Future Shop is Ripping People Off!

by count funk | March 13, 2007 at 06:26 pm
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My story begins 26 months ago, where I made one of the dumbest mistakes in my life: I went to Future Shop to buy a new notebook computer. Unfortunately I wasn't as technologically savey at that point in my life, so I spent over $1800 on a Cicero notebook.

I did not use the notebook too often, usually opting for my desktop computer. After 14 months of limited use, the notebook overheated and the casing around the battery melted. The computer still worked, but only if plugged in, or resting on a hard surface. If I moved the computer or even picked it up slightly, the battery would lose its connection. At the time I saw it as no big deal. I didn't use the notebook without it plugged in anyways. Plus I was two months past the expiration of Future Shop's warranty. I knew at this time Future Shop was infamous for poor customer service (which is an understatement as I recently found out), so I decided the defect was not worth the hassle.

Recently (26 months after I purchased the notebook), the computer has been overheating within three minutes of being on. This causes the computer to shut off and makes it useless. I thought of the $1800 I spent on the computer and found it hard to believe that Future Shop was not liable for any cost of the repairs for the computer. Fortunately for me, I have a lawyer in the family, so I asked him if the vendor was responsible in a case like this where a product doesn't live up to its expected lifetime. He directed me to a piece of Saskatchewan Legislation called the Consumer Protection Act (which there is similar legislation inother provinces).

Here's the part few people know...

According to the Consumer Protection Act all products sold come with these unwritten "Statutory Warranties" ("Consumer Protection Act -PDF", Section 48). These warranties define what any reasonable person would expect when they purchase a product. Basically they guarantee the product works as it is supposed to and fits the description of what the consumer thinks s/he is paying for. In my case, they also guarantee "that the product and all its components are to be durable for a reasonable period,..." ("Consumer Protection Act -PDF", Section 48(g)). So the law says that my notebook, including its parts (i.e. the battery) should last a reasonable ammount of time. What is a reasonable amount of time? Obviously it differs depending on the product. But I do believe that a battery for a notebook should last longer than the 14 months when it overheated, I feel it should even last longer than the 26 months when the computer became ruined. I think most people would agree. Simply put, does anyone go and spend more than $1000 on a computer expecting it to last only two years? If this statutory warranty is broken, the vendor is liable to the consumer for the cost of repairs, or if the product is beyond repair, the vendor is liable for the purchase price of the product ("Consumer Protection Act -PDF", Section 57(1)(b)).

With this new knowledge, I thought surely Future Shop would be willing to incurr the costs to repair my computer. I took the notebook in to Future Shop and asked them if the could repair it. After they found out it was over a year past warranty, they said I would have to pay for repairs. When I mentioned the Consumer Protection Act, the manager I was speaking with brushed it off by saying he thought there might be a battery recall on these computers, in which case I would not have to pay for anything. I left the notebook with Future Shop's repair centre in hopes of a quick response, because afterall, it shouldn't take long to see if a battery has been recalled.

A week later I had still not heard from Future Shop. After trying to telephone them and being left on hold for 30 minutes multiple times, and leaving multiple messages, I decided it was something to deal with in person. I went in to the store on three different occasions before I found somebody who was able to help me. This time it was a different manager. He checked the status of my repair and said the tech employees had not gotten to it yet. When I explained it was simply a case of looking into a recalled battery, the tech support employee who was on duty overheard and informed us that there has never been a battery recall on a Cicero notebook. I was furious, I felt like I was getting the run-around. This was even confirmed when I saw the repair drop-off slip that I signed when I first took the notebook in. A note was written on it that wasn't there when I signed it. It said, in all upper-case, "CUSTOMER DOES NOT WANT TO PAY FOR REPAIRS". Of what relevance is that to the tech support employees? To me that translates to "don't bother fixing this anytime soon".

I was very frustrated that Future Shop had not even looked at it yet. Luckily the Consumer Protection Act covers this situation. It says that if the vendor can not, or will not, repair the product within a reasonable amount of time, the consumer can take the product elsewhere to be repaired, at the vendor's cost ("Consumer Protection Act -PDF", Section 57(1)(a)). So I left with my computer.

I took the notebook to three computer service centres in Saskatoon and I was told the same thing by all of them: "We can't get parts for this computer, we can't do repairs on this brand and there is nowhere else in the city that can". Unsure of how I was going to get my computer fixed, I called the manufacturer. I spoke with their customer service employee and I found out that Cicero had gone out of business, and I was speaking with a representitive from a new company, who took on Cicero's warranties. He told me the only place I could take the computer to have someone take a look at it was Idaho, in the US. He also said that since the company was no longer in business, parts would not be available.

