or anyone else for that matter.  This may explain the current moratorium they have on foreclosure across the country.  Sorry for being of key here.  How is everyone doing?

Wow........... I just got an eyeful with co-worker.  That is a lot of info on SB, I didnt know it was like that at the workplace.  I had to read back to catch all of the information in the post.  Something really bothers me.

1. Countrywide/BofA only allows 6 minutes on the phone and the employees can be written up or fired if they dont meet their goals?

2. There is a number 288k you have to meet in order for you to keep your collections job?

This would mean that you would have to make a certain quota in order to keep/maintain your job.  This would also mean that there is no human factor here, it is all about the dollar and collecting as much as possible during your phone call, screw the economy, the people and the homes they are attempting to save, just pay or be foreclosed on.  To be honest, its about time to start a page on "homeowners in trouble!"  Its obvious that the lending/servicing institutions really don't give a dam about the American Public at large.  I remember some guy calling me from India about my mortgage in America, I don't mind someone calling me, but from another country, are you f....in kidding me.  You dont own a home here, know our situation here or what caused it...   you cant empathize or sympathize with my situation or anyone else for that matter.  This may explain the current moratorium they have on foreclosure across the country.  Sorry for being of key here.  How is everyone doing?

Hi Max....

Yes,  BOA is a hard company to work for, My daughter explained to me that BOA is a strict company to work for, the bathroom breaks at other then your break times cuts into your time because you have to clock out of your dialer and that causes your TIME ADHEARANCE to be off, you have 4 to 8 mins with each customer to try to get them to make a payment or tell them about different programs...if you get stuck on a call it cuts your time adhearance also and you could be written up..all the things CW talked about are true and they can make you lose your bonus too.

I know BOA is bad, I did not doubt CW, I was just unaware of late's being counted as absent after 3.  I was just told the other day that they (BOA) have suspended all forclosuers because their people might not have looked over the records right and started forclosures that should not have been forclosed on.

I really have no Idea how they have anyone working for them with a policy like that for employees, I also think you are right about them being so ruthless with people that cannot pay because of the economy and no damn jobs, it is all about the DOLLAR besides most of the time a house is forclosed on,  it sits empty and vandals trash it causing the bank to have to put more money into it and losing money on it at a auction...

I think the only people that make it in the home loan collections field are the people that don't give a damn about the homeowner and only about their pay check, there is stress in every job but if it is that stressful move on....no amount of money is worth your sanity!

Anyway all I have a long drive ahead of me today so I will close and return later I still have some thoughts on BOA and SB...T

By the way Glad to see you back Max, it has been sometime since you have been here, Syn has not been here in quite some time due to a family medical emergency I am sure she would be glad to know that she is still in our thoughts, I sure do miss her and hope she comes on and updates us on the progress.....best wishes Syn....

No Max, this just seeeeeeems to drag on, as Dager is shooting for every angle to prolong the case and spend more of our money on useless crap....somethings I just can't wrap my head around as to why he wants to do thing he does not need to do, it is just a waste of money and time.....

Anyway I have updated Kat so you will all know shortly what happened on the 13th...ttyl T

I was kind of confused about what Amber put too. I mean, I know I have not been on here as much lately, but I haven't seen anything bad said about her, at least not as of recently? Hmmm....I think you could be right though, Tori. With the trial rapidly (though not rapidly enough--grrr) approaching, emotions are running high, anger is being mis-directed. And you hit the nail on the head with everything you said in your reply to her...I have seen Stacey's family and friends posting other angry blogs on here, and while to a degree, I can understand, here is what I would say to them: My heart is broken for each and every person who was fortunate enough to have Emma in their life, but you need to understand something: None of us are here to cause problems, or show any disrespect to your family, we are here to vent our frustrations, as we have many, and share news. And we are all trying so hard to make sense out of how a mother who supposedly loved her daughter so much, could commit such a senseless and heinous act. Would you rather this story get no attention at all? Don't you think that Emma deserves better than that? Don't you think she deserves to have the public be pissed off about her murder? And as the public, that is our job, because public outrage is a part of what keeps people like Stacey from getting away with murder. As it is, there seems to only be a handful of us who still follow this case so closely. The vast majority of the population forgot about Emma sometime shortly after Stacey was arrested, figuring all is well that ends well, and how sad is that?? The bottom line is, we are here because we care. We care about Emma, and we want nothing more than to see justice served for what was done to her. And I'm sorry if that's so hard for you to understand, but that's how it is. And with all due respect, you can either deal with it, or don't come here and read this stuff, it's as simple as that.

