Heaven's Gate 2008 - What Ti and Do might say, Now!
First off, my "credentials" - in other words what makes me think I can speak to what Ti and Do might say:
Well, of course there is no way anyone can say absolutely what Ti and Do would say about anything at any one point in time because they are not stagnant people. So that is prefacing what I say with..."I could be wrong" a strong lesson in Ti and Do's classroom that caused some to leave because they could not see themselves wrong about certain things. More on that later. But I am the only long term student of theirs (19 years with Ti and Do, starting at the infamous Waldport, Oregon meeting in September of 1974) in a human body that cares to talk about it. I go by the name Sawyer a name Do gave me. After that I became Swyody and part of what I want to discuss now is how those names came about. What few know is that when Do felt that the students that remained by 1993 were "dyed in the wool", so to speak, which meant trying as hard as they could, having accomplished enough of what they needed to accomplish in their "changeover", he gave us new names and my name became SwyDoTe (yes Te not Ti). There were 24 students at that point. We wondered if that made us the 24 elders spoken of in the Book of Revelations though we were hardly that "elder" really. We were more the 24 toddlers but that's not to put anyone down but to keep the ego in check.
Ego is something I wanted to address here. Ultimately it is what kept me as Ti said, "off the spacecraft". Ti told me that I was "a little too pleased with self" and I "liked to be seen as something special" and the third thing she told me would keep me off the spacecraft was that I was "sometimes sarcastic with humans" speaking to those who were not seeking to break out of their human mold to the accellerated degree that we were attempting to do. When you walk out the door of your life and try not to look back and deal with the pain you feel that others may feel in your absense and your own root system pain and convert that to working on yourself around the clock with all kinds of tools introduced to help you do that, you are accellerating what all humans go through. Some humans go through it certainly in more suddenly tramatic ways which is far from easy, but when it's self induced and you can choose to give up on it, it's that much harder and especially when it becomes even ordinary. One of the hardest lessons my classmates and I dealth with was the same as many who never were in that kind of classroom - monotiny, boredom, frustration with our own slowness to change - finding it hard to feel motivated - doubts about our direction. Other major areas to conquer were of course sensuality of all kinds and like I already said Ego - the letting go of self - a very Buddist idea. By the way Ti and Do felt fond of Buddism for many reasons.
When someone judges or a better term is "measures" another's value or purpose or goodness they are simply seeking to feel superior and that is because they are desperate to feel significant and it contributes to their overall Ego - how they think and/or portray themselves to others. People that are "meek" - more prone to follow another's lead can be intimidated by the Egotistical and rightly so as because of that Ego some take it to such a degree that they "prey" on others. They in subtle and blatent ways justify the manipulation of another. There are hundreds of examples of this in our world in business, in government and in spirituality in all their forms.
And this is what I saw in a post from a newish "ody" who took the name "ody" and said he was speaking for the new members of Heaven's Gate. In his article posted in NowPublic.com entitled: "HEAVEN'S GATE Is Resurrected With New Followers" he lambasted two people he named who are the keepers of TELAH foundation, who were entrusted by Do with many responsabilities to include the cost and maintenence of the Heaven's Gate web site, all legalities pertaining to what was left behind and a bunch of materials they had published or asked them to publish. Now this is not entirely in defense of those two of the TELAH foundation, as they certainly could have made mistakes but to judge them by labeling them: "corrupt", and "wolves in sheeps clothing", "not true believers" and more...well...without my falling into judging the person who said these things I will say that the "know not what they say" and that it to me smacks of one of those big egos that I am personally familiar with as it is a common characteristic of a zealot. Don't get me wrong, as all things it can have it's positive applications. I invite you to review this segment of the article this self determined ****ody wrote back in June to which I just became aware. Afterwards I will explain some things about M*** and S**** K*** in relation to Ti and Do and why the writer of that article might want to reconsider his stance.
I do this because of all of you who read articles re: Heaven's Gate. The writer of that article is right that "corruption" will take place. This is an example of it. It's not sown intentionally. Corruption isn't the best word having that moralistic component we are all too fed up with from the religious community. Dilution is the word I recall Do using in reference to what happened after Jesus left attributed big time to Paul of Tarsus the unwitting sower of a great deal of dilution that so many Christians today adhere to and quote while the things Jesus said they keep at arms length as they are too darn hard to consider. I understand that and in a sense it can all work out to good. The Level Above Human are masters of taking negatives and making positives out of them.