Something else that all people should know...

So here I was with a computer that did not meet the Statutory Warranties defined in the Consumer Protection Act. And even if Future Shop did recognize the Consumer Protection Act, there was no way to repair my computer. This is also a violation of the Consumer Protection Act, which states "where the product normally requires repairs, that spare parts and repair facilities will be reasonably available for a reasonable period after the date of sale of the product" ("Consumer Protection Act -PDF", Section 48(h)). This basically says if a product is known to need repair (which computers do), the vendor must have the resources to do this, otherwise it is a breach of the Statutory Warranties.

Knowing that Future Shop had now violated the Consumer Protection Act in two different ways, I set up a time to speak with the Store Manager at Future Shop and I brought my lawyer in order to explain the legal side of things. We spoke with the manager, and whenever we refered to the Consumer Protection Act, his exact words were "that's not the way I read the law". That was the worst cop-out I have ever heard. Making no progress with the manager, he offered to pass our complaints on to Future Shop's legal department and he said that they would be in contact with me.

A week after that meeting, I had not heard a thing from Future Shop, so I emailed the manager asking him if he did forward on the information to his legal department. A WEEK later he replied to my email, simply saying "yes, they'll be in contact with you". I replied asking when, and it is now a week later and I'm still waiting for a response.

The most important thing all people should know...

First, and most obvious, don't buy anything from Future Shop. They won't stand by any of their products. Also, they quite blatently ignore the law. And secondly, know what rights you have as a consumer. I know Alberta, Ontario, Quebec and Manitoba all have legislation similar to Saskatchewan's Consumer Protection Act, and I'm sure the rest of the provinces/territories do too. Just because a product is past warranty, does not mean the vendor isn't responsible for it anymore. Also, know that you have a right to repairs. When I was in Future Shop for my last meeting with their manager, a lady was at the customer service desk with a new looking video camera asking for a repair. The Future Shop employee told her that they don't service those anymore and that she was out of luck.

Know your rights, and don't trust Future Shop.

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Pat_Nolan

"At the time I saw it as no big deal."

-- You lost your credability right there.

"Simply put, does anyone go and spend more than $1000 on a computer expecting it to last only two years?"

-- umm yes. They typically only last about 18 months. 

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count funk

"They typically only last about 18 months" 

--Are you
serious?  I just parted ways with a computer that was 5+ years old. 
And there was absolutely nothing wrong with it.  I simply sold it to
another person so I could put the money towards a new one.

 "You lost your credibility right there"

 --I'm
really not sure what you mean by this...all I was saying that I rarely
used the computer without it being plugged in, and therefore it was not
worth the hassle of dealing with Future Shop over something I thought
was not going (and did not) effect me at the time.

I appreciate the comments.  I hope you don't get duped by Future Shop.  If you are a huge supporter, next time you go in, count how many people are in the customer service/repair line, and how many people are actually shopping...

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Pat_Nolan

Computing changes so rapidly that 18 months seems to be the effective lifespan of a laptop. They are typically underpowered and outdate quickly.

 It doesn't matter if you felt it didn't affect you. The fact that you waited 26 months to raise the complaint negated your complaint. 

 I never even heard of future shop, so I find it unlikely that I would go in there. My suggestion to you is if you are going to buy a computer and you aren't a techie, stick to the majors like HP, Compaq and Dell. 

 

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count funk

I think the 18 months you are referring to is Moore's law, which states that the technology doubles at a rate of 18 months.  This has nothing to do with the durability of the product, or how long a computer should last.  It simply means that in 18 months, there is a new computer out that is twice as good as one you could buy now.  This does not mean that computers are expected to break after 18 months.


In regards to my complaint being negated, I still disagree.  My complaint was not about the casing being melted at 14 months.  It was about the fact that at 26 months, the computer would not work anymore and that's when I complained.


As for your last comment, that is very good advice.  Fortunately I've become a little more of a techie since that point, and have invested in a Mac Book.

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at 06:51 on March 14th, 2007

Count Funk your story is well-written and you describe your difficultites well, but have you tried to get a comment from a FS official to balance your story? One of the strange aspects of citizen journalism is that in cases like this it is difficult to apply the normal rules of journalism, since traditionally it relies on concepts like objectivity, fairness, balance.

Still, I will point FS to this article for its reaction. Please watch this space for further developments. 

Actual News Guy 

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count funk

Thanks for the comments.