Anyway, to everyone else, how's it going? Max! It's always good to see you here!

Mommy,

You said it great....how can anyone forget that child, she was a beauty with a great smile, to me as I watch my Grandson (same age, born a week or so later) I can picture her doing some of the same things he does, some things are so cute I get a little sad that Emma will not do them and will not dazzle her Grandparents with her laughter, smile, princess playtime (my Grandson's is car playtime) running to the restroom yelling PP,PP,PP tearing off his clothes and sitting on the potty backwards, learning to say (T) rick or (T) reat, play fighting with Papa or in her case Dancing a Princess Waltz with her Papa, wanting to help Grandma cook or have a tea party with...

Mommy,  that's what breaks my heart, she will not do any of the things I just said for anyone.... so, WHY are they mad at us, shouldn't they be mad at SB for taking all that away from them?  

I just can't understand how someone can hurt a child, abuse/murder is so evil and it seems like a epidemic now, once that child is out of the spotlight no one cares anymore they chalk it up to "oh how sad another child hurt or killed, someone else can deal with the aftermath" as long as it's not me! most people are only looking out for #1 today!

It also pisses me offffff that people (her friends and family) talk crap about us and say things like don't you have anything better to do? Get a life, your wisdom is not really a good thing among other things. sure, we all have things to do like take care of our family, teach our kids/Grandkids, cook, clean, work, fellowship with others, but nothing is "better" then being an advocate for a child that was taken away, we MAKE time to remember them, Emma is one of them now and we honor her by keeping her name on our lips, fingertips and in public view, we also blog about other children but no one (family & friends) cares to look for the other blogs to see what is going on with the other abused or murdered children we discuss, it's not a bad thing we do, we want these children's short lives to have a Impact on everyone so they will do something if they suspect something could/ has happened to a child.

It is time we get mad and do something to make these people stop and think before they raise a hand to a child, maybe harsher prison terms...Girls, don't bring your kids into a new relationship and expect the guy to treat them as his own (most won't), don't put them at risk by letting him watch them while you go do things, care for your own child! Dads and Moms if you have a short fuse or cannot listen to a baby cry or whine, or had enough stress for the day and can't deal with your child, call someone and take a break.... don't beat them, overdose them, tie them up and gag them to make them go to sleep CALL FOR HELP, a friend, a neighbor, a family member...call someone please!

Anyway I have said way more then I planned so I will stop and get off my "soap box" lol TTYA later..T

Yes, former Countrywide employees are paid exceptionally well.  Primarily because Countrywide had an excelled step-increase program where you could earn a raise of approximately .50 cents per month for meeting your quotas and not getting any write ups.  By the time I left BofA in December 2009 to work as a social worker for CPS, I was earning $22.64/hr.  When BofA officially took over, they eliminated the monthly raise program and replaced it with a yearly pay-for-performance, which means you have to meet your quota all year in order to get a small pay increase - but even meeting all your quotas for the year does not guarantee that you will get a yearly raise.  The benefits at both Countrywide and BofA are excellent and low cost.  Although I heard BofA has eliminated it for 2011, they use to provide each employee with an annual $600 Health Reimbursement account for individuals and $900 for families which could be used for prescriptions, co-pays and over the counter medical items.

Most employees deal with the stress of working for BofA because it is difficult to find a good paying entry-level job with a set schedule in the Antelope Valley without having a college degree.  The schedules work out great for people who have to arrange for child care or who are attending school.  Also, both full and part timers are offered benefits. 

From the way Stacey explained it, she and Sue would come to blows when the weekend came and Stacey wanted to put Emma to bed and go out to a movie or dinner with her boyfriend at the time, a young man who worked in Customer Service.  Apparently, according to Stacey, Sue felt that Stacey was not being a good mother by putting her daughter to bed and then going out for the night.  I imagine that Sue was also off from Deluxe on the weekend and although she loved Emma very much, I can imagine that she was tired from playing wife, mother, and babysitter all week and wanted to enjoy herself on her days off without needing to be on call to babysit. Sue had tried to make the point that Stacey needed to be at home with Emma whether she was asleep or not, because Emma needed her.  I don't disagree with Sue at all, regardless of her reasoning.  Once motherhood arrives, responsibilities change - and your child comes first; gone are the days of partying and late nights.  I don't think Stacey accepted the fact that her life had changed once Emma was born and  viewed her mothers advice as an attack on her as a parent. 

