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What About My Right to Privacy?
The U.S. Senate, on August 3, 2007, followed by the House of Representatives, on August 4, approved the expansion of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).
A link to the FISA states:
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 prescribes procedures for requesting judicial authorization for electronic surveillance and physical search of persons engaged in espionage or international terrorism against the United States on behalf of a foreign power.
Requests are adjudicated by a special eleven member court called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
The Center for National Security Studies (CNSS) states, "The administration approach would allow the NSA [National Security Agency] warrant-less access to virtually all international communications of Americans with anyone outside the U.S., so long as the government declared that the surveillance was directed at anyone reasonably believed to be overseas,".
They further state that the new expansion "would allow massive surveillance of Americans with no meaningful judicial oversight or individualized probable cause in violation of the Fourth Amendment."
At present, my husband is on a work assignment overseas. Technically, this expansion means that my allegedly personal conversations with him will be collected and mined for information.
This expansion isn't about only trying to intercept Bin Laden's telephonic communications from his cave! This blanket is meant to 'collect' whatever from wherever, without a warrant.
I want to know more about this secret court; who sits on it, their exact duties, how long they serve, what criterion are used to appoint them to this court and many, many other questions!
I am aware of the African American community being specifically targeted by the F.B.I. under the CounterIntelligence Program or COINTELPRO, which supposedly only existed from 1956 to 1972. I expect the possibility exists that, given my attempts to voice my opinions as relate to what I see needs improvement in the U.S., my private conversations, with my husband, may be and could be collected and stored for possible future use.
Anyone speaking to anyone overseas may find themselves with some form of dossier making the rounds in some secret committee, with strategies crafted to continue surveillance.
Under Patriot Acts I and II, many of the actions taken under COINTELPRO have now been sanctioned. Telephone surveillance is, as that cliche goes, just the tip of the iceberg!
Talk about Big Brother!




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gmony714at 07:36 on August 9th, 2007
as long as your not subverting the country or planning a terrorist attack why would you worry. i speak to family and friends overseas and i don't care if they monitor me
i am not talking to terrorists. If this action helps stop another 9/11 of which people of all races were killed in my home town i say go for it. if the Dems win the White House lets see if they repeal.
at 07:50 on August 9th, 2007
Well, Gmony714, I DO care! As a so called citizen of the U.S., I have a right to privacy which is being ignored and invaded! The erosion of citizen's rights and civil liberties, in the States since '911' are appalling!
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gmony714at 08:21 on August 9th, 2007
well since your citizenship is "so called" you have a "reasonable" right to privacy, for my family and fellow American Citizens i am willing to have my international calls screened. what is appalling is the "My" instead of "Our". We are in this together, some think the government is the enemy instead of the people who are using our freedoms to destroy all of us. quite selfish. If we get hit hard again you will see our freedoms even more eroded.
at 12:42 on August 10th, 2007
My "reasonable" right to privacy has to include protection from the unreasonable exercise of invasion of my privacy for no just cause and without a warrant. All U.S. citizens are supposed to be protected from warrantless searches without just cause.
Past history teaches that the intelligence community has misused and abused it's power even as there were guidelines to keep them in check. As more and more guidelines to protect citizens are removed, the specter of abuse looms larger on the horizon.
at 08:40 on August 9th, 2007
Karen i think your article is good there are two sides to this and civil debate is the way these things should be resolved. i respect your view.
at 09:56 on August 9th, 2007
Thank you, Gmony714!
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gryphonat 11:49 on August 9th, 2007
There is no such thing as "Right to Privacy." See the Bill of Rights: http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/funddocs/billeng.htm
You will not find the word privacy anywhere in there.
As for your 'just cause' argument, I can not think of a better cause than prevention of terrorist attacks on home soil and protection of my family.
at 15:56 on August 9th, 2007
Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Lorne1at 12:15 on August 9th, 2007
People should be wary when government grants itself unlimited power to spy on its citizens. One cannot help but wonder what people such as Richard Nixon, with his famous "enemies list" would have done with such power. Or how about J. Edgar Hoover, who had a real penchant for surveilling individuals he didn't like? People need to ask themselves where the greater peril to their freedom comes from, outside or within the country.
at 16:30 on August 9th, 2007
I agree, Lorne1. Each step that dismantles protections of a country's citizens sets us on an ominous course.
