Is suicide the WAY Jesus, TiDo and Crew Passed through Heaven's Gate?
Before continuing it is important to know that this author is in no way attempting to solicit anything from anyone now or in the future. There is no cult forming, no group, no religion. There is no one to tell another what to do or how to do it, though if asked I will attempt to do my best to answer as I think Do(doe), my teacher has or might. Also, if anyone reading this wants more information of what I speak of, they can check my internet radio blog at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sawyer and/or they can email me at: firstname.lastname@example.org. Of course they can always go to HeavensGate.com to read what Ti and Do's classroom left behind which includes a book and the Beyond Human video tape series. I (sawyer) am not affiliated directly with that site and am a non-profit independent entity doing the best I can with the extraordinary information and understanding I was given by Ti and Do to date.
Additionally, on October 5th at 5pm EST and October 6th at 6pm EST on the National Geographics channel as a part of their Final Report series there is a Heaven's Gate documentary being aired. I am a contributor to that documentary.
First of all, pertaining to the title of this paper, the short answer is "Absolutely NO" in the modern day sociological meaning of the word "suicide" - which I would define "to seek escape from reality or consequences of our action or inaction or to enact vengence upon another by ending our physical life. But in the sense of "giving ones life" and/or "laying down one's life" for The Kingdom of Heaven's Sake - Yes, in my opinion is part of the answer. But there is a great big BUT embedded in this Yes thus these answers can not be final without further consideration and examination.
To qualify that Yes in general terms:
For perhaps 99% of us we must have had a real physical relationship with a genuine member from the Level Above Human, the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom in the literal heaven's that is an entire strata of life above human. Thus the question is really whether or not we have had that relationship or not, because just who in human form is just such a representative that is or was among us? Presuming that there have been or are such rep(s), what is their criteria that qualifys them as true reps? And after that representative leaves our physical presense (their human body dies), does the ability for anyone to have a physical relationship also die, at least for the time being - to which the answer I believe again is "yes" though that is not to say their departure ends our ability to appeal to that representative who is believed to not really be dead except in human terms. How do we appeal to them, some may wonder? By asking, seeking, knocking, and opening, being willing to receive, find and see the opportunites thus new doors will open to us.
And additionally, we would begin to apply more than ever before what said representatives (Jesus/Moses, Krishna, Buddha) as our second greatest commandment "to love your neighbor as yourself" as the way we best can show our love for that creator kingdom and the older members they have sent to us past and present, sent to teach us about that kingdom and how we might have the opportunity to one day be among their membership.
It is at this time primarily the option to take our own leap of faith to simply "believe" as the atmosphere and mindset that dominates our world does everything in it's power to thwart our real examination and consideration in order that we might actually believe. We generally fear "belief" as we fear we will lose our individuality and security in who we think we have become and what we have achieved along with the motivation to have what we think we want from life. However it is that fear that keeps us from having all we could have because once closed down to the possabilities of what really is real in our midst then we cease to grow to understand more of that reality and what our ultimate purpose in life could very well be. If we are satisfied with the way things are then we by our own lack of thirst keep closed off to the way most of the multitude of others in belief, lack of belief and/or in behavior and deed are also closed. If we want to be ordinary then we should stick to what is ordinary. If we want to do something extraordinary then we must at times "take a chance on a positive", but what is one person's positive will seem to another as a negative thus to extend oneself beyond the seeming safety of the pack, one must seek to breach new ground.
This document breaches new ground.
Since I have first mentioned Jesus in the title of this paper, that is how I will begin but this in no way is really a religious or spiritual or theological discourse. Human beings create religions and their dogma. Ti and Do said "Religions are the number one killers of souls" which is another paper altogether. What is real is also not limited to what we can perceive of that reality whether by our minds observation or by instrumental "scientific" instrumentation, but by what we are willing to consider and evaluate and discern of that reality that exists whether we are in it or not. Thus this is at attempt to bring more of that potential reality into our view.
Now for the question...
According to the Merriam/Webster Dictionary "Suicide" is defined by the act or an instance of taking one's own life voluntarily and intentionally especially by a person of years of discretion and of sound mind.
The following New Testament scriptures demonstrate some of what Jesus believed about life, death, his purpose and that of his followers:
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Note: Here he expresses that his students are like his sheep that he is willing to give his life for.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Note: Here he equates the love his "Father" has for him BECAUSE OF his willingness to lay down his life, to then take it again. What does he mean take it again? Resurrection? Reincarnation? Ascension? Perhaps all three of these? The phrase "lay down" is literal in the sense of what one does when they go to sleep, they "lay down" but of course the addition of "life" is putting one's life to sleep. It doesn't in itself consider that life awakening from that sleep.
