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U of F Student Tasered, Arrested During John Kerry Forum
What is going on here? Any Lawyers in the house? UPDATE: Students Marching. University Launches Probe of Tasing Incident
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University of Florida student who was arrested and Tasered during a
forum featuring Sen. John Kerry touched off a debate about campus free
speech and raised questions about whether campus police used excessive
force.A judge released Andrew Meyer, 21, a student at the University of
Florida, from jail Tuesday on his own recognizance. A phone call
seeking comment from Meyer’s attorney, Robert Griscti, was not returned.A video of the incident shows Meyer, a journalism student, trying
repeatedly and heatedly to ask Kerry why he conceded the 2004 election
after multiple reports of disenfranchisement of black voters and rigged
electronic-voting machines.Meyer then struggled with several officers, yelling for help and repeatedly asking “What did I do?”
In
the clip, officers force Meyer down as the student says he will walk
out of the auditorium if officers let him go. They warn him that he
will be Tasered -- an electric shock weapon used by police to subdue
suspects.Some audience members applauded as Meyer was pulled away from the
microphone, but others in the crowd could be heard telling Kerry to
answer the question. After being forced to the ground, Meyer can be
heard crying out, "Don't Tase me, bro, don't Tase me" before the
electric shock is applied. He is heard howling in pain.As police intervened, Kerry is be heard saying: "That's all right.
Let me answer his question." While Meyers was being dragged off, Kerry
said, "Unfortunately he's not available to come up here and swear me in
as president."Two campus officers have been placed on paid administrative leave,
University of Florida President J. Bernard Machen said in a statement
released Tuesday afternoon."Administrators and police officials plan to analyze the incident
and conduct an internal review and will consider changing protocols in
response to this incident, if necessary," Machen said.Kerry's office released a statement saying he was not aware of the severity of the police response.
"In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and
highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way," he
said in the statement. "I believe I could have handled the situation
without interruption, but again I do not know what warnings or other
exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his
barging to the front of the line and their intervention."I asked the police to allow me to answer the question and was in
the process of answering him when he was taken into custody," Kerry
said. "I was not aware that a Taser was used until after I left the
building."I hope that neither the student nor any of the police were
injured," he continued. "I regret enormously that a good healthy
discussion was interrupted."Some experts believe Meyer could claim the use of excessive force in the incident.
“I would find it highly likely that he is going to sue,” said Greg
Lukianoff, president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in
Education, a free-speech group.Karen Conti, an attorney in Chicago, said Meyer has a good argument
for excessive force since officers Tasered him when he was under
control.“I think the police officers were probably embarrassed that this was
going on," Conti said. "I think they weren’t expecting anything like
this and I think they overreacted."The videotape could help prove excessive force, Lukianoff said.
“One weapon in combating campus abuses is to show the abuses in the light of day,” Lukianoff said.
But in a juror's eyes, the video might hurt — not help — Meyer’s case, Conti said.
“There’s going to be a lot of jurors who are going to say, ‘You know what? That kid asked for it,'” Conti said.
The university launched an internal investigation and also requested
the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to review the incident,
seeking all facts before coming to a conclusion.“It's easy to look at the video and maybe arrive at a conclusion
quickly,” said Steve Orlando, a spokesman for the University of Florida.The Florida chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union called the
incident "disturbing" and awaited the conclusion of the investigation."People have a reasonable expectation to ask questions in a public
setting — even if they are aggressive and some disagree with their
position — that is free speech, plain and simple," Howard Simon, ACLU
of Florida executive director, said in a statement.Police are recommending a felony charge for disrupting a public event. Prosecutors will make the call.
Students held a protest rally Tuesday afternoon, walking to the university police department on campus.
Orlando said the university welcomes student free speech, but asks them to do it peacefully.
“Students have every right to go out and express themselves, that’s
what they’re doing and they have every right to do it," Orlando said.
"We want to accommodate them.”
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url="http://www.gainesvillesun.com/article/20070918/NEWS/709180325/1007/NEWS"]U.S.
Sen. John Kerry's speech at the University of Florida came to a
dramatic close Monday, shortly after a vocal audience member was hauled
off by police and shot with a Taser gun.
