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Stacy Barker Trial To Get Under Way? Will It Be April or May?
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by katfish | April 27, 2011 at 08:11 pm
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Stacy Barker Murder Trial Set To Get Under Way? Will it be April or Will It Be May?
Stacey Barker is a 26 year old Quartz Hills, CA woman accused of killing her 18 month old daughter 2 years ago. During this time, friends of Katfish....Ponders have been attending the pretrial hearings and sharing what they see and hear. Once again I want to thank these caring women Toria, Ange, Tiffany Diamond, ANurse, and LeftCoastMom for taking time out of their busy lives to attend the hearings.
Anyone who has been following this case will understand the reason I wrote the title to this post as a question, there has been a lot of delays...trial dates set and postponed, failed plea deal negotiations, and more, more, more delays. I'm to the point that I won't believe this trial is happening until I know that a jury has been seated. What I want to do in this post is update you on some recent hearings and what we do know about the (alleged) upcoming trial. :)
~ Case Background ~
On March 18, 2009 at about 11:00 P.M., Stacey Barker's brother Nick made a 911 call to report his sister was at a Park n Ride (PnR) in Palmdale, CA and needed assistance. He reported his sister had called him for help. We don't know exactly what Stacey told her brother when she called him, but he and her (then?) boyfriend Brendon were already at the PnR when police arrived 3 minutes after the 911 call.
Precious Emma Leigh Barker Stacey Barker told police she was attacked as she was loading her 18 month old daughter, Emma Leigh Barker, into her car at the Lancaster, CA city park (after playtime). Barker reported the next thing she can recall was "coming to" 6 hours later at the Palmdale PnR about 15 miles from the Lancaster park, and realized she was injured, only partially clothed, and her baby,, Emma, was missing....Detectives said that Barker did have injuries consistent with a struggle, including bruises on her head and was taken to the hospital for treatment.
Authorities say after making various inconsistent statements, Barker finally admitted making up the abduction story and inflicting the wounds on herself. She said Emma died accidentally, but fearing she would be blamed for Emma's death, she panicked and left her daughter's body in some tall grass near a freeway. Some 12 hours later, Barker led police to Emma’s body, where she had dumped her, in a grassy lot near the Golden State Freeway in Sylmar, CA.
On April 23, 2009 Barker was arrested at her grandparents home, where she had reportedly began staying sometime after Emma's death. She has been incarcerated at the Central Regional Detention Center since her arrest. Barker was appointed a public defender, Roberto F. Dager(RD). Her bail was set at 1 million dollars. The charges filed against the young mother include Second-Degree Murder, Assault on a Child Causing Death and one count of Child Abuse. The complaint alleges that Barker willfully caused and permitted the child to be injured and harmed and that injury resulted in death. The state of California alleges that Barker suffocated her daughter. Stacey Barker(SB) formally entered a not guilty plea to all counts on August 12, 2009. Representing the state in this case is Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney S. "Kelly" Cromer(KC). The judge overseeing this case is Superior Court Judge Hayden Zackey (JZ).
~ Recent Case Developments ~
Even though there has been a number of hearings in the last month in preparation for trial, there really hasn't been much new to report until last week. To be honest the hearings have mainly consisted of a lot of bickering between the state and the defense over discovery, witnesses and outstanding motions....normal trial stuff although I'm surprised a lot of this wasn't completed long ago. Judge Zackey has been more than liberal...in my opinion ...especially with the defense. If Stacey Barker is convicted, she shouldn't have grounds to appeal based on ineffective counsel. Mr Dager has provided her with a very vigorous defense and filed every kind of motion you can think of. As a true crime and trial junkie, Katfish ponders has often wondered if law school includes a course on whining...if that course is offered, Roberto Dager was probably his teacher's pet. LOL!
This is what Tori had to say about the hearing on March 24, "Another slow ride on the Justice train, although Kelly makes it worth the wait, she is Awesome!"
I don't think Ms. Cromer would mind if I referred to her as a bulldog (She is a dog breeder and active in dog shows in her personal life). From what the girls tell me, Cromer doesn't give Dager an inch, and if she has to bark loud to be heard over Dager's whining she lets it rip. Perhaps a more tactful way to put it is they are both "passionate" about their adversarial roles. LOL!
The "debates" between the state and defense at this hearing were primarily about expert witnesses for both parties. Kelly Cromer asked Roberto Dager (once again) about getting a report from Dr. Harry Bonnell.
Dager told the court that Cromer has talked to Bonnell and she knows what he is going to say.
KC said "Dr. Bonnell was supposed to be here for a "402" your honor"
JZ asks RD, " Where is he?"
Dager replied, " I am not going to have him come here from San Diego just for this special occasion".(We didn't understand that remark??) RD continued," I want to know why you are singling me out. I thought you were going to do a 402 with Ribe too? She knows everything I know!."
KC said, " Your honor, does he expect this court to believe he does not know what his own witness is going to testify to? He is just trying to stall the case and drag his feet again and I would ask the court that if I don't have what Dr.Bonnell is going to testify to, that he be excluded as a witness.
JZ said, "Mr. Dager, just have Dr. Bonnell write a small report and give it or email it to KC."
(According to my notes, KC was asking RD for Dr. Bonnell's report as far back as February 2010. At that time RD told the court, that Dr. Bonnell, a Forensic Pathologist will testify there are tests that Dr. Ribe (Los Angeles County Deputy Coroner James K. Ribe) failed to perform on Emma that would change the cause and manner of death but wouldn't elaborate.)
Next RD said something about KC talking to Dr.Ribe about the mistakes she said Dr. Ribe made...oooooohhhh she (KC ) yelled," I DID NOT SAY HE MADE ANY MISTAKES! YOUR HONOR WHAT I SAID WAS I FOUND SOMETHING IN THE REPORT THAT I MISSED, BUT IT WAS THERE THE ENTIRE TIME! I do not want it in the press that I said Dr. Ribe made a mistake! RD knows that is not what I said, but he wants to say that in court so people will think that is what was said, and no, I have not talked to the Dr. at this time.
There was some other discussions about discovery and another witness but what I have told you so far should give you an idea about how this hearing went. Cromer and Dager did not agree on ANYTHING!
Judge Zackey told the parties he has a trial the rest of the week so the next hearing will be on 4/1, then he'll rule on the motions that were brought up earlier in the case. (?) The judge said he wants to set the trial date for the week of April 4th, noting that might change if the trial he has in progress goes longer and the hearing was over.
The April 1 hearing started out with Judge Zackey telling Roberto Dager and Kelly Cromer that today they will all act professionally......adding he was glad he had DECAF today. ( Emphasis mine.This judge has been very lenient IMO )
Kelly Cromer told the court that Dr.Bonnell still hasn't given his statement and he's not here today as the court ordered, so she asks that Dr. Bonnell be excluded as a witness. Judge Zackey told Dager to call Dr.Bonnell and ask him to submit the report.