Up until now the difference between the literal defintion of suicide and the "laying down of one's own life" is whose hand takes the action that causes one to "lay down their life". To strictly meet the suicide definition it needs to be one's own hand, but then Jesus says:
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Note: By his saying that "no man taketh it from me" he is implying that he is "taking it" an action by his own hand, which is further established by saying "I lay it down of myself" which brings in the voluntary part of the definition, in other words of his own free will. No one else is "taking his life" BECAUSE he has the "power to lay it down" - power being the will to do so to as he said before in the parable "for his sheep" clearly a reference to those that follow him, his students, disciples and who he called his "friends".
But here also he is saying in the same way he has the "power to lay it down" he has the "power to take it again", thus what he is saying is that when he lays it down it will not be final. It will not be his real end because he can of his own choosing take it again. Now here it doesn't say whether he will "take it" again or not and when he might do so, just that he can. However, in another part of the record he does address "when" he will "take it again" counting from the time he lays it down:
Joh 2:18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
Joh 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
Note: Then when he said "This commandment have I received of my Father" what is he referring to - that he has the "power" (ability) to lay it down and/or take it back or the authorization from his "Father" and even instruction (commandment) to do so, while it is still of his own free will his own decision to make. By implication that "no man taketh it from me" how else will it be taken if not potentially by his own hand as further indicated by saying, "lay it down of myself".
Thus at this point it's a matter of the method of "laying it down myself" which he doesn't address accept by his action, that is after he decides this is what he feels he must do and understands why.
Joh 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Note: Now he is talking figuratively but in so doing making the case that it is necessary for him to do this so that there will be fruit from his investment of laying down his own life.
Joh 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
Note: Now he is talking not just about himself but in general, but not necessarily to all people but specifically to those who are his followers as being those who are in one way or another discontent. If we are not discontent then we love our life then we shall die (lose it). But those who are discontent even to the degree of hating our life in this world for whatever reason, these shall keep their life to a point of having life eternal.
Now on the surface that could be seen as an "escape" clause from discontent with life. Thus if one is down and out, or depressed, is he saying for that reason and that reason alone someone will by the act of "hating their life in this world" "keep it unto life eternal. Who this may apply to is further clarified in the next verse as he addresses those who "serve him".
Joh 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
Note: Now he is addressing others, those who want to follow him. Following is not just walking in the same direction as he. It means following him in every regard possible addressed by other part of this record:
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Note: "deny himself" means to deny ones self which means subjugate our will to our "Father's" will, in the case of Jesus to his "Father's" will and in the case of the disciples of Jesus to their "Father's" will which is the will of Jesus who is our "Father" as evidenced by:
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Note: This denying of ourselves is also the beginning of giving of ourselves totally what is clearly spelled out by what Jesus said was the "great commandment":
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Note: Here Jesus is referring to what Moses said in Leviticus and Deuteronomy, the books of the Jewish Torah that Moses authored.
When we love something we "give to it" and the amount of which we give needs to eventually be "all". Giving all one heart means giving all one's emotion but also all ones life as the heart as it is the pump of the lifeblood of the entire body to give one's heart is to give one's very life but also gives one's support, ones desire, leaving no room to give to anyone or anything else. This is seen as an extreme but to this "extreme" is what is required to reap the "extreme" rewards of the aboption of a "new" family of fellow believers and "eternal life". To think we get something this big for giving next to nothing makes no sense. How much we can give is further indicated by:
Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
Note: And it's recorded again in Mark's account which has variations that it's for Jesus' sake and for the gospel's (truth's) sake that we forsake. We don't abandon these things for human reasons like because we want to avoid our responsabilites, and committments and the needs of those that have come to need our support.
Mar 10:28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.
Mar 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
Note: But this has a particular context. Jesus is speaking to those who have already chose to "follow him". If he is not physically present with us, then "forsaking all" may not really be called for to "follow him", at least to that "all" degree.
To forsake is to abandon, a huge shirking of responsability from the human perspective, but it doesn't appear he is telling them they "MUST" do this but simply saying there is a prize for doing so WHEN and ONLY when it is "for my name's sake", and by "name" it's not in the use of the word, the name "Jesus" but by how we "serve" and "follow" that representative from the Kingdom in the literal heaven's. This is evidenced by:
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Note: So honoring someone or something with mouth and lips but not their heart (giving/love) is in "vain" - of no value in an of itself.
And what did he mean by those who forsake all will "receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions..."