Now, there is a possible corruption in the ranks. "Do" warned people that the information can become corrupt after he leaves. Well, it happened. According to ***ody, the corruption is at the very headquarters of the Telah Foundation. The original website is owned and operated by M*** and S**** K***- two apostates from Heaven's Gate. Alot of us at "the new followers" don't believe that M*** K*** is a true believer and/ or follower of "Heaven's Gate". Read ***ody's stories of "Heaven's Gate" and decide for yourself if Mr. K*** should be the proud owner and with-holder of NL information. Sure, some new followers told me that he has sent them some books and some video tapes. But, after a while, the books and tapes stopped coming when he was told that the books were for new believers of Heaven's Gate. I've heard from some other people, that heard from the grapevine, say that he is a nice man. Being "nice" won't save you from Hell. The Devil acts "nice". His ACTIONS are what display fruits. Examine the FRUITS. If he is a "believer" of Heaven's Gate, why is he married if "Do" specifically taught against that? If Mr. K*** is such a staunch believer of Heaven's Gate, then why is he with-holding audio sermons and the book from us new converts? Where are his actions scriptural? Where are his actions favored by "Do"? To me and alot of us at "Heaven's Gate", Mr. K*** is a 'wolf in sheeps' clothing and is full of corruption. But, you be the judge. If he is a "brother" of Heaven's Gate, then why with-hold vital information from the other brothers? If you wish to study and possibly convert to "Heaven's Gate" do not go to Mr. K*** as an advisor. You can view the original website as you wish. However, if you talk to him I should caution you. He has mentioned to other people that the Next Level information is "for study purposes only". You would be told, indirectly, NOT to adhere to it. "Do" never said that the Next Level information was "for study purposes only" after he and his adherents left their vehicles (human bodies). Read ***ody's stories about this type of corruption on this Now Public website and you'll see why. Type up the keywords "***ody" or "Heaven's Gate: The Aftermath".
I'm not going to tackle this in any order. First off the writer of the above may not know the exact reason and circumstances that found M and S out of the classroom. Second, perhaps he doesn't know how much Do worked with M and S while they were out of the classroom, years before it was decided to lay our bodies down, which by the way I was fully committed to doing even up until I left them as we had for years considered various ways we might exit our bodies/Earth. Third, how does writer know that they didn't get "married" in order to conform to certain governmental or business strategies. In other words does he know if they are having intercourse? Is he so righteous that he never even allows a tiny, tiny thought of sexuality to cross his brain? Well, perhaps he is very disciplined like that and that's great if that is what he chooses. I know M and S did not leave the classroom on the basis of sexuality between one another. I'm not saying that didn't enter into it because I don't know their thoughts but I do know how it came about because we had meetings at the time with M and S and Do trying to help M with the issues he was dealing with, which I boil down to ego - not able to let go of strong convictions thus inable to honestly say "I could be wrong". Of course at first when the "I could be wrong" phrase was introduced to us as a lesson step, we were told to put it in front of most everything we said that was voicing an opinion. We were told to practice it even if we didn't believe it. One could say that is a form of brainwashing. If so then how come I easily understood it and applied it and could feel I was being honest in saying it yet it didn't keep me from leaving. I'll have to write another paper on brainwashing and mind control. In the human world there is 1000x's the brainwashing and mind control than there was in the classroom. Of course we were washing our brains and controlling our minds but it wasn't ever imposed on us. Sure if we didn't do it then why stay there and it was always clear we could leave though there was a concern as how our leaving could affect our own security as a group that was often sought out by investigators and police and siblings and such who thought we were in the group against our will.
