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"Christian Domestic Discipline": Brutality by Another Name
A group called the Christian Domestic Discipline (CDD) has been advocating relationships of "domestic discipline" applied, not toward the children, but toward the wives.
It has been claiming such "discipline" to be part of "traditional Christian marriage."
It is time that both be seen for what they are.
The relationships of "domestic discipline" - meaning ones in which men use belts and fists on their wives - are rarely ones into which women enter by informed and willing concent. In most cases, it is the case of the woman's family or community bullying the young woman into such a situation in order that they could perpetuate their abuse of her and control her through her husband, and to continue this oppression indefinitely through generations. In most other cases, it is the case of the woman being lured through false advertisement into a cult that practices such a thing and only becoming aware of its true character when she is already married and pregnant and cannot get out.
For this reason it is time to say what is blatantly obvious. If the woman's family wants to do such a thing to her, then they do not deserve her loyalty or power over her or her children. And if a religious group engages in such false advertising, then it does not deserve to preach "morals" or "righteousness" or to claim itself as possessing such things.
Since domestic violence is illegal, the groups that sanction such a thing are in direct violation of the law. Besides this blatant illegality, the concept of "domestic discipline" is incompatible with liberty and human rights. As such, it has no legal place in the countries that practice either. And what likewise has no place in countries that practice either is the desire by families or communities to exercise this kind of control over the free citizens, whatever their gender and whatever their age - as well as the false advertising that misleads free women into becoming part of such frauds.
As for the larger concept of "traditional values," it is likewise a lie. The Christian and Islamic groups who claim this as their ideology had zero respect for the traditions or the values of the thousands of societies and cultures that they wiped out. The concept is especially out of place in America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Latin America, whose white, Asian, part-white, Hindu and Middle Eastern inhabitants are there because either they or their ancestors rejected their families, countries, traditions, values and ways of life in order to seek a different way of life in the New World. Which means that they, having broken with their own ancestry, do not have a right to dictate their way of life to their descendants either.
This is especially true of the sects such as those that promote "Christian Domestic Discipline," as much as it is the case for such groups as Jehovah's Witnesses, Taliban, Wahabbis, Church of Scientology, and the cult of Soon Yung Moon. These cults did not exist for time immemorial. There was life in the places they operate before these started, and mostly it was better than is life in these cults. The people who became part of these cults either did so on their own choice or because they were converted by force or fraud - typically by being given an incomplete and misleading advertisement and only finding out the true character of what they got into when it they were deeply into it, committed, and unable to get out. In the first case, the participants do not have the logical prerogative to dictate to their descendants their "traditions" or "way of life" since they became part of these cults by abandoning their own roots, their own families and their own traditions in order to join them. In the second case, such traditions and ways of life have been placed on the people through force and fraud - meaning that empowering them to leave such cults is a favor done to them and to their descendants.
For women who enter situations such as that of "Christian Domestic Discipline" or Jehovah's Witnesses or Wahabbism on their own choice, it is worthwhile to bring to bear that they've done so by abandoning the way of life that they had before, and that they therefore have no right to dictate to their children that they remain part of such entities. As for the women who are bullied into it by their families or communities, it is rightful to see that the people doing this usurpation are the people who have themselves broken with their ancestral ways to become what they are and to live as they do, and that they likewise do not have the right to dictate to them what they are, what they believe, or what lifestyle they practice. This is especially the case when the lifestyle is as blatantly illegal as "Christian Domestic Discipline," more properly named as church-sanctioned assault.
The Christian Domestic Discipline website contains instructions as to how to beat or to belt one's wife in a way that does not leave marks - presumably so that the woman would have no evidence of brutality should she call the police. Perhaps it is right to respond with instructions as to how to leave an abusive relationship. It may be right likewise to respond with instructions as to how to defend oneself against a brute who would take part in such a thing. If families and communities insist on bullying women into situations of violence and abuse, it is only logical that women learn how to defend themselves in such situations. And it is more logical still that they learn how to leave such situations, as well as how not to get involved in them in the first place.
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jjman (not verified)at 19:19 on April 15th, 2010
Oh please! This is just a christian excuse to get kinky. They wanna play erotic games like non christians play , so they have invented an elaborate excuse to play these sex games while remaining in their faith.
at 20:22 on April 15th, 2010
If that were true, I would have no problem with it. Unfortunately it isn't, and the site actually gives instructions as to how to beat one's wife in a way that leaves no marks.
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steven23 (not verified)at 09:56 on April 26th, 2010
No No No... Christians can get just as kinky as any other couple, you just have to do it within marriage... no where in the bible does it say, "tho wife may not tie you to a bed, hook you in handcuffs, spank you, and call you a naughty boy"... its totally acceptable to do those things WITHIN MARRIAGE... other than that, it is sin... and domestic discipline for wives is a buch of crap... you never hit a woman, as she is the weaker sex, and we are to love them as we love ourselves... that being said, if both parties think they should get spanked for their tresspasses, LET THE FUN BEGIN!
at 18:24 on April 26th, 2010
at 18:25 on April 26th, 2010
Once again, I have nothing against Christians getting kinky. The problem is, that's not what the site advocates. It talks about how there is "an information highway" leading from a woman's "bottom" to her brain "as evil spews out of her mouth" and gives instructions how to hit a woman repeatedly with a fist (5 to 10 times) or with a strap (3 to 5 times) in a way such as not to live marks, more if the woman isn't ready to "repent." What is advocated, is actual domestic violence. And that is something that people vulnerable to falling for this kind of thing deserve to know.
