15mph speed limit to force people out of cars

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There is no doubt that English roads are heavily congested at peak time hours, journeys are reduced to a crawl in and around London but many other areas of the country are also experiencing gridlock. A solution to reduce the number of vehicles on our roads will be a monumental task.

The latest Government idea of introducing 15mph speed limits in and around new Eco Towns is causing quiet a lot of controversy. A) Lack of local consultation  B) Is housing needed in areas where there is no work and C) Houses with no parking spaces and a yearly charge for laying on public transport will not be very popular...

Weston Otmoor would be a radically different kind of town of 35,000 people built on unspoilt country between Oxford and Bicester next to Junction 9 of the M40. The Weston Front have identified that punitive road tolls of up to £200 at the single road exit from Weston Otmoor would force residents to use new trams and a restored train service on the Oxford, Bicester, Milton Keynes railway. It seems unlikely that people would want to live in such a place.

The Weston Front opposes Weston Otmoor because (detailed document)

15 mph is too slow for major roads...

Speed limits of just 15 miles-per-hour are to be introduced on major roads in planned new towns across the country as part of an effort to reduce globalwarming.

Caroline Flint, the housing minister, will unveil the measure when she publishes planning guidelines later this week for up to 15 "eco-towns" across the UK, which will house 100,000 people.

Plans for Eco Towns...
Controversial plans for a string of eco-towns have sparked nationwide protests. Demonstrations against the developments have begun two weeks before Housing Minister Caroline Flint is due to announce the 10 locations she has chosen for the first green communities. Local groups are complaining that they have been kept in the dark about proposals to create the towns, some of which involve building 20,000 homes as well as schools and roads, although developers have already submitted their plans to the government. Ministers want to provide thousands of carbon-neutral homes in towns that will have up to 40 per cent social housing to make up for the severe national shortage of cheaper properties.

But protests have already begun in many areas, with the protesters signing petitions and organising marches. Although ministers decided last year not to make public the full list of applicants, individual schemes for greenfield sites, including Derbyshire's National Forest and a town on the edge of the Cotswolds, are now coming to light. In Stoughton, Leicestershire, yesterday, protesters held a march against the Co-operative Group, the insurance and consumer group which is planning to build Pennbury EcoTown with 15,000 homes. In Derbyshire, where the Grovewood development is planned for 5,700 homes, retired headteacher Andrew Otway is helping put together an online petition to Downing Street. He said: 'There has been such secrecy... The proposed development is in the heart of the national forest, the lungs of the Midlands.'

Flint said: 'There is a rigorous process for the selection of bids and only the best will succeed. They must meet tough tests, proving they make best use of brownfield land, safeguard wildlife and habitat areas and provide low and zero carbon technologies and good public transport systems.'

But the Council for the Protection of Rural England(CPRE) is unconvinced and is asking the government to clarify how it will pick the 10 sites. Its planning expert, Kate Gordon, points out that, once the government has put its seal of approval on places, it will be far harder for local authorities to object and justify taking on expensive legal counsel to fight the plans.

'We support the idea of eco-towns, but they must be in the right place and developed in the right way. The most sustainable approach would be to regenerate existing quarters of old towns,' said Gordon.

