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“Facts Don’t Matter” Says The “Leftosphere” :: MAXINE
Facts Don’t Matter! - A stunning revelation stated almost in emphatic unison from three of the most respected and read political weblog posters presenting at Blogworld & New Media Expo.
This bold announcement came out at a lightly-attended conference module held as part of the “Political Track” at Blogworld last week.
Image Credit: Edmund Jenks (MAXINE)
The module held Friday, November 9, 2007, in a Las Vegas Convention Center conference room was entitled “Right vs Left: Who’s Winning The Battle Of The Blogosphere?” It featured a discussion panel of six political commentators (three from the conservative viewpoint and three from the liberal, uh, progressive viewpoint).The “Right vs Left: Who’s Winning The Battle Of The Blogosphere?” panel moderated by Hugh Hewitt. Image Credit: Edmund Jenks (MAXINE)
The members of the panel included on the Right - John Hinderaker (Powerline), Dean Barnett (contributor to TownHall.com, Weekly Standard, & National Review), Henry Copeland (Pressflex, Blogads), and on the Left, Jeralyn Merritt (TalkLeft), Joe Sudbay (AMERICAblog), and Jerome Armstrong (MyDD).
Moderating the discussion panel was radio talkshow host, Hugh Hewitt. He conducted the session using a question / answer approach that allowed panel members to answer each question in rotation. The subject matter was very interesting, the questions posed by Hugh Hewitt were very probative, and the panel members responded with surprising candor.
Midway through the event, audience participation was encouraged intermittently, with questions and additional comments coming from the floor.Daily KOS Logo - Image Credit: Daily KOS via Wikipedia
Even though the audience for the “Right vs Left: Who’s Winning” session was lightly attended, the members in the audience included some of the most notable political players in the “Blogosphere”, including representatives from Red State and contributors to Pajamas Media. Perhaps the most outspoken audience figure was Markos Moulitsas Zúniga, founder of Daily KOS, who assumed a bit of a role as frequent “admonisher of the moderator” and additional spokesperson for the left.Pajamas Media podium logo used at the Blogworld & New Media Expo tradeshow floor. Image Credit: Edmund Jenks (MAXINE)
Among the more interesting topics discussed:
1. New Media (NM) and Mainstream Media (MSM) - How can new media superstars be brought together with mainline old media? Or are we looking at an Echo Chamber VS. Monopoly situation?
During this discussion, it was unanimously observed that the Left has a distinct edge over the Right. With only four (4) Rightist bloggers in Washington D.C. and thirty (30) Leftist bloggers, panelists agreed that the Leftist bloggers are better organized and more collaborative, helping the Left to widely communicate its positions. The New Media portal strength of the Drudge Report was also seen as a factor in limiting the growth of Rightist bloggers in D.C.
Panelists seemed to agree that activities of the new media world are distinct, and pointed to the social impact of “blog swarms”, “action alerts” and eventual movement of new issues from the new media world over into the mainstream media world. It was never made clear who the initiator of the message really is … MSM or NM.Image Credit: Townhall.com & Hugh Hewitt
2. Media’s Treatment of the War in Iraq – A question from the audience was asked, “What about the recent facts on the ground in Iraq? What happens if developments in Iraq go well? Do these facts change or color the effort to pull all of our troops out when it appears we might become victorious for the hearts and minds of the people of Iraq?”
The responses to this question from the audience member were shocking.
First to respond, Jeralyn Merritt stated, in unequivocal terms “Facts Don’t Matter!” The questioner from the audience interjected, “What? Facts don’t matter?” Merritt responded again, “That’s right. Facts Don’t Matter. We want our troops home. Until they are home, the war was just a mistake.”
Hewitt then asked the other members on the panel who were representing the Left, “Do facts matter in Iraq?”
Not only did the other two panelists from the Left (Sudbay and Armstrong) repeat the phrase in agreement, “No, the facts don’t matter”, but Daily KOS founder Markos Zuniga (from the floor) weighed in by repeating the phrase loudly, to the surprise of a few of us in the room. “No. The Facts Don’t Matter.”
The unison was stunning in its word-for-word declaration. This is more than just a talking point. It is a template.
Leftist parties present (on the panel and from the audience) repeatedly stated that 70% of the American populace want the troops out of Iraq and that the US should end the war there now without regard to any other issue.
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This event was eye-opening for us at MAXINE. We suspect that the real reason the opinion weblog sites on the Left operate in unison lies in the fact that Mainstream Media is firmly based in promoting Left-of-center political viewpoints. With the MSM as a powerful and centering force, the “Leftosphere” is able to act as an unfettered and undisciplined subset, “MSM.2”.
Further, there is no such thing as an echo chamber for opinions from the Left but with this union, it is more like a megaphone or P.A. effect. The same thoughts and opinions broadcasted and then re-broadcasted through the different mediums.