Now it was applied at first in an extreme way though some used it that way wanting to follow the guideline as best they could. So someone would say...I could be wrong, but think 1 and 1 is 2 or that the glass has no water in it. When some asked Do if that was the intention he said, no. It had to do with realizing that there are almost always different ways of seeing most anything and that our brains are geared and set up with filters that determine what we see. The classroom was in part about breaking down our human type of confidence in ourselves and replacing that with the way of many young children - an openess to learn about everything and to accept without critisism. Of course in the human world if we acted like that with many and especially government entities we might easily find ourselves broke or in jail or with a big fine. So in what Ti always called the "real" world, which always bugged me as I didn't know what she meant by it, there is an aspect of dog eat dog so to survive one needs to as Jesus said, take your sword with you in certain circumstances, sword being literally or figuratively as a mental guard/weapon.
But all in all re: M and S who did get legally married, it's none of that writers business. I know that he does not represent Heaven's Gate - no one does. Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the light - no one comes to the Father but through me, and in another place said he was the Shepard and he controlled the gate and he knew his sheep and his sheep knew him. (paraphrased). This time around Ti and Do were the gate and they left their vessels, that we know and Do said the gate would be open for a time so we don't know how long that is for. But in any case the writer is not M and S's older member and I don't think M and S asked for his opinion. And for him to publish the names of their human vehicles was very inappropriate in my opinion, vindictive even and for what reason...because they may not be living according to the way he thinks they should be living. Are they out preaching people to follow them? No! In fact they are saying, I'm told that the Gate is closed. I actually have reason to believe what Do was referring to as a period in which some could still graduate has ended so in that way it is closed. I could be wrong about that, however it's of no matter as if someone feels that strongly about exiting then they aren't going to let anyone else disuade them and no is disuading anyone. I feel that if anyone believes in Ti and Do with all their heart and feels to take that leap then it's their business and theirs alone. The main stream is afraid that scores of people are going to follow suit. They should be as afraid of their killing others or condoning the killing of others, men, women and children in their wars and the empire's wars whom they support with their taxes and votes and tongues and lives. They should look at why so many are "taking their lives" because of depression or out of hate - as to get back at someone they don't like or because they failed at some human agenda. I suspect that should anyone at this point lay down their life in faith in Ti and Do, they will be "saved". But "saved" only means "put on ice". It is different from "graduation". All of those who were with Do are not guaranteed to have "graduated" fully. We don't know how many tests there are before we become a full fledged members having an incorrupible body - an eternal life. So what I say now is...anything you do from here on out to gain controll over your body as completely as you can will go towards your having more strength of will should you believe in Ti and Do and want to be "saved" after you die or when being "taken up" so that after the recyling or refurbishing and the start of a new graduation or pre-graduate class, you will be all the more ready, willing and able. What's important is that you understand the forumla so when it returns you recall it and respond to it.
Now, re: the audio tapes. Knowing some history here might help that writer to understand where M and S are coming from in not making them public or sharing them with those who say they are new members. (I still can't say what I feel about this. Ti and Do taught us that if in doubt, don't). The press should take not of that fact that Ti and Do demonstrated many, many times. And there is a difference between being in doubt and being afraid.
The audio tapes were created for the students of Ti and Do. The materials covered were most pertinent to them. Even if one listened to entire tapes or the entire body of tapes one could make many assumptions as Ti and Do rarely explained the full context of something because we either knew it or it was meant to apply in a general way. Many things were the answers for that time and for the primary person or person(s) most involved. Most anytime a student asked a question that was general Ti and Do sought a specific and addressed the specific. Generalizations did exist but more as the exception. Many times the lessons had to do with how to follow procedures. We had procedures for most everything. They didn't come about en masse. They came about one by one as questions arose or Ti and Do observed us or because of what we didn't do that we could have or should have done to demonstrate Next Level behaviour. I'm not going to get too specific here but it's along the lines of the "children of Israel" the men of which were instructed to trim their beards a certain way and now some think they are being devout to follow that guideline. Now it's dogma. Then it was to combat rebellion - doing things our own way when what souls were aiming for know it or not was giving up our individuality so we could really become an individual after graduation which the children of Israel were at the time far from.