Protest in Leicestershire...
The campaign to stop an eco-town being built on the edge of the city has now been joined by more than 10,000 people. Petitions have been signed by residents from the city and county against the plans for a 15,000-home new town. Co-operative Estates and English Partnerships have put forward the proposals for the new town between Stoughton, Oadby and Great Glen. The project, called Pennbury, is one of more than 50 bids from around the UK submitted to the Government. A shortlist of about 18 which will progress further is set to be selected in the near future although no date has yet been given. ….see Save England: Campaign Against Stoughton Co-op Eco Town
. Protest in Oxfordshire...
Tim Henman, the former British tennis number one, is supporting protesters fighting plans for an "eco-town" of 15,000 homes on the edge of the village where he grew up. Anthony and Jane Henman, the parents of the retired sportsman, are leading the revolt in Weston On The Green, Oxfordshire. They feel the carbon-neutral development, to be called Weston Otmoor, would swallow the picturesque village which has a population of 400, and lies to the north-east of Oxford. Mr and Mrs Henman are among villagers who formed a protest group called Here is a link to
the Weston Front. Residents from other villages affected are also getting involved...
Protest in Warwickshire...
Protesters have demonstrated near the site of a proposed eco-town planned for a former Army camp in Warwickshire. The scheme, for 6,000 new homes at Long Marston, is one of more than 50 similar projects across the UK aiming to create carbon-neutral communities. Protesters argue there has not been enough consultation and say the schemes will be an excuse for building houses in inappropriate places. Residents from communities near the proposed sites are among those concerned about the impact they might have. About 200 demonstrators turned up near the proposed site of the Long Marston eco-town on Sunday, carrying placards opposing the site. They fear the new homes will lead to congestion in their villages as the new home owners travel to work and take children to school. ...
Protest in North Yorkshire...
Protestors have been making their opposition heard to plans for a 60,000 home eco-town in North Yorkshire. Villagers took drums along to Selby town centre at 1000 GMT in a campaign to show their opposition for the carbon-neutral homes near Kellington. A spokesman for residents said the new town would be double the size of Selby and could take business away from the area and increase traffic and noise. ….
Protest in Surrey
OBJECTIONS to the masterplan for 2,600 new homes at Dunsfold Park have been backed by MPs Anne Milton and Jeremy Hunt. Both politicians expressed concern about the scale of the proposed development when a Conservative Association meeting on boundary changes held in Bramley on Saturday was hijacked by protesters. Tipped off the day before that the possibility of a new eco-town at the airfield was likely to dominate the meeting, Dunsfold Park owner Jim McAllister was also there. “This is like walking into a lion’s den,” he said when invited to respond after the MPs supported residents from across the borough who had spoken out strongly against the scheme. “The reason why Chiddingfold villagers are very concerned is because if you live in Dunsfold and want to catch a train you go to Witley or Milford stations,” said Tim Forrest. Alfold parish council chairman Dr Jenny Masding agreed with objectors living in Hascombe and Chiddingfold that the area did not have the necessary infrastructure to cope with 2,600 homes and the additional traffic it would generate. Mrs Milton said it was “naïve” of Dunsfold Park to think it could get people living in the new development out of their cars and onto the eco-friendly electric monorail ‘road’ link proposed to Cranleigh and Guildford. Mr Hunt said he doubted if the promised public transport system would get built both on grounds of getting planning permission and the funding.….
.Northstow Britain's 1st planned eco-town...
New eco-town will be located near Oakington, north of Cambridge. The idea off building an eco-town has been on the drawing board for some time but, has come a step closer to being realised now that English Partnerships have bought the land. The ex-military site of 288ha cost the organisation £100m and it’s proposed that 8,000 homes will be created. English Partnerships are committed to building all their new constructions to Eco-homes Very Good standard, so energy and water efficiency will be high on the agenda. Its town centre will contain a mix of shops, restaurants, offices and civic uses, and the neighbourhoods will be well supported by local schools and community facilities. ...
Residents feel that the 15mph is an excuse for allowing planning for houses in areas where vehicle congestion is already at saturation. Will the idea work? Building housing in the vicinity to London, where all of the work is, will just cause more congestion to the Motorways leading into and around the capital. Moving large government departments to the eco-towns would help in creating work to sustain the new developments.

Portsmouth sets 20mph speed limit from 25 March 2008.

Traffic will be limited to 20mph across an entire city from today. Other cities, including Norwich and London, could follow Portsmouth's lead if it cuts road accidents. Traffic bosses claim the move is supported by most people in Portsmouth. Mum Laura King, 32, said: "People shouldn't drive at 30mph past schools where children cross the road. This will put a stop to that. I'm really pleased."….
.One way of beating UK congestion is to avoid the hold-ups in the first place....Road Traffic Reports, Travel Information and Traffic News



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Jarrett Martineau

What a great idea! And such a funny solution...when you're being passed by joggers and pedestrians, it's time to get out of the car.

 

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liamssoft

On the face of it, it seems a good idea, but the majority of the locations will not have any work to sustain the eco-towns. This means they will have to travel to the cities either by train, bus or car, and so good transport infrastructure will need to be put in place which at present is very poor in rural locations.

I think the answer is to bring jobs to the areas by moving large organizations such as Government departments out of the congested cities into the new eco-towns. Traveling will then be minimized and you will not land up with housing estates where no one wants to move to except the unemployed.

I would especially like to see Caroline Flint's housing ministry move to one of the new eco-towns. This would save a great deal of money to the tax payer and help the Ministry tweak the setting for improvements to the idea.

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unparalled60

I think it's a brilliant idea...everybody would be organized as much expected. We always wanted that to happen, and maybe this one is just the first step to take. No more hassle on car speed. Just got the limitations and people are well-organized.

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unparalled60

I think it's a brilliant idea...everybody would be organized as much expected. We always wanted that to happen, and maybe this one is just the first step to take. No more hassle on car speed. Just got the limitations and people are well-organized.