Was he saying we would have these in human terms literally? How can we have a hundredfold the houses and brethren and sisters and mothers and children, unless we also yeild fruit, going back to where he said figuratively...
Joh 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Note: which all together are a new family of fellow believers and those that come to look to us when we draw them to us by our service to the same Kingdom, which we also attain to after cashing it all in for the pearl of great price. Here is an example of what Jesus considered his family to be:
Mar 3:31 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
Mar 3:32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
Mar 3:33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
Mar 3:34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mar 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
Note: But back to the fact that even though Jesus felt like he had the power and autority from his "Father" to "lay it [his life] down myself", it didn't mean it was an easy decision to make.
If we recall that definition of suicide included actually being of sound mind. Of course being of "sound mind" may vary from one opinion to the next. Jesus was called "beside himself", "having a devil", "a lunatic", to name the few we see in the record but evidence of a sound mind is someone who grapples with the circumstance they find themselves thus...
Joh 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
Note: Again he recognizes that he had agreed to lay down his life before even coming to do this task on Earth.
And again, it is clear that at least one of his disciples knew that "giving their all, to include their very "life" was part of the program evidenced by:
Joh 13:37 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.
Joh 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.
Note: But Jesus knows he is not really ready to make such a committment because that is part of what Jesus knows is the reason he needs to "lay down his life" - to demonstrate his resolve to put walk his talk while allowing him to further prove what before this were primarily ideas.
So he makes it very clear what the greatest "love" is in accordance with the great commandment to "love with all...":
Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Note: Now he equates the greatest measure of "love" with any man's laying down his life for his friends. Thus if his students laid down their life for another student they would be doing so as Jesus expressed which links to the 2nd greatest commandment to "love your neighbor as yourself" which is equal. This is where the idea came from that all men are created equal thus the whole reason democratic forms of government originally formed.
Joh 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
Note: Now he is referring to his return, not so much at his resurrection, though if he was referring to his resurrection, we perhaps just have not been privy to how he showed us "plainly" of the father. But it's more likley that he was referring to when he would return in the next millennium.
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Note: And here he is saying that he has the power over all flesh. In other words flesh and bone can not hurt him. He is identifying himself with some aspect of himself that can not be harmed by things that harm the flesh. He therefore knows he IS more than the flesh body he operates. Additionally he is saying that he can give "eternal life" to those he was given [by his "Father"]
And these are just a few and are explained in their context. There are many more examples of the strict requirements Jesus made to be one of his students. As was pointed out they had to also leave their old lives behind as he told Nicodemus, the rich man who said he followed all the commandments who Jesus said "then, give away your riches to the poor and come and follow me to gain eternal life".
So in summary Jesus is saying that he and his students are authorized by he and his "Father" to lay down their lives, give their lives, show the greatest love in order to reap the hundredfold rewards and to obtain eternal "life".
Thus Jesus went about to design the way in which he was going to have his life taken from him. He designed the method of what could be termed his "suicide". When someone knows beforehand that they will be condemned to death, tortured and killed, by turning themselves into authorities that are looking for him and who had threatened him beforehand and attempted to kill him before as was the case, then he can either stay hidden, flee, continue to do what he did - preach his truth and see if that results in his eventual lose of life OR can orchestrate the end of his human life which is what he did.
Thus the fact that he didn't pull his own trigger or slit his wrists or ingest a strong permanent sleep inducing substance is in my opinion beside the point.
However, nor is this saying any of us at this time would benefit in Jesus terms by doing likewise. However upon his reappearance - regeneration, resurrection, return incarnate among us, for those who are his sheep who recognize his voice (the information he brings that describes all this and the reasons for the entire program) we at that time will be faced with whether or not we are willing to "deny ourselves (give over our will to), take up our cross (giving of our very life) and to follow that next representative (follow meaning to love with all our heart, mind, soul and strength) as best we can.
Thus the reason for this analysis - to prime our minds to the way it works. If we believe it, then we may be "saved". And if we believe it about Jesus then we will have to believe it about Ti and Do and their crew as they said the exact same things but in more "plain" terminology pertinent to today's world as this past record has been diluted into mythology - taking all the literal aspects out and/or never seeking to really understand them and then dealing and considering them in our own lives.
If we don't ask we shall not receive further understanding and clarifications. If we don't seek we shall never find anything significantly new and if we don't knock then no new door shall be opened to us.
Next I will attempt to address more about the second characteristic of the title - that of Ti and Do and their crew. To do so, I wish to familiarize the reader to who the author of this document is and some history of Ti and Do's Human Individual Metamorphosis evolved into Heaven's Gate.