RD said " I AM NOT GOING TO CALL HIM". The state knows what I know. They have talked to him, they know what he is going to say. I am not going to call him.
JZ asked RD, "So...are you going to be calling him as a witness?" RD said, " I can't say yet."
JZ told RD, " It sounds like you are not going to use him as a witness."
JZ then asked if Dr. Bonnell was going to say something different then Dr.Ribe?
RD told the judge," Dr. Bonnell will say the same thing as Dr. Ribe, that there is no conclusive cause of death."
KC said, "I am tired of him misstating the facts your honor! Dr.Ribe has a cause and manner of death and it's in the the Coroners report."
RD said, " Dr.Ribes opinion was influenced by the Sheriff's office and they led him to conclude the manner of death was a homicide."
JZ told RD he will have to give KC a statement from DB by 1:30PM today or he is going to start imposing sanctions per sec 1054..he goes on to outline sanctions that can be imposed.....
We don't know what RD objected to but he said he vigorously OBJECTS to that! JZ said," I'll tell you what I'll do, I'll have my reporter put it in the Record in BOLD and UNDERLINED that you OBJECT! (Yep, good thing he had decaf )
We're not sure who brought it up, but the conversation shifts....there are two 6 pack photo line ups that a witness has made an ID on. The person(s) who was identified in the photo line ups was reportedly at the Park n Ride on March 18. RD said something about a conspiracy and asks why is this just being brought up now? Dager tells the court he wants copies of the 6 packs and some phone records. The state contends there was a flurry of text messages they want in at trial. JZ said that he would sign a order for the phone company to give Dager the records within a week.
Tori said she doesn't know if BB (Stacey's boyfriend) got a phone call or had to use the restroom, but he got up and left the courtroom when this discussion about PnR was brought up, he did, however, come right back. There will be more discussion about this photo lineup at a future hearing.(BB hasn't attended another hearing since....which wouldn't necessarily be remarkable, except that he has attended nearly every hearing up to this point.)
Discussion returns to Dr. Bonnell. Judge Zackey tells both sides they will go "In Camera". The judge, the court reporter, and both sides leave for a bit. When they come back, JZ asks RD," OK, so you will not be calling Dr. Bonnell as a witness, is that right?" RD said, " No, I will not be calling Dr. Bonnell.....
JZ said that the next court date is 4/11 adding they have 10 days to start the trial from that date. JZ thinks that jury selection may take more than the 1 or 2 days ( the norm?) , but the trial he is in right now is going at a snails pace so he doesn't mention an actual date for the trial to start..(T, did I get this right from your notes?)
JZ is about to wrap up the hearing when RD said, " There are 2 defense witnesses in the court today." JZ asked them to stand and state their names and spell them for the court reporter. One is Amber Barela, a friend and co-worker of Stacey. We don't know why she is on the witness list. Earlier in the case she commented at a few forums in defense of Stacey, but made it clear she has absolutely no idea what was going on with Stacey around the time Emma died.(We've heard they were fighting) The other witness is Jennifer Goodnight, a supervisor over Amber and Stacey at Bank Of America.
Kelly Cromer said, " I want to state for the record the witnesses are seated with the Barker family...so Roberto Dager shoots back...."I want to note one is wearing Gray and one wearing black." Dager then told the court that he hasn't spoke to these witnesses yet and he wants to talk to them after the hearing is over. KC said she wanted to speak with them as well. This hearing is over....minus one expert, for sure...plus 2 defense witnesses? who knows...were they expected to testify to something today? and no trial date....yet.
The April 11 hearing was short and sweet in more ways than one. Short because it didn't take long, sweet because it was short, but more notably because Kelly Cromer and Roberto Dager were being nice to each other...
JZ calls the attorneys to the bench and they have a talk for about 10 minutes. After the attorneys returned to their tables, JZ calls "going on the record" and right away confirmed with both attorneys that the trial is going to be assigned to his courtroom and he would be the judge on the trial. Is that correct RD? Yes! Is that correct KC? Yes! Okay so we have established that it will be here. (Hmmm...can't tell you what that was about, whether there was an issue or if this is just procedure?)
JZ said that the bus from the jail is having problems, so we have no inmates yet. Dager agreed to waive his client's right to be present. Zackey said "We'll come back on 4/13 to finish up on the motions, 402's and discovery. I want to start jury selection by the 18th adding, I think it will take a few days and a lot of jurors will be dismissed so I am ordering 60 to start with."
JZ told RD to give the Massiah Motion (that you have written up) to KC today. KC said she will be in her office until 6 tonight, so if RD could get it to her before then it would be great, adding he tends to come in at 4:30 on the dot to give her things...JZ said you both know each others office numbers so you can get in touch by calling...RD said he would give her his cell # as well.( Several days were spent questioning witness and arguing the Massiah Motion. The only reason I can think of for giving it to the state now is that they agreed to some revisions. ??)
KC said that she still hadn't gotten some of the defense witness's statements so she will ask to exclude them at next hearing.
RD wanted to confirm the court would be ruling on his Change Of Venue, Media Exclusion and Massiah Motions at the next hearing..(The judge ruled against the COV motion earlier in the case, so the defense must have made another COV motion, but given the statements at the beginning of today's hearing that this case would stay it Zackey's court... it is confusing)
Judge Zackey said....so everyone is ready for trial? Mr.Dager? Yes. Ms.Cromer? Yes. Zackey replied, "OK, see you here on the 13th." This hearing was over
There was a lot of information covered in April 13 hearing. The state has 7 or 8 and the defense 38 motions (402) not including the defense Massiah Motion that the court needs to make rulings on.Many of the motions were to include or exclude photographs.
Some interesting information came out but it wasn't always clear which or whose motions the information was related to, so I'll just share the information and each sides stance as we understand it.
1) It was disclosed that 2 people were identified by a witness at the Palmdale Park n Ride where Emma was first reported missing by Stacey Barker. The two 6 pack line up photos were introduced at the hearing on April 1 and clarified further today. Identified were Brendon Borelli (Stacey's boyfriend at the time Emma died) and Nick Barker (Stacey's brother). Before now, in our posts we have usually identified Brendon Borelli as just Brendon or BB, but now that his name is a part of the public record, if we use initials it's for convenience.
Nick Barker was positively identified, but the witness had trouble doing a 100 % ID of BB from the 6 pack line up alone....What this witness (female ParknRide security) said was that she saw Stacey Barker and a man pull into the PnR in the same vehicle. The witness said that soon after they arrived, she noticed the male was gone and a red car was leaving the lot. She was certain that the man who had arrived with Stacey was the same man who returned later with Nick Barker Brendon Borelli).