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Vinny

Sounds like just another way for collecting more money in speeding fines.

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liamssoft

Alas I think your equation is correct.
Lower the speed limit + speed cameras = More money.
Government policy is never quiet what it seems.

Vinny
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at 10:39 on March 24th, 2008

liamssoft, I like this story. It's good stuff.

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liamssoft

Many thanks Vinny.

Swan
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at 11:04 on March 24th, 2008

Hello Liamssoft,

I love this idea!  They seem to have covered many areas of concern as far as I can see, except as already mentioned - employment. 

I figure that there must be something else that we haven't heard, since I can't possibly imagine that a 'housing expert' would build a town and not consider employment opportunities for it's residents. 

I would love to see the same thing implemented here - somewhere.
       ~ Swan

 

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liamssoft

Many thanks Swan. Yes indeed. Employment is the unknown necessary requirement.

cynthia yoo
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at 15:12 on March 24th, 2008

liamssoft, very informative, thanks~~

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liamssoft

Many thanks cynthia, whether 15mph helps to remove congestion remains to be seen, it will add to journey time and increase fuel consumption and as Vinny stated add to the income from speeding fines.


I actually tried driving at 15mph on an empty road today. The first thing is it feels completely unnatural and that it is rather hard to gauge by the speedo just what 15mph is. The other problem is that in 2nd, I was barely doing 2000rpm which means the engine was struggling (can't be doing it much good.) So to do 15, I had to drive along in first gear, which means a major increase in fuel consumption, emissions and noise. ….
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azzayindia
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at 21:57 on March 24th, 2008

liamssoft, I like this story. It's good stuff.

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liamssoft

Many thanks azzayindia. The MP who dreamed up this scheme can claim taxi, train, bus fares, petrol/diesel and vehicle cost from their expenses. The public pays for them.


Doesn't this government know the basic facts about car engines ....

1. Maximum efficiency and minimum fuel usage is in top gear and maximum torque (3000rpm) which for most cars is around 56 mph (they are designed that way following previous economy legislation))

2. Any other speed uses MORE fuel

3. Changes of speed and especially Braking USES a LOT MORE FUEL

4. Slow traffic and traffic jams USES a LOT MORE FUEL

5. Fit ALL CARS with a Fuel Consumption meter so they can understand the most economic way to drive. I drive a a 3.2 litre petrol engined Mercedes and get up to 35 mpg through driving carefully NOT SLOWLY.

I bet many smaller engined cars don't do better then this when forced to go slow and with no flow gage to assist.

6. So improve traffic flow - better synchronization of lights, underpasses etc. Remove Traffic Lights and Round abouts.

7. Provide SAFE walkway and BRIDGES for pedestrians and keep them OFF the ROAD cars don't drive on the pavement so respect the roads for cars.

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER TOTALLY BRAIN DEAD IDEA from a government that simply has no clue about how to do anything ...... RIP.….

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Jordan Yerman
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at 06:12 on March 26th, 2008

Sounds like they're struggling for a solution to a problem that they created: the easiest path is simply not to build towns arbitrarily.

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liamssoft

In the eco development in Upton Northamptonshire they are still waiting after 5 years, for a doctors surgery, a community center, shops and services and affordable housing which were part of the planning brief....

WNDC were established with the authority to drive through the planning for an additional 125,000 houses for Northamptonshire by 2026 as part of this push.

However, when questioned by residents at a meeting of Upton Parish Council earlier this week, Stephen Kelly, Development Manager for WNDC, admitted that whereas his organization has the power to provide planning permission to support the massive expansion of the town, they have little influence over bodies such as the Primary Care Trust who will provide medical facilities in the area. This lack of control means that WNDC is empowered to expand our population, but cannot guarantee to make sure essential services like medical centers are supplied to keep up with the growth.

For example, at Upton, Developers have withdrawn from the site stating that economic conditions are no longer suitable for further house building. It so happens that the builders are leaving the site, which was hailed by Prince Charles for its green credentials, having failed to fulfill their promises to build affordable housing, a medical center, shops and a community facility, which formed part of their permission to build at Upton. Some residents of Upton have been waiting for a local medical center for five years. Instead they have to make a ten mile round trip to their nearest Doctor - which defeats the ‘sustainability’ principle upon which the Upton site was founded.