Sawyer, former member for 19 years of the Heaven's Gate "cult", who left them voluntarily in 1994 while still a believer after discussing with Do, his primary teacher, why he was not able to get a handle on a recent development of a repeated indulgence in sexuality with himself, one of the areas members of the group sought to outgrow that was seen as strictly mammalian behavior and therefore needed to be sufficiently overcome to meet the basic criteria of the groups premise of preparation to enter The Evolutionary Level Above Human (TELAH), a real, physical, many membered, crew minded, structured and well organized, functional, non-decaying, non-cyclic, non-death, non-spiritual, non-religious, non-political, non-egotistic, non-predatory, non-competitive level of life that Jesus was the last representative on Earth for, that is before Ti and Do's arrival.
By April of 1997 following the groups controversial public demonstration of "death" overcome (according to Jesus' definition of death) instigated by their "laying down their physical human lives", by voluntarily ingesting a strong drug mixture designed to quickly and quietly put their physical bodies to sleep permanently, what is called suicide, Sawyer reluctantly returned to the public support of the group by doing many national media interviews culminating with Easter Sunday of that year on the television news show 60 Minutes.
From that day forward Sawyer gradually, but still very reluctantly, over the course of ten years time, through a great deal of soul searching and paranormal types of experiences returned to active belief and support in who Ti and Do claimed to be - From the same Family (Kingdom Above Human) as Jesus, who came from outer space (the literal heaven's) on behalf of The Evolutionary Level Above Human (TELAH) to orchestrate the final stage of a multi millennium human development project that they initially called, Human Individual Metamorphosis (HIM) that essentially was a experiential "overcoming" process (classroom) they taught and demonstrated that was to lead to the graduation out of the human strata of life and into membership in what to a human would be their next natural but decided, thus intelligent evolution of mind, what Jesus called their "Birth of Spirit", spirit being the unseen essence/force/electromagnetic frequency or "echo" that exists after the death of any living body, but that through the overcoming process, with the needed close personal direction of an existing member from TELAH in the operation of a human container/body exercises control over the once normal human mammalian instincts to include survival and reproduction.
And here is the initial question to Sawyer that prompted this paper:
Since the Heaven's Gate members committed suicide in 1997 does that mean that they are saying that killing yourself is a way to get to Heaven?
Answer given by Sawyer:
Absolutely not in current sociological definition of suicide, though for them (Do and his students) it WAS their final leap of faith in Ti and Do and TELAH's designed opportunity for their natural evolutionary styled step. It was also the method decided upon to most effectively exit the cocoon (body) they had been using for their final exam experience, having been removed from normal human lifestyles years beforehand, necessary to accelerate their overcoming (chrysalis) process and in so doing, provide a indelible mark (or seed) on minds of all humans left on the planet that become aware of their action and more importantly why.
When a caterpillar enters the cocoon to change into a butterfly, the caterpillar body is replaced by a new body that is greatly improved over the old body. The analogy is very much the same for human beings. At the appropriate time TELAH sends their representative to bring the next set of lessons to those souls they originally planted into the human kingdom (as all humans do not have the soul pocket/container, unless they are given one which is done according to the humans desire to grow as demonstrated by their quest to know more and to find their ultimate purpose, that draws them to draw in the new mind that is provided when that member from TELAH comes into the Earth's environment) but that can remain dormant until the are faced with the physical reality of the Next Level, as Ti and Do accomplished and is being continued as we speak by those who believe in Ti and Do.
By voluntarily laying down their physical container that they knew was not their true identity any longer they were demonstrating the free will process of what Moses and Jesus and Ti and Do said was the greatest commandment/instruction from the one referred to as the Lord, the One True God of Israel (chosen genetic strain, to develop), in what has become considered to be religious terminology but has it's real origin. Religion is simply the socio-political spin put on the momentum created by the new revelations from the physical presence of a member of TELAH on Earth.
Ti and Do said they were from The Evolutionary Level Above Human (TELAH), what the last representative from that level named Jesus called the Kingdom of Heaven and that they (their family of mind) had returned as promised to take the students/followers of Jesus their next evolutionary step toward membership in that Level Above Human, what is a full strata of life above (more evolved) than human. These two were fully consistent with ALL that Jesus was quoted to have said and taught. Religions do not resemble what Jesus taught though have some of the basics in their theology. As is the pattern, when a member from that Level Above Human leaves or is thought to be coming, the Space Aliens and/or discarnates (remnants of past Next Level garden planets and/or dead humans) do all they can to turn the human's eyes away from seeing the representative from the Kingdom of Heaven closer to who/what they really are.