2) The State wants to use photos of Emma in the location her body was left/dumped, because they show the state of Rigor that Emma was in. KC said they go to show that SB had driven around with Emma dead in the car for HOURS. (ugh! use your imagination) The defense wants any and all pictures of Emma's dead body excluded. I'm not sure what the state's stance is on the autopsy photos, but I would be surprised if they didn't want at least a few in for the jury's eyes only. (Perhaps one of our intrepid court reporters can clarify.) The defense also wants a drawing excluded that allegedly depicts hand marks on Emma's nose and forehead.
UPDATE- The state is not requesting to use any autopsy photos! Thanks T!
3)Another defense motion attempts to exclude testimony from Detectives Nava and McCarthy about their interview / interrogation of Stacey Barker after she was released from the hospital on March 19, 2009. Dager just wants the state to use the audio tapes of the interview to present the evidence of Barker's statements to law enforcement. Cromer argued against that saying that the detectives could better convey Barker's demeanor to the jury and if Dager wants to use the tapes to try and impeach them, fine. The defense doesn't want barker's booking photo used at trial either.
4) Earlier in the case we heard mention of an incident in the holding area at the courthouse. We learned what this is all about....one of the officers allegedly called SB a BABY KILLER and RD objects to her being called names like that by law enforcement. KC said the incident was unsubstantiated. RD said it shows that all LE are against SB and that they are all trying to turn everyone against her, but he concedes he thinks if these deputies get on the stand that they will not confess to saying anything that would get them fired. KC says this has no relevance to Emma's death so doesn't belong in this case to begin with. KC did say if Barker wants to get on the stand maybe they can get it in.
5) Barker was treated by a SART (sexual abuse response team) at the hospital because she said that she had been raped, RD does not want repetitive statements from the Dr.s, Nurses and anyone else she talked to at the hospital...KC said it is relevant because SB claimed she was raped and did have moderate vaginal bruising....(personally I think RD might be right on this one, it should definitely come in that the "rape" was part of her "story" but unless she made incriminating statements they don't need to "elaborate" they know she wasn't raped. kat)
6)The defense wants a large number of pictures and hours of video admitted to show that SB was a loving mother and how clean the house was and nice Emma's room was decorated . KC said it was a room in Stacey's parent's home and since the parents and other family members were with Emma more then SB, they may have had as much or more than SB to do with the design of room and the up keep of the home and Emma's room.
7) RD wants evidence and testimony about a party the night before Emma's funeral excluded. Dager said the family had a dinner/get together the night before Emma's funeral...KC called it a party and wanted everyone to know that at this party they played BEER PONG. Dager said it was a just a get together, not a party and the younger people did play Beer Pong but not SB, he said...her Mom even played ...JZ looked amazed and said wait...Emma's Mom or SB's Mom? RD said SB's Mom.
8)The defense wants Barker un-cuffed and un-shackled in front of the jury. They should prevail on this motion because defendants are normally allowed to wear street clothes and are un-cuffed in front of a jury so the jury won't be prejudiced by the defendants appearance. I have seen shackles left on defendants with the tables for both parties skirted so the jury doesn't see the shackles but those have been cases of violent inmates.
Judge Zackey said that the 13th was a fact finding hearing and he still has to rule on the 402's and the Massiah Motion (related to witness x) on the 14th. JZ said he will even take the hearings into Friday if needed because he wants all this stuff done before 4/18, the day he is going to start jury selection and the trial will start once the Jury has been selected...on that day or the day after.....
Before the court went on the record for the April 14 hearing Kelly Cromer gave Roberto Dager a time-stamped copy of the police report from the security guard at the Palmdale Park n Ride. Tori mentioned it was obvious the attorneys were going to be nice to each other again today. Think they had a pep talk from the judge? We can only wonder.
Once on the record, Judge Zackey said that he had went through the 402's at home last night and reviewed the tapes of Detective Sandra Nava's interviews with Witness X and had made some rulings.
JZ ruled that before X went to law enforcement he was NOT a Government Agent, therefore he would be allowed to testify to what he and SB talked about before X contacted the Sheriff's office. At that time X was not infringing on Barker's rights, so there's no need to address Massiah for that. JZ added if the state is going to use any of the recordings made after X was in contact with, they will have to talk about this Massiah Motion again for that. KC said that she did not think she was going to use the tapes but she would listen to them and see if there was anything she wanted to use and let JZ and RD know so they could talk about it.
They talked about pictures again, 2 photo albums full, KC only wants some photos allowed, RD said they need to have both full albums to prove what a good Mother SB was to Emma, How in all the pictures that she was well dressed and matched in colors of clothing, blanket, socks etc....she was not just a kid in a teeshirt and diaper. KC said something about most people do dress their kids well for pictures. Then she talked about how the Barker's parents took care of Emma for the most part and her brother also took care of her for SB. Kelly Cromer told the court that Barker's mother had Emma in the day while SB worked and SB's father had her at night when she was out partying...
(Stacey Barker's family were shaking there heads....as if to say NO we did not watch Emma...in early interviews Barker's father had said the family adjusted their work schedules to be available to care for Emma. In defense of Stacey, Amber B. told some of us that if SB was out and they called her that Emma woke up, she would go home right away...so how can they say no they didn't watch her when SB was OUT...will they testify differently? That remains to be seen.)
Whew were almost done here folks. No one from our group was able to attend the hearing on Friday the 15th. Tori said her daughter was at the courthouse on Friday and checked in on Judge Zackey's courtroom during a break in the case she was attending, but the courtroom was locked. None of the local media reported anything on Saturday so we don't even know if there was a hearing Friday.
On Monday, April 18 Tori went to the courthouse to see if she could sit in on the Jury Voir Dire, but no one was in the courtroom. On Tuesday, Tori again went to Judge Zackey's courtroom and the calendar on the outside of the door was FULL but nothing for Stacey Barker was on the list...She said she saw RD but no KC, so she went home and called someone she knows that would know the scoop. She was told that something like 70 Jurors had been asked for and 57 did come to the courtroom at about 10:30 they had gave the questionnaires to the potential jurors and told them to fill them out and come back on Thursday. JZ is in downtown on Wednesday so his court is dark.
T's friend said that they will start polling the Venires on Thursday, 4/21 and maybe go into Friday (no doubt, that is a lot of people) then if a panel is picked they will allow a couple of days for opening statements to be prepared by both sides. So...it looks like the trial could start as early as April 25th or as late as May 2nd....
We still don't know what most of Judge Zackey's rulings were or if he ruled on allowing cameras in the courtroom...I guess we will just have to wait for trial to find that out.
Here is the only media report we have came across so far about jury selection (Thanks LCM):
Jury selection starts in Palmdale child death
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at 20:34 on April 27th, 2011
BIG NEWS!!!! THE TRIAL STARTED TODAY, WEDNESDAY APRIL 27. OPENING STATEMENTS AND 1ST WITNESS BEGAN TESTIMONY. WATCH FOR STORY :)
at 20:54 on April 27th, 2011
Waiting.... waiting.... waiting......
