Muslims are to protest outside the Danish embassy in London today over the publication of cartoons of the prophet Mohammed which have caused deep offence.
True indeed Troy. It is an interesting debate. In two
sort of seperate ways. The first because of the overall
reaction. We see in these photographs that people are essentially
protesting their right to protest (the signs reading "Free Speech go to
Hell," "Freedom of Expression Go to Hell") And , as well as the mood
seems to be one which superseeds outrage, and goes straight to the
realm of death threats against all who dare speak about the very real
issues regarding Islam today. A slippery-slope indeed. I am
of course not saying that these people seen here represent all of the
people and their outrage world-wide, but it is telling non-the
less.
And second, and this argument is still in formulation, because I feel
that as a writer, film maker, or cartoonist, ect, you have a
responsibilty to clearly define your critiques of cultures, religions,
movements, governments, ect, which you feel deserve your time, energy,
and well your responsibilty to use the right of free speech without
hate speech. I mean the cartoonist who drew these must have had
something to say. Now he could be just your everyday hate monger,
but if you look at the whole series it seems there is more to it.
And the reality is that he addresses something that is very real.
At least what he percieves to be real. Islam is dealing with an
idenity discourse. There are in fact people who blow themselves
up in the name of Islam. Now of course it is not that
simplistic. Many economic, social, historical, as well as human
rights issues go into this, but on a basic level it does occur in our
world. So I guess the question becomes. If it does occur,
and it is real. Can we tell people they are not allowed to speak
of such things in a society that allows for free speech. Is their
any room for a argument, which says he must not draw the Profit in such
a way or at all. I am not sure if I know the answer. But as
an artist and a writer I am always very interested in this
debate. And on one level I understand the outrage, but on the
other I cannot except that one cannot critique certain religious
figures or their followers, because the religion or its leaders say so.
Peace
In case anyone has not seen the cartoons. I think it is certainly obvious that the cartoon in which the most outrage or anger has been directed towards revolves around the cartoon showing Mohammed with a bomb on his head.
Yes, A clear image of freedom of expression at work indeed.
Perhaps I was unclear. I am having trouble understanding the
purpose of this position or the message. Perhaps you do?
Are
we arguing apples and apples. Or are we saying it is Ok for one
group to express their outrage in a manner they see fit, while the
originator of these cartoons must be held responsible for his
actions? Or is this all free expression? If so why all the
calls for these cartoons to be scensored by world leaders?
Protests are political operations. Why would anyone would organize a protest that plays so perfectly into the hands of their perceived adversaries? This is a made-to-order bush photo op. This is evidence that the followers of Islam are the 'enemies of freedom', exactly the message that Bush has been repeating.
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at 11:39 on February 3rd, 2006
"Freedom of speech is a cornerstone of
democracy, but that should not be taken as an obligation to
needlessly blaspheme others' basic values,"
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greenat 13:46 on February 3rd, 2006
True indeed Troy. It is an interesting debate. In two
sort of seperate ways. The first because of the overall
reaction. We see in these photographs that people are essentially
protesting their right to protest (the signs reading "Free Speech go to
Hell," "Freedom of Expression Go to Hell") And , as well as the mood
seems to be one which superseeds outrage, and goes straight to the
realm of death threats against all who dare speak about the very real
issues regarding Islam today. A slippery-slope indeed. I am
of course not saying that these people seen here represent all of the
people and their outrage world-wide, but it is telling non-the
less.
And second, and this argument is still in formulation, because I feel
that as a writer, film maker, or cartoonist, ect, you have a
responsibilty to clearly define your critiques of cultures, religions,
movements, governments, ect, which you feel deserve your time, energy,
and well your responsibilty to use the right of free speech without
hate speech. I mean the cartoonist who drew these must have had
something to say. Now he could be just your everyday hate monger,
but if you look at the whole series it seems there is more to it.
And the reality is that he addresses something that is very real.
At least what he percieves to be real. Islam is dealing with an
idenity discourse. There are in fact people who blow themselves
up in the name of Islam. Now of course it is not that
simplistic. Many economic, social, historical, as well as human
rights issues go into this, but on a basic level it does occur in our
world. So I guess the question becomes. If it does occur,
and it is real. Can we tell people they are not allowed to speak
of such things in a society that allows for free speech. Is their
any room for a argument, which says he must not draw the Profit in such
a way or at all. I am not sure if I know the answer. But as
an artist and a writer I am always very interested in this
debate. And on one level I understand the outrage, but on the
other I cannot except that one cannot critique certain religious
figures or their followers, because the religion or its leaders say so.
Peace
In case anyone has not seen the cartoons. I think it is certainly obvious that the cartoon in which the most outrage or anger has been directed towards revolves around the cartoon showing Mohammed with a bomb on his head.
at 15:02 on February 3rd, 2006
"We see in these photographs that people are essentially
protesting their right to protest (the signs reading "Free Speech go to
Hell," "Freedom of Expression Go to Hell") And , as well as the mood
seems to be one which superseeds outrage, and goes straight to the
realm of death threats against all who dare speak about the very real
issues regarding Islam today. " <-- Freedom Of Expression ?
"Peace at Home, Peace in the World" M. K. Ataturk
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greenat 15:16 on February 3rd, 2006
Yes, A clear image of freedom of expression at work indeed.
Perhaps I was unclear. I am having trouble understanding the
purpose of this position or the message. Perhaps you do?
Are
we arguing apples and apples. Or are we saying it is Ok for one
group to express their outrage in a manner they see fit, while the
originator of these cartoons must be held responsible for his
actions? Or is this all free expression? If so why all the
calls for these cartoons to be scensored by world leaders?
P.S. Nice quote!
at 17:50 on February 3rd, 2006
Murrow,
I personally do not agree with both of them.
This is not the only hidden agenda of Denmark covered with "Freedom of Expression"...
Thanks
at 23:24 on February 3rd, 2006
This is not a real protest. It looks more like a false flag operation.
Protests are political operations. Why would anyone would organize a protest that plays so perfectly into the hands of their perceived adversaries? This is a made-to-order bush photo op. This is evidence that the followers of Islam are the 'enemies of freedom', exactly the message that Bush has been repeating.