By proposing Ti and Do as the genuine Two Witnesses in Revelations Chapter 11 who formed the group in 1975 called Human Individual Metamorphosis but who later became known as Heaven's Gate due to their reported "mass suicide" in March of 1997 at the closest approach to Earth of the newly discovered controversial Hale-Bopp comet (that slowed down, changed directions and had two tails) does not suggest that suicide is a path through Heaven's Gate.
If in fact these two were the promised return of the same family of MIND that the one called Jesus was from, (their Mind origin as their physical bodies were all human) then if Jesus said he had the right and even commandment/instruction from His "Heavenly Father" to "lay down his life" so he could take it up again and that his disciples to be his followers would have to follow in his footsteps then these two, that were allegedly the same souls who performed the task 2000 years ago of "Father and Son" - Ti and Do (and by the way Ti took a female vehicle to knock a hole in the male dominated world) would be in their rights to also voluntarily lay down their physical body's lives knowing they were not the body but also knowing that they were doing it "for the kingdom of heaven's sake" not for any human reason as the members of the kingdom of heaven are not human, they are above human. They are not space alien either. Space aliens are human equivalents and are actually remnants from other garden plots (planets) TELAH once planted and harvested.
To further bear out that they may have had the right to "lay down their lives" as they did, not harming anyone else, after careful consideration and preparation over years and after considerable "overcoming" - aka "washing of robes" cleansing themselves of mammalian behaviors as they can't take such behaviors to a non-mammalian world as there would be a basic incomparability there that would find them not a viable match for the new body they upon entrance into that kingdom level would receive a body that is not equip with human mammalian functions of digestion and reproduction and does not decay or die thus is for all intents and purposes in their use eternally, or until they have reason to discard it to use another, the same way a human might put on a spacesuit to go into outer space and a scuba diving suit/facility to go under water and an asbestos suit to fight a fire. When a Member of TELAH does a task such as Jesus or Ti and Do, they enter the Earth atmosphere undercover (invisibly) by discarding their physical container/suit they are currently wearing. They will get another when they return. The Next Level can grow a body/suit of clothes on a vine like a plant. They don't need a human reproductive process. On way they discard the body/vehicle/suit is by voluntarily subjecting it to a deadly experience. That's not to say they can not exit that vehicle by other means, though if they exit it completely then the vehicle will no longer be animated. Some advanced Older Members in TELAH have so much MIND that relates to significant force, so much so that they can operate more than one suit of clothes at a time. Do said that Ti was one of those more advanced MINDS and that she (the human vehicle she took over was a female vehicle named Bonnie Lu Nettles) only came to Earth to do this final exam graduation classroom task with part of that MIND while the MIND left in the Next Level environment, on a spacecraft or in a lab somewhere in the heaven's, on or in a planet for instance continued to perform certain of it's tasks. Sometimes, depending on the task an Older Member in that Kingdom will put their existing vehicle in a closet so to speak, that is if they needed all their MIND to do the task they were undertaking. Ti told the students that Do was actually would receive a new model vehicle upon completion of his task, which was to fulfill the role of "father" to us, humans with soul implants, that had been nurtured over millennium Jesus said that he had kept all those given to him by his Father (Ti), that is except one (Judas Iscariot) so that prophecy would be fulfilled (suggesting that Judas chose to serve in the way he did) though in doing so he could not stand to see what his action put Jesus, whom he loved through so he took his own life, which was also his way of "laying his life down" as prescribed and was the method of moving on into one's next phase of growth.
So it boils down to faith and trust, but faith and trust are not necessarily cheap terms to justify anything by. We all have varied levels of faith in many things. We have faith the sun will rise. Do we know it will happen? Well relative to all our experiences in life, yes, but is it possible something could take it away from us - well all things are possible when we are not the creators of the system we are born into. But we also have faith at times that is far more practical. When we get to know someone, we have faith that they will keep their word or not, we have faith that they will do what they say or not, that they will be on time or not, that they will try their best or not. It is for this reason that we need to get to know the person in a human vehicle that is saying they came from the Kingdom of God/Heaven (TELAH) so we can have the experiences that will build our trust and therefore faith in them. And this is what the members of the Heaven's Gate cult learned from their years (many of which were with Ti and Do for 22 years). But moreso it boils down to us because we can think we believe - have faith in something but learn we really don't, that we were in it for a reason we didn't at first understand. For me, I was in it too much for how it made me feel holy and special - a hero, or saint or godly or a disciple of Jesus. I had to leave to see this more clearly so a big reason some were in the group so long was to in a sense weed out the serious from the not so serious.