; )
at 21:01 on April 27th, 2011
writing and writing and writing then typing and typing and typing :) I will try to get a brief summary up tonight and finish it tomorrow. Both sides gave opening statements and Sue Barker, Stacey Barker's mother was under direct examination all day.
at 21:31 on April 27th, 2011
I am not going to be able to get this up tonight...Mr. katfish is bitchin..He has 2 appointments that I have to take him to at 8 and 10 am. grrrrr.....sorry guys. I will get this asap!
at 22:40 on April 27th, 2011
I hope the visits go well for Mr KF - get a good nights rest! We'll be here when you are ready!
at 21:21 on April 27th, 2011
Cath, was looking out for you all day long...glad to know you are ok and didn't get lost on the way... Kat thanks for taking all the notes to get this out soon....
Tomorrow 10:30am Cross of Sue...
Cath I will call you tooooo much for me to write here for now because I am so tired...Lets just say that the DA showed Pics of Emma in the weeds and a close up of her face in death...Very hard for us to deal with...our group cried in open court, but no tears from SB...
I will talk to you all later....T
at 22:13 on April 27th, 2011
LOL No I don't think I'll ever get that lost - it's just the extra 30 minutes I go out of my way (and back) when I miss an exit.
When you know you'll be behind the wheel for 9 or 10 hours that extra time on the road just seems to last forever...
You have my cell number...
at 23:36 on April 27th, 2011
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tuyendung88 (not verified)at 23:42 on April 27th, 2011
When I know I'll be behind the wheel hours that extra time on the bar just seems to last now
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Kab25 (not verified)at 12:18 on April 28th, 2011
Thank you guys so much for updating on this story. I've been "lurking" since you started posting but wanted to tell you now how much I appreciate you guys. My daughter will be 18 months soon and I just cant understand how anyone could harm an innocent baby AND THEN leave her all alone in the dirt and weeds. I pray that justice will be served for little Emma. My husband and I stopped by the spot she was "dumped" Some one keeps it looking nice and clean, which is very nice to see. Keep up the goood work! Its great to read details and things you dont get from the paper.
at 13:07 on April 28th, 2011
Thank you Kab25 for your kind comments. One of the regulars here, I believe it was 7xmommy, stopped at the "dump site" a while back and shared a picture so we could put it in a post.I think it was a year ago so it's good to hear the site is still being maintained, thank you for sharing that :)
I'm writing the coverage from the opening statements and the 1st witness yesterday, right now (taking a break to see who posted) so do check back! Tori and our other friends are back in court today and taking notes....defense should cross examine Stacey's mother today so that should be "spicy". That won't be ready for posting today, though yesterday was interesting too and unless there is a catastrophe that comes up yet today, it will be done. I'll get back to it before court is done again for the day and Tori calls with the latest.
at 22:32 on April 29th, 2011
Hi all,
Mary the courtroom is A-17 and Monday it starts at 9:30AM on Tuesday it will be at 1:30PM.
Monday is when BB is going on the stand from what we hear in court today.
I know I have been Lax in getting the coverage to you but I will sum it up here as RD has had to re-cross all of the witnesses a nunber of time...he is taking tooooo long asking the same questions just different ways.
Day One and Two was Susan Barker, they took 2 days with her because she retracted most of what she said with the phrase "I don't Recall" to the hard questions...I felt so sorry for her I could feel her pain and she looked like she was in a daze...this has taken a toll on her, Ange commented that she felt like she just wanted to hug her and tell her it was NOT her fault, that she felt heartsick for this woman she did not know...a Husband that would leave her in her greatest pain for thoughts and words she said about her Daughter, A Daughter that had killed her only Grandchild, she is in great fear of losing her husband now...how sad she loses a Granddaughter, A Daughter and if SB is convicted because of her testimony she would also lose her Husband, because SB is a Daddy's girl and always has been..
Sue let it be known the day Det's told her Emma was found dead, she said to Det. Naba (on tape) "I know she did it, and I want you to prove it" from what she said she had no Idea she was being recorded when she made statements concerning her feelings about SB and BB and the death of Emma. she Locked her bedroom door after this because she was in fear of SB...FEAR that SB could also do it to her! that is why SB went to the Grandparents home, because of Sue's fear of her.
Sue Admits to being a Alcoholic and taking anti depression meds....she said that she would take 4 to 5 shots of Cuevero Gold Tequila a couple nights a week before Emma's death but was not a Alcoholic, after Emma's death she became an heavy Alcoholic, Drinking while taking her meds also....Dager said you took the pills with alcohol? she said Yes. he said didn't you know that that could kill you? she said NO, (everyone knows that is a lethal combo) something was said at the end of her second day like "her testimony needs to be memorialized in case something happens to her" by JZ, I don't know for sure but sounds like they are saying something without saying it straight out, I sure hope she is not going to do something stupid to herself because she did say she has a LOT of guilt about Emma's death...I would let her know to seek help if she had something bad on her mind...IT'S NOT HER FAULT! I feel for this woman as a human being in deep pain and wished I had the words to heal her heart...this is so sad, how many more people were hurt by this stupid action of SB....
Today was Anthony's Mom on the stand, Girls we have been asked to do a favor for the family and that would be not to use Anthony's last name here. ok. we may use his Initals or just Anthony...
I was Very Impressed with Anthony's Mother, she did a damn good Job on the stand, she didn't give Snidley an Inch....oh he tried to trip her up but she didn't let him...Great Job Mom..
He was trying to make it seem like Her and the Family Just "didn't care if they saw Emma or not, if they did they did, if not oh well whatever" that is what he said to her before KC objected...some of his questions were so misworded JZ had to rephrase them for everyone to understand....Mom was upset at a question about a Savings account she had opened for Emma for College and cried...RD said are you upset, she said yes, he said are you upset with SB? she said yes, he then said you are sitting there with all this anger for her....She said "I have NO anger for her, I am NOT angry, just upset" way to go MOM!!!!
Anthony was next today, He was in a bad place....he also was taking all the blame for not being a bigger part of Emma's life because of Drugs and Alcohol abuse during SB'S pregnancy. I really wished that he had made more of SB'S attitude about letting him see Emma on the stand but I along with the Group could tell he was feeling guilt and sadness and kicking himself in the butt because he did not take control of the situation and demand visitation with Emma through the courts earlier in her life, he said by the time he made that choice to do so and fill out the papers he was just waiting on money from taxes to file the papers but he never got to do that because she was taken away from him forever!!! how very sad, my heart dropped..how selfish of her another casuality to add to her list of people that have been affected in a negitive way by this...