Further questioning revealed that this same lack of control extends to our Emergency Services and almost every other essential utility you care to mention. We asked Kelly if there was a point at which the WNDC would realize that building was being allowed (by them) to proceed at a much faster rate than could be sustained by the services and infrastructure that are so essential to sustain modern-day living. In particular we asked if there would come a point when housing growth had to be halted by WNDC in order to allow the infrastructure to catch up thus avoiding unnecessary hardship to local residents. Kelly replied that WNDC has no powers to refuse planning permission on these grounds.
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liamssoft

Many thanks Jordan. I think they have a real problem. Some of the sites are ex military which have been empty for years. The siting of them is not by desire. There is the arrival from Europe of 200,000 migrants per year and so housing has to be built on an unprecedented scale, just to keep up with the migration. Most of the roads in England were built many years ago, when the road usage was under half what it is today. Very little has been spent on widening the roads and indeed in London with the introduction of the bus lanes you have less with only one lane.

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tj.moore

Force people out of their cars and you need a suitable public transport network. Which the UK doesn't have.

It would take me 2 hours or more to travel to my place of work by public transport, involving a combination of walking, several buses and a train. I work about 15 miles away and it's a 30 minute drive by car (and no, work from home is not an option).

P.S. On the subject of Dunsfold, this is a completely inappropriate scheme in an area of natural beauty and will also destroy a historic airfield, a fantastic annual airshow, and the home of Top Gear. Despite Top Gear's "petrol head" image, it would be better they remain there with the airfield than have the 3000+ cars that will arrive through the proposed new town (one of the biggest developments in the South East), with a road network in the area that cannot sustain that level of traffic. Proposed public transport links are totally inadequate.

Campaign site here: http://www.sdpnt.com/

 

On a general point though about the current government obsession with building new homes is that whilst they are supposed to aid people trying to get on the property ladder, they instead result in unnaffordable luxury appartments or provide homes for immigrants. However I also question the logic behind the necessity for everyone to own their home. It's a somewhat unique thing in Europe I believe, where the rest of the continent tends to rent. The way the government talks about it, you would think it's as basic a necessity as bread and milk.

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liamssoft

Many thanks, most of the UK rural will agree with your view. Building houses without parking spaces so that they can build in heavily congested areas with more houses per acre, will result in people parking on pavements and even more congestion  than we have already. If the roads were constructed around the houses so that there was ample parking, people would want to live there. I cant see any of our MP's moving to one of these eco towns. They are being designed for car-less occupants who do not have to travel to work. Lets hope they lay the cable broadband in time for the first homeworkers...

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miaalyssa

I think its a good idea as it is really problematic. We can also find related or usefull information in Electric Vehicles.

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liamssoft

Thanks, electric vehicles help the cost of running and the environment, but the congestion and parking problems still remains.

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gerrypopplestone

I find the trams around Croydon are excellent and can take anything (prams, bikes etc) inside.

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Beaulieu

What a great idea, though I am glad I am not a driver anymore. 

Of course there have to be alternatives. Often they think up these fancy schemes and there's a pathetic alternative, for example, no trains run before 9.30pm.

I have been to an Eco-Town and it is incredible how many 4x4 cars are parked there.  I thought residents were supposed to be on bikes and use electric cars. It appears that some non-eco friendly people prefer to live there. If they were more eco-friendly themselves, they'd walk or be on bikes so 15mph wouldn't affect them.

Yes, Gerry, bring on the trams.

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shocks

I agree with your opinion. Electric vehicles indeed are the perfect choice: they don't have harmful CO2 emissions, they are small and can fit easily in parking areas, plus they're easy to maintain as well.

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shocks

Limiting the speed to 15mph is a great idea indeed. It would encourage people to just walk instead of using their cars.

SOLARLIFE
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at 09:37 on July 31st, 2008

liamssoft, I like this story. Eco towns without local green job economy are nonsense. Living and working in your town means traffic 70% down. European politicians should make proposals for the end of industrial age. Well still they prefer geostrategic extension plans for big industry runners. Good point UK gives us the thinktank facing the problems. Thanks for posting.

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liamssoft

Many thanks for the GS and comments. Yes your right, jobs should be within the eco towns and the best way for this Government to proceed is to move the department of housing out of London and into one of their new towns. There are so many government jobs which could be carried out from home and would save millions in running cost, but saving money is not on their agenda.
Small businesses shift to home working

Uwe Paschen
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liamssoft

Many thanks for your GS Paschen. One of the easiest and economical ways to reduce congestion in central London would be to move Government departments out of the capital and into the Eco Towns. They are very popular with one Government Minister.

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gerrypopplestone

Well said!  And cutting down the numbers of those so called civil servants too!

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