This may seem like the answer to the question is that "suicide" is the way to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but the big chasm of difference is WHY someone does it. If they take their own human life for any reason except to be with one's strong faithful but real experienced sense of creator/God/Older Member that can only be essentially found by having a personal relationship through the physical human body relationship with an Older Member that is in occupation of a human body and who can actually talk to us and help us determine if we are genuine in our love and desire to serve the Next Level (TELAH). It has to be a physical relationship because spirits/discarnates and humans and space aliens using spirits/discarnates, thought waves and human influences on us can be imposers of Jesus/God by interjecting thoughts into our brains - can even be a loud voice in our heads that can all but overpower our ability to resist, thus can take us over (demon possession) to exercise whatever agenda they wish us to perform for them, one of which is to appear or act in a way similar to the way TELAH might act.
Examples of this can be seen in the actions of groups like Jim Jones and the People's Temple and the Solar Temple and in David Koresh's Branch Davidians. In all three of these cases they were markedly different than the Heaven's Gate group as they had children among them and there was also murder of some or even many - force to ingest the poisoned cool aid by gunpoint. Autopsies on three of those who died at Jonestown revealed that they died of gun shots. And the behavior of these groups did not resemble the behavior and motis operandi of the Heaven's Gate group. There was very little if any "overcoming". They were all family engaged. They were still living largely in worldly ways - seeking careers and relationships, having sexuality and sensual stimulating activities.
These were facsimiles of TELAH's task on Earth in the efforts of Ti and Do and their crew of new members on their final exam for graduation and were instigated by the Space Alien/discarnates (Luciferians) to turn the eyes of the "saints" and "elect" away from seeing the reality of Ti and Do. But to a trained thirsty eye/ear they don't really compare.
Now what other circumstantial proof is there that Ti and Do were from the same kingdom as Jesus and in fact may have been the same souls who have come perhaps many times to nurture their sprouting and eventual flowers?
Well, most every religion has leftover evidence of the relationship between the Level Above Human and the Human Kingdom. Certainly Hindu in their stories of Krishna and Shiva, Buddhism in their sense of disattachment and suffering as a key to enlightenment/nirvana/heaven, Judaism in their standards of conduct and morals, in the teachings of Moses and where in fact Jesus got what he called the greatest commandment: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your mind, all your soul and all your strength and the second commandment to Love your neighbor as yourself. Islam by their modesty and inclusion of God's will in their everyday lives - daily prayers. Christianity in it's portrayal of Jesus as the way, the truth and the light, teaching what is required to be with him in his kingdom. Deny self, take up one's cross and follow him, and follow him meant not trying to save your life in this world but in losing one's life in this world while in service to him/the Father then one gains real life in the next world. And Jesus in how he relates his world to being among the literal heavens - the sky/star scape and that the body like the Earth was a footstool a tool to prepare us to move closer to that Kingdom.
Next I will address a question posed to me about the Raelian movement that will hopefully shed further light on the huge misinformation/disinformation campaign that is and has been underway but is culminating like no other time during this civilization:
Question: Did your group ever participate in "getting your cellular plan transmitted" to the spirits? Any thoughts?
Note: This ("cellular plan transmitted") is apparently a Raelian practice/ceremony
Answer given by Sawyer:
No, absolutely not - we were not spiritual - wanted nothing to do with "spirits" - discarnates are dead people - lifeless programs that float around to influence those in bodies to do the things they did while alive as their only sense of life is in energetic exchange. They will never live again unless the real One True Creator (God's) Kingdom, what we prefer to un-religisize and un-spiritualize by more accurately referring to that above human strata of life as The Evolutionary Level Above Human (TELAH) decides they are worth "saving" from the eventual recycling process that is in progress as we speak.
TELAH's membership are not Raelians by any stretch of the imagination. Just because Rael was approached by human equivalent space aliens doesn't make him anyone's savior in the only sense that matters - by providing an extended opportunity to "live" to one day have the chance to become part of TELAH's crew a process that is very, very selective requiring a human prospect to "give their all" - leave their human life behind as Jesus clearly articulated and required of his followers, though it has been 180 degrees distorted into a religious club requiring little to no effort.
The fact that the Raelians use terminology like Elohim and relate Biblical stories that they say were about them, reflective of past relationships of humans with TELAH doesn't make them related in any shape or form to TELAH's above human life strata, their agenda for Earth and purpose for the creation of humanity and all the lower than human evolutionary stratas.
The Raelian Space Aliens did not create all life on this planet any more than I did when I fertilized my partners egg. I did not create my daughter. I facilitated the process. The genetic code that developed into a human egg and a human's fertilizer sperm existed well before this planet. Humans don't create any of the seeds for any of the plants that grow on this planet be they plants with physical or frequency based root systems.