In Ti and Do's classroom we had many of the same kinds of procedures. For instance we called the kitchen a NutriLab (nutrition lab). Food was fuel. The haircutters were trained by Ti and Do and everyone that had a certain type of hair had it cut the same way. When we made pancakes Ti demonstrated even the order in which we'd put them on the griddle, to make a big W or M which had to do with the type and size griddle. If people heard that on a tape, some would go through contortions to apply the rule when in a different circumstance they might do it in a circular pattern instead. Most of the tapes had information like this. And yes there were some that were more informational but many times things followed one another and Ti and Do would always say...this works for now...that it didn't have to be 100% accurate. It's just necessary for us to consider it - open up to it and many times believing that would stimulate further understandings and questioning the previous belief and even realizing it was not that accurate overall. For instance at one point Ti and Do suggested that everyone (humans) didn't have a soul. I remember how wierd that was to go to my job, what we called an Out of Craft task - Craft being like a simulated spacecraft and I'd look at people and wonder if they had a soul or not. It just made my head think in a different way. In fact that's what all the changes in terminology did as well. It makes you think before speaking as we wanted to use the lingo Ti and Do gave us. A big part of the classroom was not doing things on automatic. That's why we practiced being very quiet, no matter what we did or to walk softly so you could not be heard at all. It was to help take control over our own vehicles.
After Ti left her body there was a point where we began to feel like interfacing with the public again. This was like 17 years after the first interface at the groups inception. Do had us go through all the tapes and to edit out parts that talked about members who had left who we may have spoken about. That was an example of it not being for others ears. The prime reason we did that was because some of those who left were rejoining but that it was also for new members. It's too easy to misinterpret things when we are not there and don't have the overall perspective and those things when passed on become major distractions from the core information. Jesus did this too, saying to some he told more to which brings us to the next aspect...the lower forces that hate the Level Above Human.
The lower forces or those who are bent upon working against the Next Level, most of which are discarnates who were dropouts saved from a previous graduation classroom in a previous to our current Earth civilization. Enoch, (the same soul that was Moses, Elijah, then Jesus and Do) speaks of these and I have much more to say on this but not here. They seek every which way to twist and turn what a Next Level Rep delivers to their students so to instigate doubts and to misdirect future believers. Look at what happened to what Jesus taught. He said you had to do as he did - overcome the world - cut all your root systems and give your all to reap the reward of being with him in his kingdom/world and have eternal LIFE. That got twisted to, "confess your sins and ask him into your heart, believing on him and live within certain moral codes and you got it - your "saved" - "saved" meaning graduted into a nebulus spirit styled Heaven. The interesting thing is that thinking sounds like the formula for application to a pre-graduate classroom like Jesus was doing but is but a step toward the graduate classroom who must as best they can hit the deck running to learn to give their all, even including their physical container. But over time and especially when the generations of human vehicles died that had a direct physical relationship or a direct relationship with someone who had a direct relationship to stand a better chance of getting it from the horse it diluted into a sociopolitical club that had the gusto of the knowledge without the application which included little common sense that would provide recognition upon his return. Pretty soon lots of folks are channeling Jesus except they are all working with obsolete information, except that is for the crutial formula which is what doesn't change. The circumstances change. How you trim your beard or what you do with olive oil changes but the difficult process all must go through to make it through the birth canal never changes. That process becomes part of the signature along with what they say, demonstrate and for what reason.
Ti and Do were exactly the same as Jesus in respect to the core message and no one else resembled that before or since. Yet only his sheep could hear his voice and that's because his sheep are the ones that were "saved" from the last visit who by their reaching for the first stage of soul growth "believed" and sought to begin learning their lessons with that new focus so to begin their graft to that vine that has Mind as it's blood so that upon the next rep's mission they will be on the front line waiting.
And that is where I believe these new believers in Ti and Do are at. They are each trying to absorb as much as possible of Ti and Do information. I would be the same way. I was the same way for every day of the 19 years with them. And it is for that reason that I don't blame anyone for wanting the audio tapes. There is no doubt that mixed into them there will be little tid bits they will enjoy and actually I'm sure they could enjoy all of it. But not having it also presents a lesson. In the classroom everything was on a need to know basis. There were always projects I knew nothing about and it wasn't my business. Ti and Do did not play to our curiosity nor expectations of them. They danced to their own drummer, one another as check partners and to their Older Members outside a human vehicle.