University of Florida
student Andrew Meyer is restrained by police Monday after trying to ask
U.S. Sen. John Kerry a question during a town hall forum.
Toward the conclusion of Kerry's UF forum, 21-year-old Andrew Meyer
approached an open microphone at University Auditorium and demanded
Kerry answer his questions. Meyer, a UF student in the College of
Journalism and Communications, claimed that University Police
Department officers had already threatened to arrest him, and then
proceeded to question Kerry about why he didn't contest the 2004
presidential election and why there had been no moves to impeach
President Bush.
A minute or so into what became a combative diatribe, Meyer's
microphone was turned off and officers began trying to physically
remove him from the auditorium. Meyer flailed his arms, yelling as
police tried to restrain him.
He was then pushed to the ground by six officers, at which point
Meyer yelled, "What have I done? What I have I done? Get away from me.
Get off of me! What did I do? Help me! Help."
Police threatened to use a Taser on Meyer if he did not "comply,"
but he continued to resist being handcuffed. He was then Tased, which
prompted him to scream and writhe in pain on the floor of the
auditorium.
After the incident, Capt. Jeff Holcomb of the UPD said Meyer had
been charged with disrupting a public event and placed in the Alachua
County jail.
Holcomb said there would be an investigation into whether the
officers used force appropriately, adding that employing a Taser gun
would only be justified in a case where there was a threat of physical
harm to officers.
In a news release sent out after the event, UPD officials said Meyer
had been "partially" handcuffed before the Tasing. Holcomb said
"partial" handcuffing implies only one hand was cuffed, adding that it
would be "atypical" to use a Taser on someone who was fully cuffed.
As Meyer was escorted away, he was followed by several students,
including Matthew Howland, 20. Howland, a UF senior who said he didn't
know Meyer, said he was "appalled" by the way UPD officers handled the
situation. Howland acknowledged that Meyer had acted inappropriately by
"rushing" the microphone and forcing a question on Kerry.
"It's a perfect example of when officers take something to a level
that is not necessary," he said. "The officers escalated that
situation."
Throughout the incident, Kerry urged the audience to "cool down" and
proceeded to answer Meyer's question about contesting the election. As
officers escorted Meyer from the auditorium into the lobby, Kerry went
on to explain that he did not think there was sufficient evidence of
voter suppression to justify contesting the 2004 election.
"We just couldn't do it in good conscience because we didn't have that evidence," he said.[/q]
GAINESVILLE, Fla. — A University of Florida student was Tasered and arrested Monday when he attempted to speak at a forum with U.S. Sen. John Kerry during a question and answer session, university officials said.Andrew Meyer, 21, asked Kerry why he did not contest the 2004 presidential election, which he lost to President Bush, and why there had been no moves to impeach Bush.
"He apparently asked several questions — he went on for quite awhile — then he was asked to stop," university spokesman Steve Orlando said. "He had used his allotted time. His microphone was cut off then he became upset."
While as many as four police officers tried to remove Meyer from the forum, he yelled for help and asked "What did I do?" Minutes after Meyer started speaking, he was Tasered.
Meyer was charged with resisting an officer and disturbing the peace, according to Alachua County jail records. No bond had been set. Meyer was scheduled to appear in court Tuesday morning, a jail official said.
Orlando said university police would conduct an internal investigation on the incident.
"The police department does have a standard procedure for when they use force, including when they use a Taser," Orlando said. "That is what the internal investigation would address — whether the proper procedures were followed, whether the officers acted appropriately."
The event was sponsored by the UF student government speaker's bureau, according to a news release. A telephone message left at the speaker's bureau office was not immediately returned Monday evening.
It was not known if Meyer had an attorney.
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Most RecentMost Recommended Comments (17)
at 05:52 on September 18th, 2007
[you guys were right -- tasteless comment on my part, deleted]
at 05:59 on September 18th, 2007
Good thing security has all under control. Sometimes you think security loves to try out their little tasers just to see if they work.
at 07:53 on September 18th, 2007
gmony714, thanks for posting this. I wonder how this got so out of hand, as well. I have a friend who was tasered at a bar in Montana...not a pretty picture. He could smell his hair burning, he said. That should be illegal.
at 08:48 on September 18th, 2007
Are you guys nuts? How can you sit there and say "this is funny" or "good job, police"?