RD is making it seem it is Anthony's choice he was in her life for such a short amount of time, he is taking advantage of Anthony's beaten down emotional state to say stupid things I will put them down at a later time, I am sure the Jury did not think highly of RD after that.. as this is just a short note of the trial so far...Kat is writing it up as I type this...thanks Kat for all you do....
Deputy M Villalobos is on the stand and tells the court that he had intimate relations with SB during the time she was with with BB, he had met her through her brother and they had "Casual Sex" for 1 week...3 times in that one week and they were NOT a couple, they were not dating and he knew she was with BB at the time...they kept it on the down low when BB was around. also that when SB would bring Emma to the softball games of her brother (MV & NBwere on the same team) that everyone that knew SB would hug SB and tell EB hi..except BB he would not come out of the dougout and he did not associate with SB while she had EB with her. BB did spend the night at the Barker home once while her parents were out of town, MV remembers that EB was already asleep that night when BB came over, they were all in the Garage hanging out and SB said her and BB were going to sleep, also he said SB was a very good Mother, is this is a real good friend or boyfriend that could say she was a good mother to EB ? (you be the Judge of that Question) here is backround, he was not with her and EB daily, nightly, weekends...he did not date SB, did not take her to dinner, not to the movies or anywhere social (his testimony), he only had Sex with her....(that they both hid from BB, while she was with BB since Dec,2008 ) oh did I say that he met SB in January 2009, Emma was killed in March 2009, so he only knew SB and EB for a few short months....what was your Judgment of that question????
Oh also her Mom and RD said she was also seeing another guy from work at the same time as BB and MV......was this guy also just a Booty call or was he a dating relationship that encluded EB? we will never know because they could not locate him to use as a witness of what a good Mom SB was to EB...
That ended Day 3, Monday starts at 9:30 and they have made BB wait around for 3 days outside of the courtroom, if I was him I would be pretty mad already for being put off and having to be there all day without being called, I know he had a Job and feel if waiting around has caused him to lose pay or miss work he has a right to be mad...
Kat is writing up the whole story encluding Q & A asked and answered and most of the comments made by RD....stay tuned...LOL
Tuesday Trial starts at 1:30PM...I will be back soon....Nik got your msg...Thanks...I will pm you tomorrow...K.... Hugs to all T
at 10:20 on April 30th, 2011
I feel so sick to my stomach over this whole thing right now. And T, I literally lost sleep over the pictures that you saw...and I didn't even see them! I guess it just confirmed how real all of this really is and it just made me furious all over again :*( I am questioning whether or not I can handle attending one of these trial dates.
I feel so bad for Sue. And for Emma's daddy and his family. I wish that there was a way that I could take all of their pain away and make them understand that they are not in any way to blame for any of this. I am so heartbroken for them all. And all of this for SB to show no emotion whatsoever for the lives that she has destroyed. And for her parents, ugh!! Look at what she's done :( But, thank you again for filling us in, T. I am looking forward to Kat's story as well.
*Hugs to you all!!*
at 13:08 on April 30th, 2011
Nik,
Thank you...
These blogs started because some of us were mad at the News coverage (non coverage) of what was going on, I was already going to court that day of the prelim, (a friend of mine son's trial was going on.. lol, it was in Judge Zackey's courtroom now that I think of it) so I went to hear what was being said at SB'S while I waited (since I had already blogged on it at Topix)....as I listened to the saddest things I have ever heard in my life, I saw Anthony and his Mom in such grief at what was being said I cried almost as hard as they did, it was very hard for me to deal with even as an outsider...I could only imagen how their pain was 1000 times worse then mine!
I did meet Anthony and his Brother that next day they were nice to me even though they didn't know me and Anthony had just seen me the day before, he opened up shared a few things about Emma, Anthony cried at one of the things he told about Emma, that made me cry and we hugged each other and that was the second I knew how much he loved his little girl, he and his brother confided in me what SB had been doing all along, using EB against him and his Family...the thing he said was she had told him Emma was not his during the Pregnancy, then she told him that if "he was not with her, he could not see EB" (that is in a EARLY blog of ours) I had already heard he had a Drug problem and SB did drugs also, I heard that she had a drug problem long before Anthony also..(someone that dated her before AH did said this as well as others) Auntie tried to discourage us from thinking he was a good guy...but Emma was his flesh and blood and no matter what he did, he still loved his daughter, he didn't kill her!
He also treated us with respect and not stares and whispers and hand motions showing us that we were not welcome in court, like others did.
Speaking of Auntie, she said she was in this line of work for half of her life...we hear in court that she is a PARALEGAL....(KC brought that up because it looks as if Sue has been coached on day 2) that still does not make her view of this right because she thinks she has some kind of inside info on this case or understands legal terms. I am wondering if RD discussed Wit X with her? did she do any research on him? Well, I think that question about the reseach would be no, now that I think about it because she had all the Info on him wrong!
We here became friends and Sisters in the search for an answer how someone could do this to their own child and why. we never came here to gain praise from anyone for what we do here, but all your Thank You's make it worth sharing it with you... our time is dedicated to Emma and no one else, she was only ONE of SB'S victims, but she seemed to get lost with all the things being done to SAVE SB, we are here to make sure Everyone remembers her and what was done to HER....to see Justice for EMMA....
As I listen to this Trial I am amazed at almost every turn, there have been so many thing said and done that WE here have thought and blogged on with each other before Trial and a good % of the things we thought, were RIGHT on the money so far...
I can't understand why in his opening statement that RD would say from outward apperances this looks like a normal family but they are really disfunctional...the Mother is a alcoholic on depression Medication becasue of Abuse and is very controlling (?sp)....Mrs. Barker looks far from a controlling person...if he thinks because Sue wanted SB to stay home and watch her own child after work and in the Evenings and not go out and "HAVE A LIFE" as RD said, how is this control? to me it is just the right thing for SB to do, she made the choice to have the child and give up her "social life" no one else did, when it got to hard for her and she wanted to be part of the young crowd again, she should have fallen in love with a guy that would accept Emma as well, then maybe Sue wouldn't have minded watching Emma while SB went out with her boyfriend...as long as they did things with Emma also. Once you have a child you sacrifice your old lifestyle for them, they are not toys that you can play with when you want and leave alone when you don't feel like playing with them...they are little human beings that need things and as a Mother you need to be there to supply their needs not matter what that need might be.
I think EB was lucky to have Sue around her a majority of the time...the thing that has been bothering me is the fact that was brought up about daycare, SB was happy that Mom wanted to take care of EB while SB worked because the daycare did not take care of EB the best she could have been taken care of...If Sue was such a Alcoholic, Rx pill taker and so disfunctional why would SB feel safe leaving EB with her????? Sue also HELD a Job...I think this is something RD cooked up to make Sue look bad....they threw her under the bus and to save her marriage she let them!!!! I feel so sorry for this lady!
