Civilization and Freedom

by ishambat | January 3, 2012 at 10:27 pm
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While there are many ways in which civilization can be seen as being destructive of freedom, there are more meaningful ways in which it is conducive to freedom. By civilized I mean this: Being able to work out differences among one another. The more people can do that, the more freedom they get to enjoy. And in that way being civilized very much works for the benefit of freedom.

In uncivilized places, such as the Middle East, there is also very little personal freedom. That is because in such places people don't know how to work out their differences. A love triangle results in one or more people getting killed. A competition between businesses turns into a feud that absorbs whole areas and thousands of lives over generations. A political disagreement turns into a civil war. And further on along the same line.


Whereas the more people are skilled at arriving at solutions that don't result in anyone getting killed, the more freedom is actually possible. One of the greatest cultural accomplishments along that line was French president Mitterand's wife and mistress both attending his funeral and standing next to his coffin. The people in that situation worked out an arrangement that worked for the parties involved. The result was that they all got to enjoy the benefits of that arrangement.


In present world, the most personal freedom is enjoyed by the highly civilized places such as Sweden, Denmark and Netherlands; the least is enjoyed by the least civilized places such as Afghanistan. By being civilized I do not mean financial wealth, although financial wealth can be conducive to freedom in other ways. I mean the attitudes that people have and their ability to work with one another.


The more people can do that, the greater freedoms they can enjoy. And being able to work with one another is therefore very much a part of creating real freedom.

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matt stefanovich

well put, it is quite beneficial to live in a civilized country. it feels good and especially comfortable. I think , that in Europe nowadays are two quite civilized countries- Switzerland and Slovenia {in eastern Europe}. I do not count Sweden or Denmark for a funny reason- I think their traditional food is not very good and when not controlled, they drink too much strong alcohol.   Slovenia is very civilized, considering it was part of a terrible region- adriatic region plunged in the 90ties into a bllody civil war. Slovenians pulled away very fast a tried to take best advice and practices {in politics and business} from both Austrians and Italian. more from Austrians, though. They produce a lot of pharmacy and textile products, have a good living standard and there are nom major gangs or political unrests in the country. a sort of a role model for euast europeans.  Swiss with their rationality, hard work and perfectionism are also very civilized. For a good pay, they can get everything for a tourist or a traveller. Geneva has wonderful cafes and natural setting. people are a bit cold, but very polite. Banks and services are superb. Swiss people in cities also like to welcome tourists who like arts and jazz or any kind of quality music. Painters and writers as well. pleasant country with a pretty low crime rate, too.

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ishambat

Yes, I keep hearing good things about Slovenia. It's done best of all ex-Communist countries,.

The countries of the former communist bloc have certainly gone their separate ways. Nobody was surprised at the success of Central European and Baltic countries; nobody was surprised that Tajikistan sank into the stone ages. There were however some surprises. The biggest one was the ugliness of what happened in Yugoslavia - a country that was seen as the most civilized of all Communist countries. Also surprising was how poorly Moldova, Ukraine and Georgia have fared and how comparatively well Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan did. These places were regarded as very uncivilized during the Soviet rule, whereas Moldova, Ukraine and Georgia were considered avant-garde.

I am not sure if perfectionism is a good quality. I've known a man who used to come at his wife with fists if he saw a speck of dust on the floor. He was of German, not Swiss, extraction; and Germany has had its share of political problems.

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matt stefanovich

perfectionism may lead to tensions in relationships, thats possible. in Switzernad propably swiss marry swiss :)  Geneva consists mostly of people of french descent and in last 100 years also of many foreigners- diplomats, artists, finance people. older people there are raised in a very disciplined way- in the manner of protestant , calvinistic religious tradition.  what you said about the german guy- would be fitting for Geneva in 16th and 17th century- it was a dictatorship, back then. Swiss formula in my opinion is combination of past effectiveness, strictness and perfectionism with modern liberal principles and opening of the country to outside world.

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