Is this really the society we live in today? There are countless stories of our rights to a fair trial and lawyer deminishing, by the second. Take a look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habius_corpus
Read the section on "War on Terror". It basically says they can lock you up and throw away the key, No Trial, No Lawyer, No proof. All they have to do is say "He is speaking out against the 2004 Bush Election and that makes him an 'enemy combatant'".
And you don't think this kid had the right to ask "Why are you arresting me?" ???
Furthermore, even while screaming "HELP!! HELP!!" no one is the audiance did anything. They just sat there like scared sheep. Is this the nation we have become? A nation of scared sheep?
A College student speaks out at a public forum, is man-handled by the police, ask's to be told "Why are you arresting me? I will leave if you just let me get up", and he is tazed? He is silenced, and no one stands up for him, and you guys applaud the Police??? Applaud this type of behaviour??
I dont mean for this to be police bashing, and im fairly certain THEY were doing their jobs. Its not THEM that is the problem.
Its us, you and me. It's us, the citizens, who need to stand up and say:
"THIS IS WRONG. We should NOT be scilenced for questioning public opinion and government figures. We should not be charged with resisting arrest when we arent even told WHY we are being arrested."
Remember this day, my freinds. Remember your comments. This type of behaviour has been warned about in books like "1984".
Its sounds to me like you actually WANT to live in a police state, where EVERYTHING is monitored, and those who question convention are taken away in a police van, never to be heard from again.
So much for progress.
at 15:20 on September 18th, 2007
So this is how John Kerry - a Democrat, a so-called "good guy" in the war on terror who wants to uphold the constitutional rights of Americans and not resort to the tactics of Bush and his clan - reacts to someone who gives him a hard time? How can a room full of educated university students react so calmly to police crushing freedom of speech five feet away from them? How come Kerry couldnt get the situation under control and step in, rather than have a dissenting voice assaulted and hauled away?
That video is shocking and sickening, and Kerry, as well as everyone else in that room, should be ashamed. If we all go about our business as though this is just one isolated incident, just a nutjob student and some overzealous campus security, the evil will be done. we need to recognize these incidents are becoming more common all over, not bury our heads in the sand.
thanks for the comment tobias.
at 08:28 on September 18th, 2007
gmony714, Thanks for posting this. I dont care what your political leanings are people have a right to express their opinion in this country. Its called free speech. If a politician decides to go an open event, he should expect both positive and negative comments. I don't blame Kerry for any of this, of course, I blame the campus security.
Recently, security and police, have come to believe that they are correct in acting this way. I'm not quite sure why. this scene looks like a scene out of a communist country, where people are removed just like this when they criticise the government. Again, I am not implying that Kerry or any politician had any blame here. The police here acted like the Gestapo.
Whats more disturbing than this, however, is the general ignorance of the public as evidenced by some comments here. Apparently they think its funny. I'd like to see them tasered. Still funny?
at 08:29 on September 18th, 2007
gmony714, I like this story. It's good stuff. this kid might get rich fron this. The taser should only be used when an officer is in danger. These officers were not in danger. and Tobias the good stuff is about getting the story and how it is presented not always agreeing with it.
at 08:47 on September 18th, 2007
Oh ok thanks.
I kinda figured that afterwards and will edit my original response.
nice comments gryphon
This video gave me nightmares last night. We, as a nation, are SO under attack. Our consitution is being shredded. And everyone says "Its not my problem".
How sad are WE?
at 09:00 on September 18th, 2007
Relax Tobias this was one stupid dude and five stupid security guards. I think we will be alright. Soon you can vote and change the leadership.
at 09:01 on September 18th, 2007
gmony714, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 09:31 on September 18th, 2007
gmony714, thanks for posting this. I found it shocking, frankly.