I will be back later with some more thoughts, I something to do right now....T
at 14:37 on April 30th, 2011
That was what went through my head as well. If Sue was that "messed up", what kind of Mother was SB for leaving her child with her knowing that she had a problem with alcohol and rx meds? She was perfectly content to leave Emma with her Mom while she went out to party...? Again, RD cutting off his nose to spite his face. And I have known a lot of alcoholics/drug addicts, and even the most functioning of them could not hold a job to save their lives. I guess it's always possible, but I don't know how much of that I believe either. If it's true that she in fact has a drinking/pill problem now, well I can't say I blame her, I am pretty sure that I would too.
And for SB to not react through those god awful pictures, and through the tears and sobs of her family and friends almost shows a sense of satisfaction for what she has done. Like in taking Emma's life, she got even with all of the people who didn't give her her way (ie: Anthony, and her Mom). The fact that she used Emma as leverage against Anthony is just another sickening example of her twisted mentality. I should probably stop talking about that though, because I am angry beyond my right mind at the moment.
I am glad this went to trial. I am glad that there was no deal, and I am glad that the trial has finally begun. Tori, I knew from the beginning that you never did any of this in search for praise, nor did you do it under the pretenses that you knew more than some people in the family as you have been accused of in the past. But, the fact that you take the time out of your life to show up in the court room and endure all of the horrible, traumatic things that you have to see and hear, along with receiving rude and hateful gestures from SB supporters. All for the sake of making sure Emma's memory lives on and that justice is sought for her shows just how big your heart really is. Every person who cares enough to come here and root for Emma is wonderful in his or her own way. I am forever thankful for the friendships that have been formed here. Before I met you guys, I thought maybe I was losing it for being so heartbroken over the death of a baby that I didn't even know.
Well, I must get back to housework. It is Saturday afterall. So I will talk to all of you later!!
at 16:50 on April 30th, 2011
Mommy,
Thanks Mommy you had to make me cry....you know I hate crying! LOL j/k...
Some of the girls here felt the same as you at first, like it hurt them a lot but they did not know EB or knew her a little bit and thought that was strange that they had feelings like that...I don't think it is strange at all, it is called being HUMAN, CARING AND LOVING...
Do you read the News papers about our soldiers that have killed for our FREEDOM and cry? I do and I don't know them or their Families....I can't even watch the commercials for the children in other countries that have been orphaned and starving or made to work at a young age...it breaks my heart, I just want to snatch them up and give them the life they have never known, if I was a Zillionaire I would do that in a heartbeat!!! but I can't I'm Just one person! this is no different then any of these people, she touched our hearts by the heartless way she was thrown away, I think that was the reason for everyones sadness and anger.
YOU ARE A BEAUTIFUL PERSON, YOU ARE NOT LOSING IT...
None of her family looked at the pix or cried when KC said the position of the body or what she was wearing....the only ones in the court were Both sets of Grandparents and I think one Aunt, Her Father and Mother and BB had to wait outside.... it was a few of the people on the Jury and us (Me, Tiff, Nurse, Ange and my Grandson Gabe) yes my Grandson is 14, though he looks like 19 or 20, he was in total shock and was tearing up, he said "how in the HECK does a person do that to their kid... that POS"
He was then warned about who he has Sex with when he does have Sex and not even Pretty girls are sane, to get to know the girl and take his time and get to know her before he disrespects her body or his, if he is not in love and planning to stay with her just say NO!
NO I don't want him to be a PLAYA...they get into trouble with the girls a lot....
The Grandparents are not emotional either because they believe it was a accident and are discounting all the bad things being said, I guess if a jury saw them crying they would think that they also thought it was not a accident.
When RD asked Anthony if he was angry, Anthony said no just sad...sad because you were not a good father to Emma, No Sad because my daughter is dead and I will never walk her down the aisle or play (I think he said, but couldn't understand , he was crying at that time) a Ottis Redding record for her and dance with her. that broke us down! I hope the Jury understood him through his guilt....
Yeah, he said that she was on BC pills so he did not use protection, he was an Idiot...and she knew he was moving back to LB for weeks, she may have wanted to get pregnant to make him stay here in the AV...you never know.
Hey, RD keeps calling Witness X a liar and a Thief, saying he is cannot be trusted, he's a Liar and a Thief...he has said to the Jury as well as to KC and JZ, yet he tells the Jury that SB was a LIAR too because she lied to everyone about what happened, she just showed bad judgment about telling the lies...so what makes her any better or more believable then X? he is just a Liar and a thief, while she is a Liar and a suspected child Murderer....
Still have things on my mind but will talk to you all later...T
at 16:53 on April 30th, 2011
one more thing...Sue was a drinker before Emma's Death but started drinking HEAVY, I guess Alcoholic style AFTER her death to deal with the pain she said.
at 12:14 on May 1st, 2011
IMO Witness X demonstrated bad (but understandable) judgement when he beat the convicted child molester who was trying to get private time with X's young daughter.
SB admitted to smothering her 18 month old baby - something that cannot be done accidentally, in the manner described to LEOs.
So we have an adult male who beat up an adult male and an adult female who smothered her 18 month old baby and concocted a cockamamie story in an attempt to cover her acts (aka - she lied about it)... Does Dager really want to keep going there? If I were a juror I'd be rolling my eyes at the dude for even making an attempt at comparing the two.
Smothering Emma was not a lapse in judgement, nor was it an accident. It was a deliberate act of murder; cruelly carried out with forethought (the triple dose of Dimetapp), because a spoiled brat was not having a good day...
Mrs Barker and paternal relatives I'm so sorry for your pain - none of you are remotely responsible for this crime. SB will not be convicted for what was said to LE or in Court by family members - SB will be convicted because she deliberately placed her hand on her child (with or without said baggie) and caused her death.
at 19:26 on May 1st, 2011
Well said LCM! Hope things went well and you will be able to attend the trial.....but ya know you are the priority here....we don't need any more SB victims!
FYI....I'm typing away here :) ....not quite as far as my goal, we ended up with sunny weather, but past what I lost before. I'm using the netbook which is less comfortable typing but I am not taking any chances with my desktop. LOL
at 17:59 on May 1st, 2011
LC.
You didn't miss BB he is on the stand Monday...he waited for you....LOL
How did things go at the hospital??? Still on for Monday? Let me know....T
at 17:31 on May 2nd, 2011
Hi All,
Bus broke down so hearing did not start until 1:30pm today and tomorrow will be at 1:30pm.
BB on the stand today but for less then an hour because brother NB came in from Pen, Fla and JZ wanted him to get back to defending our country so he let them break BB'S testimony and started his...he will be back on the stand tomorrow...
I have to call Kat then I will come back on and talk about today! T
at 07:59 on May 3rd, 2011
Hi all.
Yesterday was day 4...After we get to court we are told that the bus broke down and they could not continue this morning so everyone should come back at 1:30 today!