at 20:21 on April 15th, 2010
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Naomi29 (not verified)at 12:39 on April 19th, 2010
My husband and I participate in Domestic Discipline. We don't do it because the 'bible' says so, but we do it because we enjoy it and it works for us. I didn't even read this whole article, because within the first paragraph I saw a load of crap. You need to become better informed- hitting with fists is definitely not acceptable in domestic discipline. Maybe further into an S & M or BDSM sort of thing, but definitely NOT in a loving domestic discipline relationship. It is a spanking. That's it. A spanking never hurt anyone. And if women want their husbands to spank them for their misdeeds, then what is so wrong with that? It is consensual- and it is within the marriage. AKA, it's none of your bees wax. Quit misinforming people of things that you are obviously uneducated on.
at 04:49 on April 20th, 2010
There was definitely a link on the webpage toward instructions for how to hit with fist (five to seven times) or with belt (three to five times) in a way so as not to leave bruises.
If all you want is to consensually get kinky, it's your right. If you want to force domestic violence on women, people have right to stand up to that.
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Charles Pragnell (not verified)at 03:11 on April 22nd, 2010
The Christian religion is the major bastion of Male Supremacism and has brainwashed whole populations for over 2,000 years. Any objective and imartial examination of their Bible demonstrates their attitudes and actions of reviling and degrading females and containing them in a position of subservience and subjugation to males, so this part of their belief system fits with their overall belief system.
at 22:19 on April 23rd, 2010
Charles, thrilled to see you here. I love your work.
It is important to trace misogynistic attitudes that come from Christianity to their source. Also it is important to acknowledge other major sources of misogyny. Freud was not a Christian, but he believed that women were an "incomplete gender" possessing a "penis envy." Mencken was not a Christian either, but he believed that all women were the same and that love was an illusion to the contrary. I've seen misogynistic attitudes in people who were not religious and also in other religions. So that while it is right to confront misogyny that comes from Christianity, it's also important to confront misogyny, period.
Having said that, influences under the banner of Christianity have been the major source of misogyny and corruption in law, and it is important that they be seen for what they are.
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portia (not verified)at 04:40 on April 22nd, 2010
The christian religion and the family law courts go hand in hand, and even order women home to obey their husbands and be good wives.You are so right to advise women to get out of these relationships, but you might need to alert the victims to the trap awaiting for them in the secret family courts, where all is stacked against them as legal system is also patriarchial.www.indymedia.ie/article/96229Charles is so correct in what he says.Naomi, domestic discipline is not the same as BDSM.In truth spanking DOES HURT and destroys the spirit. It is different if you are knowingly taking the pi** out of this patriarchial system through role play in order to empower the woman.St Augustine and his crazy teachings that it is OK to abuse women, simply because he saw his own mother abused is crazy thinking.I know women of 30 in UK who believe it is the duty of the mother to accept all the abuse, physical, mental, psychological, emotional etc so that the children can have the father in the home.These women are totally brainwashed into believing this lie.Christians and family court Judges are actually guilty of aiding and abetting criminals.
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Andries vanTonder (not verified)at 08:34 on April 22nd, 2010
This is another clear example of the attack on religion, drawing true facts out of proportion to suit the evil purpose.Christian is obeying the teaching of Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ. Jesus never taught violence but the opposite, LOVE. Where there is love, there can not be violence. What is taught by some is VIOLENCE under another name, still being VIOLENCE.Remember, to dismantle society you have to break the known ties that bind that society which is - God, family, neighbourhood, person. This is what they are doing and continuing.I do not say the reader must follow my God or religion, but be sure, whatever you believe will be attacked to break you, in order to control you.
at 22:13 on April 23rd, 2010
No, this is an expose of corrupt and destructive practices. Believe me there's more where this came from. What Jesus taught is besides the point. What is important is the behavior of people who call themselves Christian and what they have done to the law, the courts, and the system in the countries in which they operate.
Beliefs get tested. That is the nature of the world, and in a free country you can't stop that from happening. Given the aggressiveness with which people who call themselves Christians like to exterminate everything else that people do and believe, it is right that they be confronted about their actions and their beliefs, especially in situations when these lead them to illegal conduct. And on this I am talking far more and weightier things than just what I wrote about in the original post.
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Krystal Adams (not verified)at 09:50 on April 22nd, 2010
thorbardin2.myfreeforum.org/index.phphere is another place. It's actually more twisted than the Christian Domestic Discipline site. You have to be a member to see the actual sections that talk about CDD! However, it's well worth applying for membership. I got the link from a person in a yahoo group on this same topic.
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Ashli (not verified)at 16:43 on May 23rd, 2010
Are you kidding me? Listen I am a conservatice Christian who believes fully that the man has Spirtual authority alright? He says what church we go to he makes the religious spirtual decisions with the consult of his wife Proverbs 31! Alright also husbands should love their wives like Christ loved the church. Ephesians 5:25-27 and should be Christ like. Did Jesus ever hit anyone? No. Where in the bible does it say Hey you have authority Sir so go beat the crap out of your wife because she doesnt do what you want her too. Wives arent children! I dont even spank my dog alright why would you want to spank your wife unless its your preferred bedroom activity! And if thats it more power to you but dont use the Bible for your male ego. I understand the need to feel powerful and in control and like your a man and your tough but just say your an abusive jerk and you like to hit women not because the bible said so and someone tell me what happens when the man does wrong? Are men perfect? So if my husband gets a speeding ticket can I hit him or is he okay because he has a penis?