Stacey Barker....Will It Be A Plea In March Or A Trial In April?

Good write. Ok, so am I understanding that on the 22nd, there could be a possible plea entry from Stacey?

That is my understanding of it Mommy. The state and defense have to work out a plea between them and then present it to the judge. He has final say. I wonder if that is why SB's parents attended this hearing? Did they think the plea was going to be made? Like Tori said, if the defense made an offer of a plea to the state(their call) it would need to be a good one before Kelly Cromer would agree to it. The state has a lot of evidence against her; however, given the State's financial crisis they might be willing to deal to save the expense of a trial. We'll see soon.

So, because of the budget crisis, is there really is a chance that she could walk away from this with nothing more than a slap on the hand?

7Mom Yes this is what we fear.  According to some folks close to the matter, the state offered a deal before the holidays that was turned down - I hate even saying turned down because it was barely acknowledged.  

PD Dager had cards up his sleeve he still wanted to play - it appears that his hand was  empty as sb's mind set when she didn't take Emma to the park that day. Because we have seen nothing from him, that looks like he has anything as a way of a defense - so far all he has done is b!tch and moan about states evidence. Of course since we are not in trial yet he has had no need to show us anything but IMO WTH do you use as a defense when someone over medicates a baby then goes for a long drive and comes home alone.

I can think of lots of things that make people do stoopid things - but none seem to apply here. sb had none of the typical strife a young, single - mom might use as a reason for "snapping".  She had a roof over her head, food on the table - she had no reason to believe her child might end up out in the hungry and alone, out in cold.  But what she did have was a family that bent over backwards, to help her care for her child and a new boyfriend who wasn't interested in changing his single status. A guy who had been warned about sb's ways of trying to use men and the desire to find a baby daddy. He wasn't interested in going there. He even said as much to LASD's when interviewed.

On 3-17 sb and her "man" go out to party with the green - sb makes it home to bed on 3-18 - just about in time to rumple her sheets - then heads off to work. Unknown to her family she didn't go to work she went back to her "man," then at the usual hour, comes home pretending to have put in her usual 8 hours. She and her mom have words about sb failing to care for her child. So sb (after giving Emma a lunch-able for dinner) tells her brother she was taking Emma to the park. The rest is history.

sb musing on her MS account about Emma being taken by GOD to be a flower for his garden - that would work if Emma had been ill, if there was an accident but when an adult holds a hand over their 18 month old babies face then leaves that precious baby along side the freeway - out of fear of people judging her a BAD MOTHER... 

I have a bad feeling about this one. SB is gonna walk on this with minimum jail time - less than 5 years. My gut isn't wrong very often. It's like no one want's to see SB pay for the life of Emma. Emma's gone so let's save Stacey, I guess that's the logic here.It breaks my heart...

It's good to see you here, Max!

I think you are right about this one. But, let's look at the flip side of this-shall we?

Let's say five years from now (give or take), Stacey Barker is released from jail. Think about the way she will be treated by her family and friends, and anyone else who knew her...Including her Brother, Nick, who as I understand it, hates her now. Having to watch them all cry over Emma as I am almost certain that they still do. The likelihood of her getting any kind of a job ('Yes, I have committed a felony, but allow me to explain: I suffocated my eighteen month old baby, because I was afraid she was going to end up a single mom like me. And then I dumped her body somewhere in Sylmar because I didn't want people to think I was a bad mom'). The way the public will treat her, at least those of us who remember what happened to Emma, those of us who will NEVER forget. And last but not least, will the boyfriend be waiting on the other side of those prison gates when she comes out? And either way, do you really think she is going to be able to find anyone who would want to have any kind of a REAL relationship with her now? Anyone who will dare try and have children with her? What I am getting at is this: Maybe being protected in the confinement of prison walls is not the place for her. Maybe what needs to happen is for her to come out and have to really face it all. The memories, the heartache, the shame and humiliation, the countless lives that she has destroyed with her selfishness. If it's right there in her face 24/7, maybe THAT is more of a punishment than being in prison.

Hello Max!