(Good stuff)
at 14:09 on September 18th, 2007
Gmony714, good coverage, the video is shocking. I wish we could make out what Senator Kerry was saying while the whole thing was going down, and why were there are row of cops standing behind him while he was speaking...obviously there are many more questions that need to be answered.
at 15:37 on September 18th, 2007
There are many new uploads of this incident, from different angles and durring different time periods, if you are still curious. youtube.com
at 15:57 on September 18th, 2007
thanks, i looked at the vids and uploaded them to the story. they are quite revealing.
at 23:33 on September 18th, 2007
I hope those of you that think Mr. Kerry was some how directly responsible have since come to realize your error. It is clear from the audio that Kerry did not promt the response.
Anyway, besides all that
If you listen to the reason given for arrest, it is "inciting a riot". Has anyone tried to figure out what the legal definition and basis for the charge is? Lets pretend police are logical for a moment. There could be a logical reason for this insane police brutality. Is there some length of time a person can rant in public for, before he becomes incitement. When does incitement start to take on 'inciting a riot'? Maybe there is a legal volume level or number of times you can raise your voice while you are the center of attention, with a certain number of people around who are not of the same faith, nor political affiliation, after they ask you to step down, and your mic is cut.
Frankly I think its because he was wearing a blue shirt. oh and just maybe because he made a comment that was likely considered condescending and potentially racist to an officer with a taser. As one CNN reporter points out, right before the zaps and screams start, he says "don't tase me Bro". The cop was insulted by that, and acted out in rage, like a spoiled seven year old. Piss him off, he lashes out. If you watch the other video on youtube now, you can see that he was trying to run from the cops before they put him on the ground. It is likely that they got the taser out to threaten him so he wouldn't try to run again when they where standing him up. It was the 'bro' comment that got his ass kicked. A very similar thing happened to me while getting booked at the jail, already cuffed on a DUI charge when I was a kid. I didn't get tased but... I called a male officer a bitch, and they put me in a straight jacket and leg restraints. I was limp, and yelling "I am not resisting you" during the whole event. Then over the next half hour a number of officers took turns kneeling on the side of my face and beating my kidneys. The last was the bitch I mentioned earlier. His question for me was "whose the bitch now?" I think it might be some how ingrained in the immature police brain, for them to snap when offended. They seem to believe any little threat, including a perceived verbal insult from someone already in handcuffs, is an attack on their life. If they can show you how tough they are, the threat is minimized and, duh, who would try something after getting beaten or tased. Its a little like gang intimidation with an official seal.
Oh well, such is the police state we live in. If I tell myself the police have my best interests in mind long enough, maybe I can start to believe that I really was a threat, and I deserved it. Maybe we can all tell ourselves that this poor Andrew character really was trying to get all those students to rip Kerry apart at the seams. If we say it enough times we can believe he almost killed a presidential candidate and U.S Senator. Hell, those cops are heroes. We should have some medals made, and the president himself should come bless these fine officers with honers. Hey, we could even send them home to take it easy with full pay, so they can share some time with their friends and family and not have to spend their vacation time to do so this year.
See, its easy, repeat after me. The police are all good people, think rationally, and always protect us. The police are all good people, think rationally, and always protect us. The police are all good people, think rationally, and always protect us.
Don't believe everything you think.
at 09:15 on September 19th, 2007
It is important for all of us - journalists and regular citizens alike - to remember that democracy is founded on free speech and cannot function without it. news of this sort must be brought to light.
at 15:13 on February 28th, 2009
After seeing this I seriously think most of you Americans are loosing control of what is happening over there. Censorship and "politically correct" might be good concepts (theoretically), but if abused they can become powerful and dangerous instruments. The country of freedom, the American dream.. These concepts are dead, now.
Let's face it: a STUDENT. Who asked a question. And expressed his opinion without offending anyone, his only crime being revealing a political scandal of which everybody who hasn't been lobotomized knows about.
Why did people there CLAP when the police took him out using force and electrifying him?! Have you all lost track of what's right and what's wrong? You claim to be the most civilized country, but this is unbelievable!
I'm an Italian student and I'm planning on moving to the USA to get my master's degree, but after seeing this the only thing I can think about is how ashamed I'd be if something like this had happened in front of me and I had done nothing to stop it. This student might be one of the few who still has a vague idea of what freedom and free thinking mean.