When we come back, Judge Zackey says he is sorry for the delay, "it was Murphy's Law, A perfect Storm and everything else today" I am sorry, lets get started.
BB was called to the stand, KC said Good Afternoon, he said Hi.
KC do you know SB? BB yes. KC said, when did you meet Ms.Barker? he said Dec 31, 2008, he tells her that they met at Coach's Sports Bar, they started talking, dancing, having fun, hanging out and then they shared a New Years Kiss at Midnight (her Myspace said The best New Years kiss I have ever had).
He thought she was nice so he got her Phone number and started calling and texting her. KC wants to know if they had Sex, BB said Yes, KC wants to know how long before they started having Sex? he said it was sometime in Jan 2009, KC said well, was it the first week of Jan or the middle of the month or the end of the month? he said he did not recall...KC keeps pressing him for an answer, because he keeps saying, it was just sometime in January...she said "is that the best you can do" he said yeah, so she asks him OK can we rule out the first week of January? he said sure you can if you want. KC is a little peeved by now because of BB'S attitude.
At some point she tells JZ she wants to have BB declared a HOSTILE witness (I think she said so she could ask him leading Questions) because RD'S many objections were "Leading"
KC goes on to ask him about what kind of relationship they had and he said they hung out and did things together. KC said like go to clubs and bars, Nascar? he said clubs, yes, bars sometimes mostly Coach's, she said is that only a Bar? he said no it's a sports bar and grill. she asks where it is located he tells her off of Ave K and Gaddsen in Lancaster. she asks how long the Nascar event was and he said 1 whole day...so they did not go to Nascar weekend...just the day. BB Yes.
KC how many times have you been to the Barker home before Emma's Death? he said a couple of times, has he ever stayed the Night there? he said he did spend the weekend once when her parents were out of town, then KC said would that Saturday and Sunday? BB said no it was a Friday and Saturday. KC, was Emma already in bed and asleep when you got there Friday? BB Yes.
On 2 occations did SB call in sick to work to spend the day with you, asks KC, BB said I don't recall she might have. She did call in on 3/18 and spend the day with you, BB yes, KC and you stayed in bed then went to lunch then she went home as if she had been at work all day right. BB yes. is there any reason that SB would say "you owe me one" he said no not that I know of.
KC starts asking about St. Patrick's day, what did you do? They went to Coach's, did you drink? yes, did SB drink, yes when did you leave? we stayed until around 10pm, I had 1 Beer and SB had 1/2 a Beer...(we have seen on social websites that BB is a BIG Drinker, so 1 beer for the whole night) when they left SB was driving and they went to 60th west and Elizabeth lake road, 60th W is also called Goode Hills Rd, it winds through the hills from Eliz Lake Rd then back down into West Lancaster/Quartz hill, there are Very Few homes in this area I would say 6 custom homes at the most, it is secluded at the peak and over looks the Aquaduct, very private place....well he said they stopped and looked at the lights of the Valley for about 20 mins then went back to his place.
KC asks what did you do when you got back to your place? BB said they went back to his room where they laid down on the bed. she asks if they had Sex and he said he does not recall, so you don't know if you had Sex? he said it's possible. (what she might have asked was, did you have Sex while you were in the car on 60th West? to me it is a romantic spot at night, Very dark, a good place for young people to have Sex ) KC then asks, Are you a chronic nail biter? BB said no, I have bitten my nails since I was young...(ok he's a chronic nail biter). she then asks if he ever uses Clippers to trim his nails.. he said No just bite them if they get long. she said are your nails typical today of how they were on 3/17 & 3/18? he said I don't know maybe, I bite them when they start to get long. she asks if he is hygenic with his hands, he says yes, I am always washing my hands because I am a Server, Kelly said your a SURFER??? he said no, I am a SERVER...she said Oh I misheard, everyone laughed..she asked if he could show his hands and nails to the Jury, he starts to hold up his hands and RD Objects, relevance...Kelly asks for a side bar and they go back talk to JZ and come back and KC asks BB to show his hands and nails to the Jury again, he shows them. KC said, did you lacerate the inside of SB'S vagina? BB said I don't know (he looked confused at the question) so then KC said do you know if you scratch the inside of SB'S vagina that night with your fingernails? He said he didn't know, it's possible. KC, what time did SB leave? BB said I drove her to her house in my car at about 4AM, KC was that so she could get dressed like she was going to work for the day and tell NB that she was leaving for work? BB Yes. so she dressed for work and then you went back to your house lounged around, talked about Emma and went to lunch at Pollo Loco? BB yes. then what did SB do? she left for home.
At this point NB walks in, He is a VERY handsome young man even more so with his Marine Uniform on, he stands tall and seem proud to wear this uniform! his girlfriend is with him and she is also very, very pretty and petit.
Judge Z said, Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the witness I told you about earlier, we will break testimony from BB so we can get this young man back to Pen, Fla where he is serving our country... I want to Thank you for your service to this country..NB nods in a your welcome way to JZ. NB takes the stand...
I will be back later to fill you in on Nick's testimony...
at 08:31 on May 3rd, 2011
Tori, You are a wonderful story teller :)
at 10:51 on May 3rd, 2011
LOL thank Kat...you are a wonderful writer!
at 20:30 on May 3rd, 2011
I found this on one of the older blogs from 2009:
at 20:35 on May 3rd, 2011
Hi Girls...
Heartbroken has 2 blogs on this page, this is the second one...I am having trouble finding the blogs where Maxx Shines asks us questions on what LB had to do with the story, before we heard about Long Beach in the prelim...and all the other questions he asked us and our answers to him...the one's about our thoughts of what really happend that day! do any of you know the name of that blog???
Heartbroken (not verified)
at 09:10 on August 30th, 2009
You guys are all great! Trust me I'm 100% onboard with everything you are saying on here. So let the SB bashing continue. : ). The bitch gets what she deserves. Hopefully someone already handed her ass to her in jail. She should be a target. Anyways, I had a friend over last night who is a best friend of a guy she use to date prior to BB. We got to talking about how his friend felt about the whole crazy SB thing. SB only dated this guy for 2 weeks he dumped her because she was starting to act crazy. Telling him that she loved him and wanted her to be Emma's dad and get married. That was his sign to get out quick. I remember SB telling me this story and I even thought she was crazy. She was desperate for someone to accept her and her daughter right away. SB and I were pregnant at the same time. I look at my little girl and could not imagine doing anything to harm her. She is a sick bitch that is for sure. I'll keep looking for the new link. Take care everyone! Thank you for welcoming me in the group.