Hope this finds you well! I don't have a gut feeling about how this will turn out but I know what you mean. Do you really think the reason she may receive a light sentence is because noone cares let's just save Stacey, or is there more to it...such as finances, lack of direct evidence, etc.?

7XMommy,

I don't think the Barker family will ever forget what was done to Emma but people often make excuses for their loved ones horrific behavior....such as the only reason she did this is because she is sick....so they might forgive her.

 At the end of the day we will all have to live with whatever sentence she receives, even if we don't accept it. I would never hire her, or Casey Anthony, or George Anthony or Cindy Anthony. George and Cindy didn't kill Caylee but their behavior has been horrific....believe it or not I would hire Cindy before George but that's another blog. LOL

I see what you mean, Kat, about people making excuses for the people that they love. It's human nature after all, and I understand to an extent as I cannot imagine how I would handle my child who I love more than life itself, killing their own child. That is unfathomable to most people, and those who have to live it...Well, there are just no words. But, I totally agree with you. The way the Anthony's have made countless excuses for Casey and what she did to Caylee is dispicable. It's one thing to continue to love your child. You are a bad parent if you don't. It's something else to ask the community to support her as though she did nothing wrong, and SHE is the victim in this situation. That's insane. What confuses me is why would Casey Anthony get the death penalty, and Stacey be released after a few years or even a full life sentence should that be what she receives? Wasn't what they did the same thing? Granted, Stacey told the police where Emma was, where Casey led them on a goose chase for months and months, but is that enough to make that big of a difference in their sentences? Is it a state thing?

A7XM-

This is exactly why I am against the death penalty. I agree with the death penalty in theory but not with the random way it is imposed in this country. It is a state thing. Comparing Casey and Stacey, if Stacey was charged with 1st degree murder she would be eligible for the death penalty too. I believe they both have the same aggravating charges that would be needed to seek death. Stacey is charged with 2nd degree, I think because they don't think it was premeditated.

I hope the state won't agree to a slap on the hand plea deal for Stacey. The Barkers have handled this the way I would hope I would. We don't really know how much they are supporting Stacey because they stay quiet to the public. IMO that is smart. The Anthonys really helped to incite the hatred for Casey to the level it is.

In my opinion, I think the Barkers are being smart about it as well. Maybe it's because they feel that adding the public and the media would only add to their grief. I believe that it would.

Hey all. Glad ya came over for a peek Max...nice to see ya. I think that was the problem she had a family that bent over backwards to help her and never made her be responsiable in the mothering department.... This one judge sentenced a guy to wear a sign around his neck stating that he robbed people and made him stand on a busy street corner at the time of heavy traffic! that was great! Lets make a sign for her....I commited infancide (sp) and make her stand on the side of the road for everyone to see...that would be a lot better then her in jail making new friends that braid her hair for her and getting 3 hots and a cot.... Yeah Boyfriend I think he will dump her once she is ready to be released if she goes on trial and is found guilty and spends any amount of time inside jail! ttys...T

I'm anxious to know what happened this morning!!! I am so sorry I couldn't make it today guys. I went out of town this weekend, and it ended up being an insanely late night for my family last night. So late that my kids went in to school at 9:30, when it starts at 8:00. I'm bummed that I couldn't be there, so please post as soon as you can! :) Hope you guys had a good morning in court.

Hi all

sorry it took so long to put up what happened but had a load of things to do after court.

OK it is trailed til 4/12 now....For Judge Z wanting not to bring her back so much she is here every 2 weeks to just trail it for another 2 weeks.

NO DEAL OFFERED TODAY, I don't think it was what Cromer wanted because they were trying to debate something with each other in the Jury seating box...

It took 4 hours because Cromer went to another court to do closing arguments on another case she was on and by the time she got back it was time for lunch.

SB'S Maternal Grandparents and Paternal Grandfather were there as usual, I think the other woman was her Maternal Aunt, she looks like SB'S mom. NO BB AGAIN, I wonder if he got a day job now and cannot make it anymore?

Dager had said he wanted to present a motion for SB to get a white Tee shirt.....Judge said well what kind of Tshirt and PD said just a plain white one...we were going to try for a IN N OUT but we didn't think you would go for it...laughing!

