It’s too bad, with so many real issues demanding attention, that we have to deal with such malevolent ignorance as exhibited by Rosie O’Donnell and other, so-called, “Truthers”. When the Truthers first started spreading their conspiracy theories, an unlikely source, “Popular Mechanics Magazine” rose up to counter their claims with facts and science. We owe them another ‘thank you’ for stepping up to the plate once again. To follow the sourced links, go to the “Popular Mechanics” link provided.
Rosie O'Donnell 9/11 Conspiracy Comments:
Popular Mechanics Responds
March 30, 2007
Recently, Rosie O’Donnell, a co-host of ABC talk show The View, made comments on the show that renewed controversy over the collapse of World Trade Center 7.
While saying she didn’t know what to believe about the U.S. government’s involvement in the attacks of Sept. 11, she said, “I do believe that it’s the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel. I do believe that it defies physics that World Trade Center tower 7—building 7, which collapsed in on itself—it is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved. World Trade Center 7. World Trade [Center] 1 and 2 got hit by planes—7, miraculously, the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible.”
She continued: “To say that we don’t know that it imploded, that it was an implosion and a demolition, is beyond ignorant. Look at the films, get a physics expert here [on the show] from Yale, from Harvard, pick the school—[the collapse] defies reason.” (Watch the clip here)
For those interested in what physicist and demolition experts have said regarding WTC 7’s collapse, as detailed in our book Debunking 9/11 Myths, PM offers these notes:
1. Initial reports from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) misunderstood the amount of damage the 47-floor WTC7 sustained from the debris of the falling North Tower—because in early photographs, WTC7 was obscured by smoke and debris.
Towers 1 and 7 were approximately 300 ft. apart, and pictures like the ones here and here offer a clear visual of how small that distance is for structures that large.
After further studies, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) told PM that debris from the 110-floor North Tower hit WTC7 with the force of a volcanic eruption. Nearly a quarter of the building was carved away over the bottom 10 stories on its south face, and significant damage was visible up to the 18th floor (see p. 24 of this report).
The unusual design of WTC7 is also crucial to the discussion, in that key columns supported extreme loads—as much as 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor—as the building straddled an electrical substation. “What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors,” NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder told PM, “it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down.” The tower wasn’t hit by a plane, but it was severely wounded by the collapse of the North Tower. Which is when the fires started.
2. The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center weren’t knocked down by planes—they both stood for more than a half-hour after the impacts. But the crashes destroyed support columns and ignited infernos that ultimately weakened—not melted—the steel structures until the towers could no longer support their own weights (NIST offers a primer here). Ms. O’Donnell fundamentally misstates the case with her use of the word “melting”: Evidence currently points to WTC7 also collapsing because fires weakened its ravaged steel structure.
Tower 7 housed the city’s emergency command center, so there were a number of fuel tanks located throughout the building—including two 6000-gal. tanks in the basement that fed some generators in the building by pressurized lines. “Our working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time,” according to Sunder. Steel melts at about 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit—but it loses strength at temperatures as low as 400 F. When temperatures break 1000 degrees F, steel loses nearly 50 percent of its strength. It is unknown what temperatures were reached inside WTC7, but fires in the building raged for seven hours before the collapse.
3. Demolition experts tell PM that wiring a building the size of WTC7 for clandestine demolition would present insurmountable logistical challenges. That issue aside, there’s a clear-cut engineering explanation for why the building fell the way it did. Trusses on the fifth and seventh floors of the building were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another; with the south face heavily damaged, the other columns were likely overtaxed. In engineering terms, the “progressive collapse” began on the eastern side, when weakened columns failed from the damage and fire. The entire building fell in on itself as the slumping east side dragged down the west side in a diagonal pattern. Still, damage to the Verizon Building (see p. 21 of this report), directly west of WTC7, and to Fiterman Hall (see here) directly north, show that it was hardly an orderly collapse.
NIST is currently preparing its final report on the collapse of WTC7, which is expected to be released this spring. In order to address concerns of conspiracy theorists, the organization added “Hypothetical Blast Analysis” to its research, according to a December 2006 progress report. The report also points out that “NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition.”
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at 13:47 on March 31st, 2007
I take complete exception to this article.
NIST is supposed to provide an explanation in Spring of 2007. Does that end today in your book?
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at 18:49 on April 1st, 2007
I take exception as well.
If free speech and actual as opposed to theoretical democracy is the underlying rationale for the U.S. business community's illegal and immoral tearing up of Afghanistan and Iraq respectively, then Ms. O'Donnell, an American citizen, in entitled to speak her mind. She is asking a pertinent question: did the United States government have a hand in the 911 attacks? We have a right and a tradition in this country of free speech and the right of political and social dissent. Many if not all neo-conservatives selectively apply that freedom as they wish without major mainstream condemnation aside from the supposed prejudice those on the political right to far-right bicker about.