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gmony714at 13:26 on August 9th, 2007
Richard Nixon? Hillary has a list that makes Nixons look like childs play. people who think the terrorists are less dangerous than our own government have no clue.
If the DEMS win in 08 they will all be silent.
at 13:32 on August 9th, 2007
When I read your article I was thinking "COINTELPRO..." before I reached the final paragraphs.
It's best to remember that the government- any government- is made up of individuals, who tend have a nasty habit of misusing authority. For some reason, gov't officials think that if they have juuuust a bit more info, then they'll be able to "beat the bad guys", but they've proven incompetent at parsing the info they have, never mnd the flood that will come in through freewheeling wiretaps. Give anyone enough time and they'll say something "suspicious" over the phone, and it's pretty tough to prove your innocence when someone with a badge wants to believe you're guilty.
at 14:02 on August 9th, 2007
Well stated, Jordan.
at 14:10 on August 9th, 2007
Karen Hatter, great stuff, as usual!! Thanks for starting this stirring and respectful discussion with gmony714. Amazing...this is how NowPublic should be working. Hip hip hooray!
at 14:25 on August 9th, 2007
Thank you so much, Kaitlin and, you're welcome!
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gmony714at 14:43 on August 9th, 2007
thanks kaitlin the terrorists are counting on us to fight with each other. terror tactics aim to curtail freedom and turn us against each other we must not let that happen.
at 17:05 on August 9th, 2007
Karen Hatter, Good stuff.
"people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both" - Benjamin Franklin
at 17:36 on August 9th, 2007
Thank you, Rick. A very wise and intuitive quote.
at 08:59 on August 10th, 2007
When I was in junior high school, Civics was my favorite class. If I were sitting in a class today and a teacher was explaining the three branches of the U.S. Government and the concept of checks and balances, it would be like a joke. How could you take it seriously when you see destruction of the pillars of our form of government? I remember learning that nobody was above the law. FISA was the law and the Bush administration openly violated it (even boasting that they had done so). Yet, there are no consequences.
at 12:00 on August 12th, 2007
Thank you for your comments, Christopher.
at 10:01 on August 10th, 2007
Bruce Schneier, security guru, says that such surveillance is both un-American and ineffective:
"There is something un-American about a government program that uses secret criteria to collect dossiers on innocent people and shares that information with various agencies, all without any oversight. It's the sort of thing you'd have expected from the former Soviet Union or East Germany, or modern-day China.
Finding terrorism plots is not a problem that lends itself to data mining. It's a needle-in-a-haystack problem, and throwing more hay on the pile doesn't make the problem any easier. Real security comes from old-fashioned investigative work: putting people in charge of investigating potential plots and letting them direct the computers, instead of putting the computers in charge and letting them decide who should be investigated. It's what caught the London liquid bombers last summer, and it's our best hope for our own security in the future." [via the link above]
at 12:04 on August 12th, 2007
Thanks for the link, Jordan! These tactics, mass gathering of information, are exactly what Hoover's F.B.I. did in the past illegally, except of course, now it's legal!
at 20:25 on August 10th, 2007
Interesting that for the last year or so, I have seen government sites, ie., justice-related, on my website visitor statistics.
Mostly my sites deal with Ancient Egypt, archaeology, ancient history, etc., though I have posted some more current topics on my google blog.
What scares me more is what powers the last couple of Executive Orders give the Pres and his minions.
at 12:12 on August 12th, 2007
That is interesting, Rene. Although there have been assurances that government sites would no longer be leaving cookies on citizen's computers, when a government site was visited, I wonder if this still occurs. If you haven't visited any government sites, curiouser and curiouser!
at 07:58 on February 16th, 2008
As someone who has a smattering of involvement at one time in the Big Brother Intelligence community, perhaps I can shed some light in all this. To begin with Karen, just joining Now Public, and writing stories speaks volumes on your personality, political views and other personal information you have freely given to the world.
Not to change the subject, but I just wrote an Opinion piece on this same issue in regards to the Illinois Campus Gunman, as it has been revealed this guy was nuttier than a christmas fruitcake and should not have even been allowed scissors let alone be able to purchase weapons. Vital and Useful Information on his mentally ill past is now surfacing, information government agencies and medical communities had, yet somehow did not share with government agency personnel who perform background checks on citizens who wish to purchase guns.