SB came out hair brushed in a ponytail, FULL MAKE UP, SMILING AND GRINNING AT HER FAMILY......what is up with that? she also answered the Judges Question Loud and cheery like....(his Q was do you understand) YES .

PD wants the PHONE EVIDENCE from the jail to be transcribed with names of who it is saying what...

PD was asking for 3/29 return but Judge Z said they might need more time to transcribe it so it would be on the 12th.

Kelly got in a few digs at Dager about the names....

During one of the dead times everyone was waiting for Cromer, Dager was talking to the family from a distance because he was chatting with the other DA Gonzalez....well he said This is my sister-in-law, really she is, so I have to be nice to her....and we never discuss our cases.. how is it that they can be on opposing sides and be related? Judge Chung will hear NOTHING from his brother because of that? I think I have heard Dager and Gongalez do some cases in Zackey's courtroom, I could be wrong but I don't think so.

Kelly came in and it was so friggen funny, she is like a down home farm girl type.....she is trying to get into the area that the Jury sits in to talk to Dager and she has a donut in a napkin, it drops out of the napking and says "oh shoot" she picks it up and blows it off. said something like 2 second rule...as she is blowing it off she gets the cooled flaky glaze all over the Aunt and Granny and in the Aunts purse that is sitting on the floor...everyone kinda laughed out loud except the Aunt and Granny and then Kelly ate it! dager said Oh no I can't believe she ATE it! well he said that after she left!

We were talked about and glared at again by Granny (to the aunt) the Grandpa's also stared a bit...

Hey Nurse did the weather report say storms today??? LOL you know bout that! a life preserver and Floods.

that was about all....I wonder if they are going to try to say what ever she said on the taped phone calls was not SB but someone who sounds like her... a friend maybe that might sound like SB? it showed in her attitude that she has some hope of that working for her...

Judge Z closed with he expects Trial to start soon after the 12th. (0 of 60)

If You remember anything Nurse please write it down you know me and little details, I remember the strange stuff...LOL

TTY all later T

Either way, I cannot think of a punishment appropriate enough for her. Just to hear that she was all happy and hopeful and made up really pisses me off. I mean, I know I said in a previous post that maybe it would be better if she got out than to have to sit in jail to have to really face the after-math of Emma's death, but really...Where is the justice here? Does no one give a rat's ass about that baby? I just don't understand. I see where there may be some logic (if that's what you would call it) in the whole 'Emma's gone, so let's save Stacey' concept. But, are they forgetting that Stacey is the one who took her away? And who is her PD, what is wrong with this guy? Who agrees to defend someone like that? I'm sorry. This whole thing just really gets me. I almost want to stop following up on all of it, because I am so afraid that in the end, Emma's senseless murder is going to go un-just. And the thought of that is just too much.

Thanks Tori! Sounds like a long day!

Was Tiffany Diamond there today? Did she say if she got the info I sent her?

So do I understand you correctly...4/12 will be 0 of 60 but there is no trial date set? Just soon after? geesh!

I don't think there should be any question SB was one part of those phone conversations....I guess I can understand the duh-fense wanting to know who was on the other end.....but it shouldn't be hard to prove.

I wonder why SB was so perky today and groomed....confidence or maybe trying to make an impression on her aunt. I wonder if the aunt (?) is local?

Is it me or was Dager being buddy buddy to Cromer today...teasing her about the donut? Was his SIL still in the court? I wonder if his bro is an attorney too? Anyone know?

Was the t-shirt request for in the jail, or court?

When you said no deal offered today...not what Cromer wanted....did you mean the deal was not acceptable to the state? I know it's a dumb question but just want to clarify. 