One proof of this is in Rael's own words as he reflects to what he was told when he had visits from the Space Alien Raelians. He was told that they, his alleged forefathers (who in actuality might be genetically related) admit they did not create the planet Earth nor any other planet. They said they outlive planets because they can clone themselves every 700 years or so using their computer technology on whatever planet is servicing their needs at the time. Since they did not create the planet they could not have created the planet's elements that the Earth for instance is composed of. Nor could they have then created the combination of those elements that the genetic code is embedded within and therefore did not create any of the life on any planet.
Now did they scientifically engineer those elements found on Earth into forms of life. That is entirely possible as we see taking place on Earth among humans as we speak. Humans are engineering reproductive processes, the process of planting of seed, the grafting process, the hybridizing process, the genetic engineering process, but they did NOT create those genes - the code that runs all the lifeforms, that makes a cell grown into part of a hand is genetically developmental. They at best facilitated and manipulated what was already in existence so only in that sense "created" anything.
What is happening here is that the terminology is being further distorted to mislead humans into allegiance to space aliens. These are the Luciferians, the human equivalent remnants from past TELAH Life creation experiments which included the creation of the planet, who are setting themselves up to win over humans for their purposes. They want humans for two reasons and two reasons only. 1)They want a few humans who can become their co-workers to enact their agenda and 2)They want a lot of humans for their human strata genetic material so they can; continue to facilitate the existence of more biological materials, so they can continue to live by having the needed raw materials for their alleged computer systems so they can create humanoid servant robots and clones of their own bodies so they can live another 700 years.
Now one could say the Raelians seem to be doing the same thing TELAH has been doing - seeking serviceable new members and one can argue that we don't have an answer for where TELAH got the elements and gene systems. Something can not come from nothing. Well we of course don't know the answers to that question any more than a dog can know exactly how an automobile came to be. We have to be with them to see more of how that is done so that will remain a mystery. But there is a huge amount of evidence that we can understand is related to the existence of an entire kingdom level above human.
And one could say that the kingdom of god seeds a planet and cultivates humans through their sent reps like Enoch, moses, Elijah, Jesus and ti and do which has it's truth, but one very, very, very huge difference is that TELAH members are not human or human equivalent nor are they reptilian or mammalian in any way shape or form in thinking or acting and do NOT NEED humans or any life on Earth for their own survival as their bodies can be grown in their own environment and exchanged for a different body as needed for the task at hand - where the idea of shape shifting came from and to which some space aliens may have a type of handle on as well BUT the next level does not lure life forms to their service with sweet sounds and activities and pleasures or profit to include distribution of misinformation or like the governments ways justify the means lies and deceit (for their own good they often think) or because they have the overview and wherewithal to make the hard life/death decisions while the pions can't or won't.
So the reps from TELAH when they begin to interface with humans on human terms tell it like it is and are met with large scale opposition from every sector except the few who were prepared ahead of time to "see" what opportunity is in front of them, though only in the terms they can understand according to the so called grade in school of their overall genetic mental evolution. A tree that produces it's own fruit can not become that tree until it goes through all the challenging stations of growth first.
The space aliens woo humans to their fold by giving them all things sensual which don't strictly include just sexual satisfactions but appeal to all pleasures of the animal/mammalian kingdom levels. So they create ceremonies with lofty ideas that excite the mind and they darn themselves with garments that appeal to our programming that fine things are the garments of kings and queens - royalty which Jesus spoke clearly against. And they use words that are glorious and enchanting and materials to evoke an aura of discovery and participation.
And it all looks wonderful and I can understand why certain ones gravitate to such the same way people gravitate to organized religion - the same exact thing and why people gravitate to huge sports events and orgy's of every form (food, sex, entertainment, debate) because if the body's senses are stimulated then they have that temporary sense of satisfaction in life and therefore don't care or thirst for more. They are drugged with the biggest drug of all - that they have found all they could hope for and are content with it. As the Raelian Space Aliens told Rael, humans were created to have pleasure so they simply create robots to do all their work for them so they can have the best food, the best sex, the best views, the best environment, etc.
And this is all fine for animals. Animals are content to sit and watch, get up and drink some water, eat some food, bark at this or that animal or human, run in the park and to that end the Raelian followers are being prepared and so they are beginning to practice that now.
But those who were seeded by TELAH were brought back in spirit form to continue their schooling (the only case of potential reincarnation, though do not actually embed in that new baby body, as that baby body creates it's own "spirit") seek a relationship with a body that has been prepped with information/mind by the Next Level to be open to that return spirit's next lesson step at a time when the next level sends their rep to take them a step closer to graduation (culmination of overcoming being in the human strata of life) which they need a human vessel to complete.
