Toxic French aircraft carrier to be scrapped in England

by mudricky | February 4, 2009 at 01:44 pm
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A 32,700-tonne French aircraft carrier is on it's way to England to be scrapped on Teesside by Hartlepool-based Able UK after it was deemed to toxic to be break up in India.

The vessel named Clemenceau contains 700 tonnes of asbestos and will arrive at it's final destination on Teesside come Tuesday.

A FORMER French aircraft carrier deemed too unsafe to be scrapped in India is on its way to Britain to join the ranks of so-called "ghost ships" on the banks of the River Tees.The vessel, formerly known as the Clemenceau, has begun its journey from Brest in France, to be broken up and recycled at Graythorp, Hartlepool. 

It will join seven other decommissioned vessels that crossed the Atlantic and are waiting to be taken apart at the Teesside Reclamation and Recycling Centre, owned by the company Able UK.

The Clemenceau was originally set to be dismantled in India, but revelations that it was loaded with asbestos sparked protests by environmental groups. 

French authorities cancelled the dismantling, leading to extensive legal wrangling over the ship's fate. The Teesside company won a contract, reported to be worth up to £3.5 million, to scrap the vessel, and said it would bring jobs and prosperity to the area.

The firm had to apply for an exemption from the Health and Safety Executive so the ship can be dismantled and recycled. 

The former warship contains about 700 tonnes of contaminated materials, including asbestos, which is illegal to import into the UK.

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Amy Judd

I'm confused, so it can be taken apart in the UK, but no where else?

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mudricky

I can't see any site that clears that part up.

As far as I know India wouldn't allow the work to be carried out because of the large saftey risk but the UK have special powers in palce for such things to allow it to happen.

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Fripouille

Hi Amyjudd and Mudricky, here's some supplementary info to answer some questions.

In fact the ship would have gone to India, and had been towed more than halfway there when the French government was forced to bring it back because of protests here in France about the "dumping" of the ship's asbestos and other dangerous products in India to be treated by unprotected workers. Ship dismantling in India is a scandal because it kills and makes many people ill due to lack of safety and regulations.

That's why it went to England. The facilities there are judged to be more strictly controlled by international standards in order to protect workers. It's also why, because of the stringent regulations, it's much more expensive to break a ship up there than in India.

And that's why the French only reluctantly gave in to pressure to send it there.

Money, Honey!!

I hope this helps you both.....

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dowdinsk

...on its way to Britain to join the ranks of so-called "ghost ships" on the banks of the River Tees...

Some of those ghost ships have been lying there since 2003 as reported on BBC, this is just one more in the line.

gazettelive.co.uk has more.

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Fripouille

Downdisk,

Thank you for these very interesting and pertinent links.....

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dowdinsk

BBC now has an interview / audeo slideshow. They're constructing a dry dock around this ship and the other four from the US, so it appears after all these years something is happening.

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158

Couldn't they just sink it in 6 mile deep ocean.

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Fripouille

No, unfortunately, 158. It contains many dangerous products, including radioactivity. That's why the dumping of most types of vessel at sea is theoretically illegal...

Hope this helps

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kuuva

sinking it would seem logical. it will corrode and just become part of the sea floor, asbestos is a naturally occurring mineral. 1000 ft would probably be enough

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Fripouille

Hi Kuuva,

The problem isn't asbestos in fact. As you say, it wouldn't (as far as I know) do much harm down there. 

As I mentioned to 158, that ship contains many very dangerous toxic substances that would eventually seep out and into the sea if it were sunk. That practice almost no longer exists for that reason, although some military Navies still use old ships for target practice, and new missile testing, after having them (ahem, theoretically) cleaned up....

Hope this helps.

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Paschen

i know that Carrier well. It was a flag ship of the French Navy once.

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Fripouille

I worked with her. I was once on a British Tribal-Class frigate in the Med doing an exercise with her during my time in the navy. Fine ship. My job was Electronic Warfare, and I remember having fun radioing the guys on the Clem to coordinate our efforts to keep tabs on the Russian ships monitoring us.....

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Babel-Fish

Asbestos is not allowed as a banned product, UK used to use asbestos as an insulating material until its health damages was reported in the media by a concerned government, then the purge to rid buildings not only in UK asbestos cause a great problem concerning building insurance that ended up as a financial crisis and some funny goings on in Lloyd's of London where risks where past on to unsuspecting outsiders.(hmm similarly as the financial risks of American securities have caused problems outside of America).

There are of course experts in the field of Asbestos removal and good guidelines on its safe removal under UK Health and Safety laws. It then stand out clearly that if the Asbestos is removed and disposed of not to cause an environmental problem, why sink the boat and waste te recycled metal thus loss an income on its disposal and not waste useful metal.  

Toxic is however not a term really in reference to Asbestos its danger is not of a toxic nature its actually a breathing hazard and its dust fibers cause a lung related disease similar to miners or farmers lung, not related to a poison.  So asbestos is better declared as an airborne health hazard. Actually in a non damaged state its harmless it only becomes a danger when damaged and great care in wearing an industrial mask, good protective glasses and protective clothing is a now must when handling asbestos.

UK of course has not rid all of its building of asbestos and from time to time a news story can be found in local news papers about a discovery of asbestos in a classroom of a public building. Its problems where over hyped by the media much of the asbestos had been sandwiched with no asbestos material with not much chance of exposure and I must admit to owning an old ironing board that had a asbestos heat insulating pad, in fact many people still do. I also expect in your own country this could be when damage health hazard is still around in an old fire wall or even as part of a buildings external ceiling etc.

I have handled plenty of asbestos during my life without a mask before the dangers where known and thankfully I have still a good set of lungs. Yes its a problem and I am glad it was banned but the problem was over hyped as usual but it was for the best.  

      

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dowdinsk

Apropros asbestos:

Barking and Dagenham is the tenth worst place in the whole of the UK for men experiencing the effects of asbestos which has been called the worst industrial killer. The nine boroughs worse than Barking and Dagenham are all in shipbuilding regions.

badasbestos.org.uk

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Fripouille

Just an anecdote.

I am an ex-matelot, and was in Toulon four or five years ago, visiting friends. I was thus horrified to see the Clemenceau docked there, in full view of the many tourists, rusting sadly away whilst waiting for the French Government to have the courage to do something about it.

I mean, to a matelot, this awful lack of respect is like leaving your deceased Grandma on the path outside your house for a week!!

She was a fine piece of engineering for her time....RIP.

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tizef

The clemenceau leaving Brest harbour

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