I can't say for sure, but I think Stacey met Brenden Borelli, Team Leader Mary Borelli's son at a New Years Eve Party, and it seems that Sue and Stacey had more disagreements about Stacey's "going out" during this time, so perhaps Stacey was taking more advantage of her mother's generosity in babysitting Emma with regard to her relationship with Brenden that she did in her prior relationship with the young man from Customer Service.

It's unfortunate that the Barker family gives the evil eye to you ladies that attend the hearings in order to report on the case.  It was Stacey who committed such an unthinkable act, no one else, and the public has a right to know.  While one can have compassion on the fact that they have lost their beloved granddaughter/niece, their behavior is extremely immature and completely uncalled for.

CW,

Again thanks for commenting and becoming a member, I want to say thanks for also taking the time to answer some of our questions.

I do know how Mrs.Barker felt about if the child was asleep, SB was still responsible to be there with her, it is her child...I feel the same way, I refuse to watch any of my daughters kids for them to go out and party, dinner and a movie a baseball game now and then yes I do watch them ....I love all my Grandchildren very much (all 11 of them) but I am not a full time babysitter, I have things to do also and party is not one of them, I respect Mrs.Barker for trying to teach her daughter the real way of life when you have a child, my oldest daughter had her first child and use to get upset when I would tell her how to dress the child (for the weather) and how and when to feed her (feeding solids for the first time) she would think that I was trying to control her and the baby, she did not care for it at all but after she and her husband moved into their own place, she called me 20 times a day asking for advice on one thing or another....she now knew how much she didn't know or how much help she was getting from us (me, her dad and sisters) she loves babies and went on to have 5 total, she is a great Mother and has had little to no help (husband works hard) caring for them as she lives far from us now, she still calls me and asks about colds, fevers, childhood aches and pains....she will make a Good Granny LOL she had a good teacher, (her kids range from 16-9) so in a few years her older 2 may start a family of their own...

I did hear from someone that use to attend court and who's daughter is friends with BB, that things did change when she started dating BB, she did not go into details but her expression was not good...

AB said that they knew BB from High School and she saw him again, that the mother worked at BOA/CW maybe that is how they hooked up again...I think he worked someplace that had a bar, maybe she wanted to go out and see him at the bar when Emma was sleeping and Mrs. Barker did not like that she might have been going to a bar, staying out late and not really worried about her child because Mom, Dad or brothers were there at home if anything happened or Emma woke up, we all know how we as Mothers sleep uneasy and worried when our kids are out at night and we don't sleep good until they are safe at home, well it is double that when you are also listening for a baby, I think that maybe it was taking a toll on Mrs. Barker, babysitting while SB was at work and then out having fun while Emma was sleeping, then having to go to work herself on top of all that, that is why they had the argument when Mrs.Barker told her she would only watch Emma while SB was at work!

My thoughts are the same as yours we should not be met with anger from the family, we are there to find out about the story that shocked our community then turned out to be a lie, the news had nothing for a long period of time on it so we go to update what the news does not. it is also about the Justice for a child, I doubt she will get the punishment she deserves but at least she will do some time in her cell with memories of Emma and what really happened that day!

TTYL Tori

Hi All,

Another thing I was thinking about, the Family of SB'S attitude with us, was that if someone else had taken Emma's life and we did all the things we do now....their attitude would be different towards us, what we do and what we blog about.. If we wanted Justice for someone else, picked apart their lie's and reported on what they had done and how bad they must be, Gave our time to attend court dates, gave gifts and flowers on her Birthday in rememberance of this sweet little girl, They would apperiacate us and think we were some of the best people around but because it is their family member that has caused them shame, we are the bad guys and don't deserve to be in the court along side of them!