One of the most disturbing developments of this POV is that on-air news personalities now feel they have to jump into blogging in order to remain relevant. This is a mistake if the MSM news outlets want to be perceived as (just the facts) Real News Outlets! If this catches on, the MSM will become a subset of … your guessed it … ITSELF!Image Credit: AMERICAblog.com website
The above “Facts Don’t Matter” incident stands as a glaring example of the unfettered and undisciplined nature of the Leftosphere.
With this template that “Facts Don’t Matter”, it makes one wonder what other issues that affect our safety, our culture and our lives is this applied to?
It is time to think about the next election, and it is time to think about it with this “Facts Don’t Matter” template as a backdrop.
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Edmund Jenks
Los Angeles, California, United States








Most RecentMost Recommended Comments (13)
at 15:04 on November 14th, 2007
Edmund Jenks, thanks for the report. sounds like interesting stuff.
at 15:38 on November 14th, 2007
Edmund Jenks, good stuff.
Is anyone surprised that the left doesn't think facts matter? No, but it is surprising that they would say it. I guess they don't have sophisticated media handlers like real political operations. It won't make a difference to their readerst though that they said this.
at 18:29 on November 14th, 2007
I would be very interested to see a transcript of the entire conversation, or to hear their version of what happened.
at 18:34 on November 14th, 2007
I was in attendance on a press pass (taking notes) and John Hinderaker (PowerLine) was part of the panel. Hugh Hewitt referred to the incident on his program yesterday.
After the session was held, I dropped by the show management office to seek an audiotape/videotape of this session. They did not record this particular session, but I am hoping this blog brings forward someone else in attendance who may have recorded it independently.
At the very least this may get the ball rolling. There were many witnesses.
at 05:15 on November 15th, 2007
Hi Edmund -- great reporting on this one but it really should be an opinion piece. Not going to Wrench it, just a gentle nudge...
at 06:40 on November 15th, 2007
Brian:
An additional comment from one of the "accused" (I'd say observed) and reply was just posted in comments.
I debated about making it an opinion piece but politics won out because the vast bulk of the post was a report based on observations.
at 06:16 on November 15th, 2007
Edmund Jenks, good first hand reporting
at 06:26 on November 15th, 2007
This Comment & Response Re-Posted From A Comment & Response Submitted At MAXINE:
talkleft said…That’s not quite right. We said the surge and its outcome don’t matter. The questioner asserted its a fact that the surge is working. I don’t agree the surge is working or that it’s a fact that the surge is working, but it doesn’t matter whether the surge is working. The war was and still is a mistake and always will be a mistake no matter what the outcome.
No one said “facts” don’t matter. It’s what the questioner asserted to be a fact --and the surge and its outcome—don’t matter.
I’d say the fact is the war was a mistake.
2:17 PM PST
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ecj said…Excuse Me!
MAXINE did not make this up. We attended this module only because we were familiar with Hugh Hewitt and the studied way he crafts a question. He may be the most prepared and probing on-air interviewer.
When you see what happened in writing, the arrogance in the way the answers were delivered, the absolute clarity in the unison at the position staked out - “Facts Don’t Matter” - I really wish someone had recorded the exchange.
You may notice, if talkleft had happened to glance through the over 500 postings here at MAXINE, we are not given to staking out inflammatory and “factless” positions. That is exactly why it took nearly five days before this post was placed here at MAXINE.
Four people, three on the panel, and one in the audience (now, a recently announced contracted contributor to NEWSWEEK), stated clearly and with emphasis “Facts Don’t Matter” and many were shocked at the candor as you may be shocked to read the truth and facts of this posting.
No topic, issue, or position should be handled or arrived at in this way, but the emotional declaration and viewpoint was clear in its communication on this day, in this room, at the Las Vegas Convention Center during the Blogworld & New Media Expo.
-- Facts Don’t Matter To The MSM.2 Leftosphere --
5:40 AM PST
at 06:35 on November 15th, 2007
So unfortunately this has turned into a 'he said, she said', it's too bad this wasn't recorded or anything.
It would be nice to hear from a third party who was present (and not affiliated with any of the respective speakers) to see what they have to say.
What did your notes say they said, exactly?
at 06:49 on November 15th, 2007
Rob:
In this Left/Right world we live in, the only way we will get to what actually happened is to have this session on videotape (many angles preferred). As talkleft, who was on the panel, there was a discussion and the issue of "Facts" was introduced. What is appearently in dispute by one of the observed, is what and how something was communitated.
I stand by my observations ... they were supported through notes and the observation of my editorial assistant. As I mentioned before, I attended this function on a Press Pass and I took this responsibility seriously.
at 07:09 on November 15th, 2007
Would you be willing to write those notes out, at least for that specific part of the discussion?
at 07:41 on November 15th, 2007
Rob:
The notes are in the post - I will see what I can do. Again, these are observations from a point in time and the events occured in this matter to the best of two observers recollection.
I will see what I can do.
at 06:51 on November 15th, 2007
Notes? We have to take notes?:-)