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Idiocy at the LA Times
Josh Marshall is too modest to say it but I will: His site is one of the most informative news sources on the web (and beyond). His piece today shows a brutal example of how arrogant centrally planned media can be. I have taken the rare step of including his post in its entirety. What an embarrassment for The Times:
For a variety of reasons I try to stay out of the debates over blogs as such, what they're good or bad at and the rest. But this morning I was alerted to an opinion column in the Los Angeles Times by Michael Skube, a journalism professor at Elon University. The sum of the piece is that the blogosphere is as rife with disputation as it is thin on information, or more specifically, reporting, writing that demands "time, thorough fact-checking and verification and, most of all, perseverance."Now, fair enough. There's certainly no end of blog pontificating fueled by puffed-up self-assertion rather than facts. But Skube's piece reads with a vagueness that suggests he has less than a passing familiarity with the topic at issue. And I will confess to you that what really caught my attention was that in a column bewailing how blogs don't do any real reporting one of the four bloggers he mentioned was me.
Now, whether we do any quality reporting at TPM is a matter of opinion. And everyone is entitled to theirs. So against my better judgment, I sent Skube an email telling him that I found it hard to believe he was very familiar with TPM if he was including us as examples in a column about the dearth of original reporting in the blogosphere.
Now, I get criticized plenty. And that's fair since I do plenty of criticizing. And I wouldn't raise any of this here if it weren't for what came up in Skube's response.
Not long after I wrote I got a replay: "I didn't put your name into the piece and haven't spent any time on your site. So to that extent I'm happy to give you benefit of the doubt ..."
This seemed more than a little odd since, as I said, he certainly does use me as an example -- along with Sullivan, Matt Iglesias and Kos. So I followed up noting my surprise that he didn't seem to remember what he'd written in his own own opinion column on the very day it appeared and that in any case it cut against his credibility somewhat that he wrote about sites he admits he'd never read.
To which I got this response: "I said I did not refer to you in the original. Your name was inserted late by an editor who perhaps thought I needed to cite more examples ... "
And this is from someone who teaches journalism?
Perhaps I'm naive. But it surprises me a great deal that a professor of journalism freely admits that he allows to appear under his own name claims about a publication he concedes he's never read.
Actually, if you look at what he says, it seems Skube's editor at the Times oped page didn't think he had enough specific examples in his article decrying our culture of free-wheeling assertion bereft of factual backing. Or perhaps any examples. So the editor came up with a few blogs to mention and Skube signed off. And Skube was happy to sign off on the addition even though he didn't know anything about them.
I grant you that the blogosphere needs better bloggers. But, as usual, the need for better critics seems even more acute.



Most RecentMost Recommended Comments (12)
at 18:04 on August 19th, 2007
mtippett, Good stuff.
at 18:11 on August 19th, 2007
mtippett, this is great. how embarrassing. thanks for this.
at 18:31 on August 19th, 2007
"Actually, if you look at what he says, it seems Skube's editor at the Times
oped page didn't think he had enough specific examples in his article
decrying our culture of free-wheeling assertion bereft of factual
backing. Or perhaps any examples. So the editor came up with a few
blogs to mention and Skube signed off. And Skube was happy to sign off
on the addition even though he didn't know anything about them."
Amazing. I wonder if his students will confront him Monday morning, as they should. Good stuff.
at 19:24 on August 19th, 2007
Someone should try to track down one of his students.
at 19:48 on August 19th, 2007
I checked out Elon University's website, and unfortunately the School of Communication does not have a graduate program (yet).
at 19:37 on August 19th, 2007
How incredibly embarrassing....if, that is, he has the grace to be embarrassed. Although the blogosphere is incredibly polluted, still and all--a j-professor who professes to be an expert needs to at least get the basics of ethical journalism down himself. He's just tidily put himself into the category of misinformed and uninformed bloggers, no matter who published what he wrote.
at 04:29 on August 20th, 2007
Come on, you all know the traditional media isn't half the institution it pretends to be. Even on its best day. You've got Faux News at the one end and the drivel you find in your local paper at the other.
The only thing notable about this is that it is funny. Guy has well and truly hoisted himself on his own petard.
Relax, laugh, enjoy.
at 04:30 on August 20th, 2007
Its good because it is funny.
at 08:10 on August 20th, 2007
mtippett, always good to see commentary on the blogoshere. Thank you and good stuff.
All I can think of is instead of "buyer beware" it's simply "reader beware" when delving into blogs. Unfortunately, there are a lot of self righteous bloggers...and twisted ones as well....that would like nothing better than to decieve someone...and that is a pitty, but can only be combated by being "beware", not by censorship...unless there is a criminal element.
at 10:14 on August 20th, 2007
It always makes me smile when the very institutions beset by scandal after scandal continue sticking to the party line that somehow their journalism is real. I get the feeling that the struggle between the blogosphere and MSM is really more about branding than quality.
at 11:51 on August 20th, 2007
Anyone who trashes the 'blogosphere' on the merits of the content provided needs to have their head examined - and possibly their tenure revoked.
Like television and radio, 'blogging' is simply a medium. It is, in fact, a website that is updated regularly. That's it.
So to ascribe any sort of worth to the medium through the content that is presented, well that is just foolhardy. And as Jordan pointed out, simply an attempt to regain credibility that was never there in the first place.
It's like saying we shouldn't design, build or use cars because ford makes one that has transmission problems.
Only even more idiotic.
at 14:36 on August 20th, 2007
Really? Ask this guy: Marshall McLuhan