anyway girls and guys I will talk to ya all later. T

First  and foremost, let me just say I miss and love my great-niece, EMMA, every day of my life and so does the rest of my family, including her mother, STACEY.  On November 1st there was finally a post I could respond to: “interesting how it is all a matter of perception... “ I have in writing from the very beginning of this case that the father of EMMA  looked clean-cut and didn’t have “tats.”  Hmmm, I’m thinking he was wearing a long-sleeved shirt, and your perception was wrong!”  Boy, did he fool you!  I refuse to say anything bad about Anthony, because that would quite frankly hurt Stacey’s case.  Don’t get me wrong.  I love Emma’s Dad and appreciated everything he was going through and is going through today (but when I say “what he was and is going through“ don‘t presume to know what I‘m referring to).  However, what I can say, is the person who saw him in the hearing that he showed up to, they definitely did not have the right perception according to your “oh, so accurate, website.” Let’s talk about the response to uncle‘s response ”"She is a beautiful Baby that now knows no pain?: And a response from the blog, “did she experiance PAIN in her short life? Maybe you just picked the wrong words!”  Do you read the BIBLE?  Uncle was paraphrasing, if I may, from Romans 21:4: “He may wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no tear from their eyes, and the shall be no more death or mourning, crying out or pain, for the former world has passed away.”  I ask you this?  Did he pick the wrong words? And to further that comment, “Did anyone (even at 1 ½ ) not experience pain like maybe some “hurt feelings, or a scrape on the knee?”  Your perception of what uncle said is quite intriguing and amazing, or at least your interpretation of it, but believe what you want to believe.  My point is this.  You are interpreting everything you see, read, and decipher in quite simply a different manner, to please your own agenda. I could make additional comments from the past blogs, but I will not.  I want my niece to receive a “fair and impartial trial.”  You’ve heard it before on TV shows.  Well, in real life, you are supposed to be presumed “innocent until proven guilty.”  Do not presume to be educated by the news or the newspapers.  Because in today’s day, if you say that, you are quite naïve.  We will go to trial and see what happens, and even though I say this is my one and only response to this nonsensical website; I will take the liberty, as my GOD given right as an individual to make one last comment in the end. YOU SAY AND I’M PARAPHRASING, “IF IT PAINS YOU SO MUCH THEN WHY READ THIS?”  GEE, I DON’T KNOW MAYBE IT’S BECAUSE SOMEONE’S  CRONIES SEND US (“THE FAMILY”) LINKS TO READ THIS CRAP! You can presume to understand because you’ve lost a love one, and for that I am truly sorry for the loved one you lost, and the pain it gave to you.  However, you don’t understand what “the family” is going through.  You can say I would never attend a court hearing for someone whose done something like this in “your family;” but what if you believed they were innocent, then, what?  Would you sit back and watch people who have nothing better in their lives than to judge others?  Would you defend them?  If you have a close-nit family you would.  And by the way, what you have been given to this point is maybe ¼ of the evidence. All I ask, from anyone including the one I have quoted most on this site, is don’t address my family, or Amber.  Please, for once in your life, have that kind of respect!  Say what you will about Stacey and Emma, Stacey doesn’t see it because she’s in jail, and Emma, well she knows the truth.  But have enough respect for my family not to blast them.  And if you say, “I haven’t blasted the family.”  I will come back with an even bigger vengeance and response to a long response back in July.  Delete as you will, it is saved.  I will protect my family and defend them. Just to stick a steak in it, we have lost another family member that was ONLY 46 to  natural causes.  OUR FAMILY has been through hell and back, and whether you understand it or not we support Stacey100%.  And we are in the intercircle, we know more than you presume to know.  Please have enough respect to not address anyone else in MY FAMILY and try to  rip them apart (look at the July response after Auntie‘s for my plea).  The parents and grandparents (or grandparents and great-grandparents) of Emma are still trying to heal.  I’m not saying the rest of the family is not in the same or close to the same boat, what I’m saying is they are the most fragile (and quite frankly the oldest) have some respect.  Were you not taught when you were younger to respect your elders?  Well, since you know now, that some freakin creeps are sending the website to the entire family, could you please just tone it down?  PLEASE!

I've been reading here and would like to "take the liberty" to make a comment. I'm an impartial party here, but from reading some of these posts, I in no way think that Auntie or her family were wronged or disrespected by anyone. It seems to be the other way around. Auntie also seems to be threatening the ones on this site, (because they care about a baby who should still be alive) that she'll be back with an even bigger vengeance. Oh my!

AUNTIE SAYS..... I miss and love my great-niece, EMMA, every day of my life and so does the rest of my family, including her mother, STACEY.

I guess that would be what you call a "Mother who just loved her child to death."

AUNTIE ALSO SAYS....Do not presume to be educated by the news or the newspapers.  Because in today’s day, if you say that, you are quite naïve.

I think it's quite naive to support someone who was ARRESTED and CHARGED with the death of their baby, and be 100% sure that that person is innocent. I suppose you think that Casey Anthony is innocent and that "Zanny the Nanny" is to blame. 

I still haven't read anything on here where THE FAMILY has been "blasted", but if anyone had, isn't that their "God given right to make a comment"?
I bet AUNTIE'S favorite quote is "Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord."

P.S. By the way, I'm not part of any inner circle.