I am not a conspiracy theorist. If a conspiracy exists, it isn't a theory. Nixon's 3rd rate Watergate Hotel caper was one. But let's stick with actions that lead to massive loss of life. Nixon told the American people that the United States military was not in the process and had no intention of bombing Cambodia. That was a lie exposed in black-letter print not by the counter-culture but the Washington Post and New York Times. The United States under the direction of Henry Kissinger attempted to overturn the Chilean government under plans entitled, "Track I" and "Track II." Track I tried to stop Allende from gaining leadership of the country and Track II was planned to help the more conservative elements of the Chilean Army to deal with socialist Salvador Allende prior to his assuming the presidency. In the end, the CIA under then director Willaim Colby engineered the assasination of Allende and placed eventual dictator Augusto Pinochet in his stead. Or so says former intelligence officers who say they were involved in the operations to violate that nation's sovereignty with empirical evidence such as official CIA documents codenamed Project FUBELT available via the National Security Archive.
John Kennedy has his "Bay of Pigs" covert operation against the Cuban government in an attempt to dismantle the Cuban Revolution that removed American sponsored dictator Fulgencio Batista. It is a documented fact that the United States government over the years has tried to assasinate Dr. Fidel Castro more than two dozen times. And the Kennedy brothers assasinations are two domestic cases of clear conspiratorial conduct, if not actual guilt, on the part of the American power structure, it's intelligence agencies and system of people's government. Anyone who accepts the "Magic Bullet" theory is in denial.
Reagan's Iran-Contra scandal was another case of international RICO conducted by the American government. Did not Oliver North tell his questioners that he believed that an American president should not have to go to Congress to approve military action? Did he not go further to explain, in very clear terms, that the United States should in effect rule the world and that in such a situation any advantage the U.S. can gain by any and all means is justified in achieving that political and economic end? Was this conspiracy not uncovered by an internal government investigation after being shamed by a truly free press as in the Watergate scandal?
The Goldwater conservative does not exist any longer. Free speech is free speech.
As far as Popular Mechanics goes, they have been in the pocket of the U.S. Government for decades. Even when their editors debated the two young men that produced the Loose Change documentary on Democracy Now, they simply refused to answer direct questions from the producers, the host and emailed queries from listeners. Again, the conduct is seemingly conspiratorial and I concede that that is not proof of of such activity. But when private citizens in the United States are derided and a minor media personality suggests that this and similar individuals should be executed for treson while American companies only recieve fines for selling American military technology to a foreign government and immediately recieves a new contract to "Improve" on the technology they sold so that the United States "Retains battlefield advantage," any talk of treason amongst the belligerent elements of the righ-wing should fall on deaf ears.
Bush Attorney General Gonzales has been found to be a liar to the Congress about this administration's conspiracy to remove solicitors pursuing crooked Republican officeholders like "Duke" Cunningham and Tom Delay. Since there was an obvious, at least to the congressional commite, scheme between the White House and the Justice Department to purge personnel not actively protecting members of the republican party doing misdeeds and other malfesence. Another republican seeking presidential office is Giuliani, himself involved in two seperate scandals involving wrongdoing on the part of his staff and some shady business deals.
It also makes me wonder why neo-conservatives get so riled when they hear dissent to the "official" story offered by the Bush administration. If we who question the official story are so wrong about this, why get so upset?
at 04:49 on April 2nd, 2007
We owe such a debt of gratitude to the Swiss, who developed the http protocol and the world wide web, and to Mark Andreessen, who developed the browser. Before these breakthroughs, we were completely dependent on the subset of the Democratic Party known as the mainstream press and the broadcast media for our biased news. Access to the internet was like opening a window, and fresh breezes could waft in. However, foul smells can also enter. It is up to the gentle reader to separate the wheat from the chaff.
at 18:45 on April 3rd, 2007
So now Popular Mechanics are the experts, and have all the answers?
On the Charles Goyette radio show, Popular Mechanics' David Coburn, an editor of the 9/11 "debunking" book, was thrashed, taken apart, dismantled, dismembered, laughed off the stage (call it what you want) by the host when he tried to peddle the government's and Popular Mechanics's 9/11 fairy tale. You can listen or download the buttkicking at:
http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/David%20Coburn%20-%20Popular%20Mechanics%20-%20Debunking%209-11%20Myths%20-%20on%20Charles%20Goyette.mp3
If it were a fight, they would have to stop it. So much for Popular Mechanics. Listen for yourself.