The Consensus’ Fallibility - The UN was wrong about HIV and Science was wrong about Stem Cells

by BigT | November 20, 2007 at 06:41 pm
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The Consensus’ Fallibility - The UN was wrong about HIV and Science was wrong about Stem Cells

The Consensus’ Fallibility - The UN was wrong about HIV and Science was wrong about Stem Cells

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Why couldn’t they be wrong about global warming as well?

Embryonic stem cells were going to turn out to be a panacea just a
mere three years ago. That was when John Edwards, the man who made his
money off of channeling dead fetuses as a trial lawyer, told the
American people that if he and John Kerry were elected to the White
House people like Christopher Reeve would get up out of that chair and
walk again. They would walk again.

The point that the shady VP candidate and current presidential
candidate was trying to make was that embryonic stem cells can be made
into any other type of human cell that they want. Embryonic stem cells
are basically clean slates where doctors and researchers can figure out
cures for humanity’s worse diseases. Like Mr Edwards said, it can make
the paralyzed walk again.

One catch though. Embryonic stem cells come from embryos and those
embryos need to die for this research to go on. Killing hundreds of the
unborn to possibly find the cure for a myriad of other diseases that
could save untold millions in the future is the essence of an ethical
dilemma. Personally, there’s no way I would allow this type of research
to go on because it does require the death of the unborn, which I’m
morally against. It was a tough call and, thankfully, that tough call
is possibly being made a heck of a lot easier.

According to Forbes,
researchers have figured out how to make skin cells act like embryonic
stem cells. There still needs to be a lot of work done to see if this
could ever be feasible but this is promising nonetheless. Still, even
if turning skin cells into embryonic-like stem cells works there is
absolutely no certainty that this will lead to a plethora of cures
whereas adult stem cells have already been used effectively.

Science was wrong about embryonic stem cells being the only option.
Granted, this is an extremely complex issue and to understand for
myself what all goes into this would probably take up most of my
lifetime. But science got it wrong. A much easier task, like accurately
measuring the number of HIV affected people, can’t be screwed up so
easily. Could it?

Well, if you’re the UN then anything is possible - well any screw up is possible that is.



They overstated the number of people living with HIV by 20%
.
Instead of 39.5 million with the horrific virus it is probably more
likely 33.2 million. Still horrible, but significantly less so. (I seem
to remember that they also significantly overstated population levels
in their previous studies as well but since I can’t find that story
anymore we’ll just forget I wrote this sentence.)

Figuring out the number of people living infected with HIV is no small feat but it seems imminently manageable for the global organization that is tasked to come up with numbers like that.

But the UN got it wrong. Science got it wrong with stem cells. Both
consensus viewpoints are now standing on shaky ground. Shouldn’t we
also be worried about other consensus opinions?

I think so.

Take global warming, for example. It is significantly more complex
then embryonic stem cells and requires the gathering of significantly
more data then required to find out how many people infected with HIV
there are. But everyone, at least the “smart people,” think that this
time there is no room for challenges to the theory of man made climate
change.

Science regularly gets it wrong. That’s no knock on scientists but
their job seems to be get it wrong 999 times to get it right once. A
million different things could have gone wrong with the studies, with
the models, with the gathering of data, with anything really. What if
they were gathering the wrong data?

And we’re suppose to radically change our economy so that we can
maybe change something we really don’t know all that much about? At
least when our ancestors sacrificed a cow to the gods to make their
crops succeed they weren’t committing economic suicide. We’re being
asked to sacrifice every cow because they fart too much.

It is human nature to get things wrong. There’s no shame in that. There
is shame in being fooled every time by the same people over and over
again. Stop being fooled, question the consensus and look into the data
for yourself. Read books by people who don’t believe global warming is
happening. Find out all the information you can. Because if we don’t
question the consensus now we’re going to seriously pay for it later. BigT

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sarcasmful

I really wish this was fake.

Neither of those examples makes science or the UN "wrong" except in the narrowest sense. If the UN had overestimated the AIDS figures by 5% you'd still be here crying how wrong they were "wrong." You admit it is complicated and you know nothing about it, yet they're irrefutably wrong and this calls into question other consensuses reached by the scientific community? Science can be wrong, true, but both of your examples are amazingly impotent toward proving that point. You obviously only put the stem cell thing in there because it's such a hot issue with your conservative brethren. The stem cell example you cite is idiotic:

"There still needs to be a lot of work done to see if this could ever be feasible but this is promising nonetheless. Still, even if turning skin cells into embryonic-like stem cells works there is

absolutely no certainty that this will lead to a plethora of cures whereas adult stem cells have already been used effectively."

 So there is a lot of work to be done in proving that skin based stem cells will function as well as adult stem cells, and therefore the scientific consensus on stem cells is wrong? No, it doesn't follow. 

 Science is the process of observation, prediction, and experimentation. It isn't a liberal conspiracy that is out to get your precious precious money and spend it on poor and sick people. 

Your article is poorly written, uses pointless and inane examples to prove a point that could potentially be legitimate if you didn't wear your political bias on your sleeve and try and draw broad based conclusions from two unrelated pieces of recent news.

We should be skeptical of consensus opinions, we should seek out the facts that back them up, but you call the scientific process into question for this?

What a waste of 5 minutes of my life, and I think anyone else that reads this will think the same.

Hell, we might even reach a consensus.

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ifindtrends

The point is, there are all kinds of problems that are REAL. AIDS= REAL. GLOBAL WARMING=REAL. Maybe the numbers are off but the fact is there are millions of people living with this disease and although stem cell research may be behind, mostly because the government and other groups won't fnud them, they have come a long way. I guess it is better to try to save lives than to sit around and complain about everything. And it does not hurt to try to help the planet a little so that we don't leave it in worse shape for our ancestors. Just my opinion.

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