I agree, comments from FS would be a great addition to my story.  But dealing with them through this whole situation, the only comments I got from them were "that's not how I understand the law", and "we don't deal with this legal stuff".  Unfortunately I've tried to get in contact with their legal department, but their contact information is very hard to find.  I've even emailed the local store here trying to get that information, but as I said in the story, they are very slow to get back.


That would be great if you could have someone from FS take a look at this story, I'm very interested to hear what some of the people higher up in the company (one's who are allowed to have an opinion) have to say.


Thanks again!

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Jordan Yerman

I see where you're coming from, but since you as the consumer did not bring an obvious defect (laptop parts should NOT melt, even those of the dual-core machines)  to the reseller's attention within a reasonable timeframe, you may be out of luck. The second problem would appear to be a knock-on effect from the initial problem, if you have been using a demonstrably overheating machine for more than two years. (I work in the computer sales/service industry)

I don't know why you weren't told any of the above right away, but that's why I don't shop at big-box stores either. Let us know how the case progresses.

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John D

Hey Dude,

  Nothing last forever.  I bought a laptop with their extended service plan. after 2 years, it died. after they checked it out.  it's cost too much to repair so they offered me with a brand new laptop.  I was really happy with the service and the technician who help me out. it is worth the money to invest the plan.  it's only 30% of laptop price.  next time, ask about the manufacture warranty and knowing what you are buying.

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Divine-Intervention

You, my friend, just failed miserably. If you pay 1000$ for a computer that lasts 18 months then you have been ripped off.

I bought my computer for 560$ 2 years ago and today, it is still perfectly fine.

I think you are just one of those sore-losers trying to suck up to Futurshop. One more time for you : If you pay 1000$ for a computer that lasts 18 months and you think it is perfectly fine then you are just a plain moron.

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count funk

Just an update on this story, Future Shop (or Best Buy, they're one in the same), has agreed to settle this for $1000.

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bgoluboff

Thank you for sharing your story.     I too had a bad experience with Future Shop about 6 years ago.     I bought my first dvd player then - it had a 30-day guarantee.    After only a few days, the machine started freezing up for several seconds towards the end of a movie, then continued playing.     Although I had never owned a dvd player previously, I figured something was wrong, so at one week after purchase, I went back to Future Shop and explained the problem.     A very young ( and inexperienced ) employee told me that it was "normal" for dvd players to do that, as it was a new technology.....not to worry.     I went home, and in the following weeks of usage the problem got worse, where it started freezing up within the first 5 minutes of a movie and would get stuck, making it impossible to view even 15 minutes of a dvd.

 I went back to Future Shop again, and told them I wanted an exchange or a refund.    They flat-out refused to do EITHER.   It was past the 30 days ( I had been out of town for a couple of weeks), and they did not care that I had been given such bogus information by their own employee.   

 I now had a brand new defective dvd player that was unuseable after only a month of ownership !      I had spent $200 on it- it was a name brand - a Toshiba.

 I was so angry I vowed never to shop at Future Shop again.

Since then I've been shopping at Best Buy instead, but found out just a few days ago, that Best Buy OWNS Future Shop !   ( they bought it out in 2001 )

 So, now I'm looking for a new place to shop - any suggestions ?   They seem to have a corner on the market.

 Unfortunately with "Consumer Protection", it is such a hassle and so costly to get any help, the stores know they can get away with all kinds of unethical acts.   Consumers really have next to no protection in this country.    Who cares what laws exist if they are not enforced ?

 I believe the best way to fight back is to simply BOYCOTT these unethical businesses, and send them letters explaining why !     Money and profit speaks volumes more than any one person complaining about consumer laws.    

 Hit them where it hurts ! - right in their pocket books.

 

 

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Victoria Revay

This happens to so many people.  And their 3 month no pay policy hits you hard if you don't pay.

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HC

There is nothing you would be able to do and you are going to incur more of a loss if you take this to court over the Consumer Act... As much as it sucks what had happened to you, Future Shop does not have to repair your computer for you. It is very tricky now. They probably asked you to buy the extended warranty when you first purchased the laptop right? Obviously to us it looks unfair not to expect a computer to last more than a year. But manufacturers only give a 1 year warranty on its products. After 1 year, said product is known to have worked sufficiently for a given time. That is why FS gives extended warranties. They know that if the product lasts a year, manufacturers have deemed it a good product and would not be liable for repairs, and so they give 2-4 year extended warranties. Remember, there is no lifetime guarantee. As much as I would prefer you stick it to these businesses. You would be wise not to bring legal action. You will most likely lose and be stuck with the costs of your own lawyer and that of futureshops lawyers.

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