Hi AllI was a bit miffed that she was so cheerful and made up, just days ago was 1 year since she did that horrible thing to Emma...shouldn't she be showing some remorse and not cheer?    I am wondering if BB is on the wit list and is not allowed to come to court anymore?I have seen the woman that I think is the aunt at the prelim but that was the only other time, so I have no idea  if  she is local.Well when Cromer and Dager were talking  in the jury box I think Dager might have told her what kind of deal he wanted to make and she might have said no to his terms..so that is why they did not put a offer on the table, can't say that is what happened but that was the feel of it as they (Cormer and Dager) were sort of talking above a muffle and the bailiff had to shush them....The DA Gonzalez (I think her first name is Paula) is always in Z'S court....this is the first time we have heard she is his SIL..   No Kat TD did not go yesterday, her family had the flu and she had to take care of all of them.well ttya later T

Thanks T! You don't just remember the strange stuff....I know how hard it is from personal experience. Nurse anything you can add is appreciated. Everyone perceives info differently, so very possible you focused on different things that were happening. I watched a trial the other day in InSession, a vehicular homicide from road rage, there were 12 witnesses some from the same cars and every single one had different testimony, even the ones who didn't have a dog in the fight.....wouldn't want to be that jury. I suppose ya just disregard all eye witnesses and go with the expert tesimony in a case like that.

TD sent me an e-mail last night....hate that flu....just pass it around. Nice thing about just the 2 of us here.  He gets the flu and I say...stay away from me...LOL works both ways.

TTYL

kat

wow how can she do this to her child i thought i knew her but i guess i was very wrong ... we spent time together @lunch talking about emma damn i can not get over it

PPEREZ,

There is no doubt that Stacey dumped Emma's body...she led the police to her. She has yet to be convicted for killing her, although there should be a trial soon. We'll see. Very sad.

Have you read the post of the preliminary hearing? A detective testified about statements Stacey made to police...pretty grim.  :`(

Here is a link:

http://my.nowpublic.com/culture/judge-rules-stacey-barker-will-go-trial-murder-emma

PPerez,

I also hear a lot of people say that same thing... most of the people that she worked with have the same view of her and it is not good, one of her friends from work defends her but that is one so far,  many that worked with her paint her as cold and selfish, I can't understand how so many people have the same comments about her except one...well one that we know of, no one else has come on here to dispute what the others have said about her.

Do you also know Anthony, Emma's father? he use to work there also..he was torn apart by this. I feel for him and hope he is coping with all that has happened.

Did you notice when she got a new boyfriend if she started to change? did she speak of Emma less and him more? I have a feeling that this was planned or at least thought about before it ever happened...someone (that works there) told me they took her computer hard drive from work, I wonder if she was looking up ways to make it look like a acccident.

All in all Emma spent almost 2 years making her grandparents and uncles smile and laugh, she was the light of their life and that is the saddest part of this story, a selfish psychopath put that light out for everyone...

I was told (in regards to Anthony) that he ended up staying in some sort of in-house to help him cope with his anger, sadness, and nightmares. From what I understand, he is not coping with it very well AT ALL. He may still be in there, I am not sure. And at the sake of sounding like I am gossiping, I am also not sure how reliable my source is on this, as I did not witness it first hand. I know someone who says they are very close friends with Anthony's ex girlfriend, who was dating him at the time he went in. I feel for him as well, in fact, I think just as much as I feel for the Barkers. I can't imagine how hard this must be on him.

Wow a7xMommy that is something that I have not heard of, He stopped coming to court after the prelim because of all the ugly things he heard from the Det on the stand about Emma and the way she was smothered.

I spoke to him and his brother Patrick that day at the prelim and he had to walk away to sob...I was heartbroken for him...Patrick told me that she SB kept Emma from his family and Anthony and used her as a tool against him, their (anthony's) mom was also torn apart from the testimony from Det. Nava, the mother has not shown up for court again.

I hope if it is true he gets better soon...I knew this was going to be the hardest thing he has had to deal with in his life...see how one person effects so many with the things they chose to do....awful..just awful.

ttys T

Awww, that is so sad to hear that Anthony is having such a hard time. Even if he isn't at an  inhouse facility now, I'm sure he is suffering. I'm pretty sure Anthony was at the (2 day) preliminary hearing. Tori can speak about that if she wants, I don't think Anthony has come to any hearings after that, can't say that I blame him, he heard more than enough over those 2 days. I would like to hear what PPerez has to say about the questions Tori posed.

Justice for Emma!

T, you're here! Hello! I just missed you...great minds think alike! ;)