Do took a lot of care to be ready to leave. They had a whole bunch of things they did to stay ready to leave. I'm talking gobs of stuff and over the 22 years the classroom existed they assigned students the task of keeping the exit plan materials up to date. They included where to send this and that, who to contact if the exit happened this way. There was a plan to film it. And what to do with any money and possessions. What materials might go to whom, which family member. I was a check partner for a short time on that task. I was also on the task of editing audio tapes, speaking of which at one point me and my classmates thought Do gave us instruction to destroy certain older ones so we began doing so, but we wanted to re-use the tapes so we simply overdubbed them with silence. We did this a little bit here and there. Then one day Do found out we were doing it and said he never gave that instruction. We were baffled but accepted that we'd somehow misunderstood but fortunately it was before we got rid of all of them.
In line with Do's preparation to exit, he also put together the book entitled "Heaven's Gate". It includes all the material published and record of classroom rules and transcripts of the Beyond Human 12 Video tape series and he included their desire to publish the book. M and S used their money to publish it and did distribute some. I don't know why they stopped. I will have to ask them about that as I believe those should be available. Sure people could hack them up to use against the Next Level. There is no human way to stop that. But my point here is that since Ti and Do were so specific and left detailed instructions on some things and left the book if they wanted to distribute the audio tapes how come they didn't address that to M and S who they sent the keys to storage and all. I suspect it was one of those...if in doubt don't. Do was in doubt about getting rid of them and in doubt about their being distributed knowing well their content and how many ways certain things can be taken, so decided to just leave them and see what happens. I'm sure he spoke to Ti about it and never got an instruction to do otherwise do didn't.
All in All, perhaps they may be available some day. But if they are not I don't believe it should or has to be an area of violent contention. That smacks of the way the Catholic heirarchy hold onto their materials and we can all see how little of the real teachings of Jesus they emulate. This is where trust in Ti and Do comes in. Will we get what we need? Do we need those tapes to get what we need or is it about the contention that someone else is keeping us from them so lets discredit them so that they will seem wrong. I hate to say it but it smacks of a lower force influence trying to use us. They really hate seeing new believers so they will try anything to turn the eyes of anyone who might be a new candidate for membership.
Now re: ody's. First off there is no rule that everyone who believes in Ti and Do must do anything to someone else's standard and that certainly includes use of the ody name extension. That extension was instigated by Ti and Do. The students didn't choose to name themselves. It was actually quite a big thing. Ti and Do said it was the Next Level adopting us. This was done sometime after 19 members of the group were sent away as Ti and Do felt they were not serious enough. The idea was that we were new children headed for the kingdom and that when we matured into Next Level membership more they would drop the "Y" and so it would have read for instance for my name, Swyod. Od was the extension of God. It was a family of OD which we loved for the irony because we certainly were an odd bunch and I suspect that anyone who at this point seeks connection with Ti and Do is equally as OD. So technically for someone to take that extension is presuming something, yet I see it as asking for something and think Ti and Do are smiling about the fact that some have taken that extension. I may be wrong about that but it seems to me it's taking a chance on a positive that doesn't have negative ramifications I can see.
However I have questioned my use of ody. That's a long story maybe for another time.
I hope this can help in understanding more about the real people of Ti and Do and their overcoming classroom. I am putting all things in a book but am having trouble completing it. There is a lot of discarnate resistance it seems. I also had a publisher at one point in 1997, two big names to be exact but both pulled out at that same time saying the public wasn't interested. If anyone wants to help me publish this material it will be appreciated. It's a history many all over the world might like to have. I'd like to see it in all languages and mediums. Anyone can write me at SawyerHG@yahoo.com. I've also begun to post articles on various blogs and sites. My current project in this regard is at:
I will be holding my first two shows on this coming March 20th and 27th at 11pm-12am. The phone number to call into the talk radio show is: 347-205-9777 for the 3/20 show. If you log in you can listen. If you register you can also chat and listen or just listen/talk by phone. I will do my best to answer any of your questions. If you do feel inspired to help get this information out, leads to a publisher would help and in this world of course funds could help too as I have nothing available to self publish and very little time to devout to this though am working every minute I can. If you wish to donate something I will have a pay pal account associated to this article as well and if you leave me information on how to reach you I will send you both my music cd that I am the sole musician on and whatever I have that is considered to be my current book.
There is so much more to all this. I hope this helps.