Granted Karen, it is nice to keep personal info from Big Brother, yet perfectly fine for people to give it all away when filling out personal information from life insurance, Hospital Info, Library Info, Credit history and banking info when applying for a mortgage or credit card, right down to fill out polls and 10 CDs for a penny marketing offers. If you use a debit or credit card for groceries, financial and grocers have a record of everything you have purchased from toothpaste to OJ, you have pretty much given the world information on your lifestyle and dietary habits, race, culture to dinner parties (From Groceries purchased) and alcohol consumption.
If you have ever used a friend as reference, then you have pretty well given him or her up as well including profiling him by association, as friends associate with likeminded friends. Registering kids in school got your kid on the hit list as well as his report card and progress. Karen you cannot choose and pick what you want private and what you want public, you have pretty much given away the farm already and if you use a cell phone, doubly so. One more interesting fact, you have just stated to the internet world your personal information about hubby, your conversations etc... So Karen, though you wish privacy, let's face it, you never had it to begin with, unless your'e Dale Gribble.
What I do think is the information gathered by government agencies should not be misused and strictly controlled under penalty of prison.
A perfect world of non information did exist, it was called the Stone Age, but then Archeologists screwed them over too.
at 14:20 on February 16th, 2008
Thanks for the flag! Yeah, Barry, but Dale Gribble notwithstanding, since September 11, 2001, there is a concerted effort to whip the entire country into a panic and frenzy, which has resulted in all types of legislation being passed to allegedly make U.S. citizens safe.
The problem is many of these bills and legislation have gray areas and loopholes that afford the opportunity for 'mass mining' for information that would normally be considered to be protected as privacy.
As a simplistic example, but indicative of the level of intrusion, let's say, before the internet and all the wonderful technology we now enjoy, Bob AverageGuy kept a box of magazines under his bed. His preferred reading material was 'I Like Big Butts'.
One day, members of some government agency showed up at Mr. AverageGuy's door without a warrant. They brush past the stunned man and begin looking through his home. Then, they go into his bedroom and pull out his box under the bed. It was clear, not so long ago, that Mr. AverageGuy's privacy was being invaded.
Some of the sweeping surveillance measures that are being initiated are the cyber equivalent of the above example. To add insult to injury, some of the information is being 'held' in 'cyber rooms' for later perusal.
When J. Edgar was keeping files on people without justification, it was roundly and soundly denounced. Now, preying on United States citizens' fears of terroristic attacks, personal privacies are being set aside.
This technology is marvelous yet creepy in it's own right. I'm always amazed when I receive a tally to date list on my sales receipt from my local pharmacy, detailing EVERY item I have purchased within a certain time period!
And please note, Barry, I wrote this in August 2007, regarding a previous set of circumstances, not the CURRENT circumstances being debated, now in FEBRUARY 2008!
at 08:33 on February 16th, 2008
Granted Karen, but one more tibit of truth on Freedom of Information and personal information gathering by Governments, most times this information is vital for the Public benefit and security. Some who know me here, know some of my stories may raise the hackles of some, but then in my defence I have pretty much spent my working life gathering, researching, profiling and dealing in Facts, everything from Environment (Human Health Risks) to Illegal Drugs and Profiling people of questionable means and activities (Which seems to preoccupy a lot of my time) for both Canadian and US governments and military who rely on my research and insights. The world revolves around infomation and Fact. I am sure you would appreciate info from police if a convicted child molester was on the loose in your neighbourhood or living next door to you and your children. The only way you would know is if personal information on this person was released to you and the public by a government agency.
As some have said in here, if you have nothing to reveal criminally, then you have nothing to fear. Government agencies in the Intelligence Gathering Communities have no use in gathering "Pillow Talk" from spouses, to them it is white noise. Pre or Post 911 or not , They have much millions of bigger fish to catch. As for the Big Butt magazines, well I am sure most men only read it for the politically charged articles within the pages a naked babes, at least that is what the Government agents who enjoy one handed reading would state.
at 08:51 on February 16th, 2008
It's not whether one has anything to hide. It is allowing massive dismantling of citizen's protections from being spied upon.
The thought that 'Well, if you don't have nothing to hide, why do you care?' is a dangerous justification, with the possible result being living in a facist state, which the U.S. has always prided itself that it is not.
at 04:01 on October 10th, 2008
Karen Hatter, I like this story. It's good stuff.