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Challange Questions (not verified)at 23:34 on May 3rd, 2011
Is this what you're looking for? Copied and pasted from Now PublicMax Shines (not verified) at 18:19 on May 18th, 2009Good Evening Folks, Okay with the real Syn stand up......... A person has to know who their talking to from time to time otherwise, I end up downtown pushin a basket and having conversations with self on a more constant basis. (max... attempting to keep a straight face)LC..... not to worry, but I think you 'puter is in serious need of counseling! (grin)Okay kiddies..... lets assume the DA has the proof to back the charges. State options weather to plea bargin or take case to trial, why, if I can plea bargin the case to say, 25 to life w/wo parole without jury trial it just cuts a long lenghthy trial of which the outcome may be unknown (ref point: OJ, Officers in King beating). Funny thing, not one of us can figure the outcome of a trial. I honestly believe that the DA would only use SP for leverage or because he knows he can explain and prove exactly what happened to Emma that night, also, because she was a child who could not fend for herself in accordance w/ age. Everybody seems to be on the same page when it comes to actions: The actions do not match what happened. I know no-one reacts to the same situation the same way but when I think about it, it still makes no sense. You say your childs death was an accident, okay, so why all the mellowdrama? You were scared of how bad you would look, oh in that case, you had Emma just to look good... (max is now concerned on a number of levels). I dont give a sh*&^& what the hell just took place, if there was an inkling of an opportunity to save my child from harms way or death...... Id of sacrificed life and limb (been there, done that). If my child had lost breath, lips blue... the whole nine, how could you fail to call 911 drive directly to a hospital and hope there was a chance for revival or at least called your parents and have them take the child to a hospital to see if anything could be done? Or dropped the child at the front door. If you want me to go with the irresponsible acts of a 24yr old, not buying it. You drove around with a lifeless childs body in your car..... for how many hours? Exactly how much time did you have to think about it, how much time did you have to think before you drove to the Roxford Exit of the 5 freeway, turn left, go up a hill, find a fenced field and dump, not place but dump the body of an 18 month old child. (DA will drive this point home every chance he/she gets)I hear another story of her choking on a plastic bag.... how big is the damn bag? Doesnt this bag have to be over Emma's entire face to stop her from breathing, I mean a sandwich baggy.... you need to sell me on that one. Im not sure but I think SB drove more than 100 miles that night, well get that info later on at trial. Now ladies and Gents, here is your challenge: Here are the questions: * Timeline…… what time did this actually take place, what time is the official time of death as prescribed by the corners office. * If the official time of death was appx 4p(guess), what happened in those 5 hours. * What do her cell phone records say, what towers did she pass in those 5 hours? * Has anyone here seen Lancaster Park at 5p.... you can see the whole thing from the 14 freeway and there is only one way in and out of the childrens section (swings/slides). Someone had to have seen her there. What about park and ride, you can see that from the freeway and from Ave S, again no one saw anything? * What did she say during the first, second and probably third interviews w/ the sheriffs investigators? * Suffocation is the cause but in what way…is it a plastic bag or at the hands of another? * If the corner cannot prove what happend, would the charges stand or woul the DA impose the lesser of the charges? * Why the drive from Lancaster to the Valley (perhaps Long Beach) the back to Palmdale? * What would be the reason for dumping a child (someone your supposed to love) by the roadside? (note) That is not an easy place to find. * The emotional reasoning of the SB around and at the time of emma’s death. * Does anyone think any of the following: a. Spur of the moment, did she loose it and something happened, b. Could she have been jealous of the attention Emma was getting in the family and became outraged. c was she angry because she wanted to continue with a life style the did not include children or strengthen her relationship with her man. Or did she simply decide she did not want to be burdened with child anymore? * What will be Prosecutors opening argument? * What evidence will be produced by Plaintiff? * What evidence will be produced by Defendant? Media: The media is coming..... believe me, they are coming, the timing is not appropriate as of yet.
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Challange Questions (not verified)at 23:55 on May 3rd, 2011
Very interesting that this was written almost two years ago on May 18th 2009 by Max Shines. It never dawned on me that Emma wasn't tossed out right away. I see now that Max seemed to already know this fact and quite a few others.
at 06:32 on May 4th, 2011
Challenge...
Thank you Very much, Yes this is one of many that I was looking for...
Max did have A LOT of Knowledge that the Newspapers, T.V or any one of us did not have, we were going on what AB and others were saying about what happened, Jason from the Topix Forum had Information but not as much as MAX..
Now that I see the Trial going on I see so much of what Max had said to us or challenged us on coming out now...It gives me chills right now to think how much he knew way back then...we gave him hypothetical (SP?) scenario's of what we thought might have happened and maybe her state of mind...
The thing that AMAZES me is that HE KNEW she drove around with EMMA in the car for HOURS.....WE JUST found that out in opening statements at the start of this trial! none of us knew that fact and were in Shock when we saw the Photo's of EB in the bushes in the position of the car seat she was riding in!!! also no one knew until much later on that AH lived in Long Beach, Jason had said that AH worked at BOA with SB so we thought that he lived here in the AV....
I am also amazed at how this case is so in line with the Casey Anthony case...I think she may have tried to "copy cat" her when she did this, I think she thought CA killed her baby and might get away with it, Remember AB had said that SB had sympathy for CA and wanted to know why everyone was so hard on her and that people should leave her alone? the only difference is that I see CA faking tears in front of people to get sympathy...
For a case that seemed so cut and dried at the start, it has now been filled with so many twists and turns it is not funny...
We are told in opening statements from RD that this NORMAL family is dysfunctional, there is Abuse somewhere in Sue's life, Alcohol is a big part of this families life, Depression, Rx Drugs and Illegal Drugs and that Sue and NB are seeing a mental health professional (before EB died)..as JZ pointed out you do not have to be a weak or crazy person to be seeing a Dr. for mental health, but it does show that there are problems that they are not able to deal with on their own.
I would like to say that while NB and Sue were on the stand that they each told the DA and PD what they wanted to hear at the time of Questioning even though it contradicted what they had just said to the other side. I am wondering if they did this on purpose, they have been told by the Father that SB is Innocent and if she is convicted on something they said to the Det's, he would leave his wife and maybe have nothing to do with NB (this is my thought about NB, we have not been told this so far) so they are trying to keep GB happy but want to see SB pay for taking EB away from them... RD said that Sue is the controlling person in the Family, I have a very HARD time buying this one...seeing the Family in person.
NB said on the stand yesterday that they were not allowed to discuss the death of EB in front of the Father as he would get very upset and say that SB is innocent and it was just a accident that they (NB, Sue and MB) were listening to the bulls**t the Det's were saying, making them believe SB killed EB and he did not want to hear it. NB also said that GB and SB had a special relationship since SB was small...Yes Sue said that "she was Daddy's girl and a Princess" all her life, then EB became the Princess after she was born...I think the only girl in the Family (SB)would be spoiled by the Mom and Dad, she most likely got everything she ever wanted.
Again thank you for finding this for me....T
at 20:39 on May 3rd, 2011
Here is her second one