But all those "saved" spirits that are brought back to Earth by TELAH do not successfully establish a working interface with a human vessel to take it over (in agreement with the spirit/mind of that human vessel), so fail (as I as the spirit/mind of this vessel did) by walking away from the teacher, in this case Do of Ti and Do, who were the current representatives from TELAH incarnate like Jesus was to teach and demonstrate the Overcoming process of taking a humans next evolutionary step out of the human kingdom. When that returning spirit failed to take over a human vessel that returning spirit went to find another human vessel to finish it's lessons by. But that left me (the vessel last used with my agreement) with the experience of having that more evolved mind attempt to use my vessel to graduate by with whatever mind/information/will power/perspective gained by the experience. Those like me and others in the same boat are the most desired by the space aliens to bring into their fold as that mind given to us by the Next Level has more facility to function in the spirit world - can do more, can go more places, can accomplish more, that is, once it sheds it's skin (the physical human vessel) and it, depending on how much mind it received and utilized can also survive outside the earth's environment and knows how to manipulate a physical vehicle of any kind because of the training it established in the Next Level's physical classroom run by members from TELAH, in this case called Ti and Do. In other words an older soul than I, so to speak sought to take "me/my vehicle" over to use as their cocoon in a metamorphic like process of creating a new being that could eventually be viable as a type of new "spirit birth" into TELAH at which time they would be rewarded with a new TELAH "above human" vehicle.
But the space aliens want both the genes of those humans that were prepped by TELAH, which occurred big time right before Ti and Do actually gathered those who had returned to meet them to continue their lessons. This is why there was a huge surge of consciousness and spirituality and UFO alien awareness in the 50's onward though who knows exactly when that started.
Some of those "old souls" returned via the crashed UFOs, which served multiple purposes to stage and make available to the governments while releasing their spirit/souls from those vehicles (giving their physical temporary shell up) to enter the Earth's spirit world to seek out the prepared vehicles to eventually meet with the representatives from the Next Level and to continue their lessons to their eventual voluntary graduation, that is if they see it through as it will be a challenging thing to accomplish.
The Raelians are humans and human equivalents, meaning they have mammalian and/or reptilian characteristics/bodies/organs, needs and wants and don't have nearly the facility of function members of TELAH. TELAH does not need to lure or wow people with their existence. They do a little more of that in the early stages of the civilization they spawn. But all along with the Next Level's garden like experiment there are those who are anti Next Level (whether they know it or not) who are in spirit form and/or still in a human vehicle that they have kept alive much much longer than humans can now (perhaps 700 years or so) but who are simply souls/spirits who know how to take over a human vessel by shear influence and electromagnetically overpowering of a human mind.
Now humans at this time who were part of or the result of the Next Level's prepping of vehicles to genetically match the returning souls saved from a previous encounter with the last TELAH rep are the current best prospects to accept the reality of TELAH as demonstrated by Ti and Do's plain talk, ordinary appearance, non-religious, non-spiritual, non-human ways, behaviors and motivations. There is a reason why so few even compared to Raelians who number around 65,000 can see Ti and Do in any light that is positive. It's because one must take a leap of faith in a sense to believe in Ti and Do because they were so non-human. Now non-human is not the same as alien. Aliens are all human equivalents despite their looks. They all are self centered and their identity is largely comprised of what they think they are rather than what they are and they are all limited in life span, have needs for food and other similar environments and reproduce (if they still can, as some can't - reason why they are on Earth to tap into the way this planet still provides lots of elements they need and biological materials from the over population they encourage.
There are so few willing to believe in Ti and Do because of how hard it is to become a member. One must be prepped to some day (upon the next time a rep from TELAH comes to take over a human body (that agrees) to teach the ways of TELAH and how to become a member which always entails taking a leap of faith to separate from the pack to in earnest rid themselves (overcome) their innate human/mammalian desires which in so doing helps them accelerate the development of their mind (over matter, conquering their flesh's genetic code and changing it) to develop into the butterfly (Next Level member) that emerges from it's cocoon a new creature that is no longer limited in the way that a caterpillar (human) was limited.
So Raelians are those who the prep had taken with but who were not needed by the Next Level, return crew at that time as the Next Level only had about 48 or so returned souls that needed a prepped body to make their chrysalis within.
But the prepping process is also a tagging process by the Next Level, thus they have more recognition of the Next Level's true scientific and outer space reality than most. This is why it makes sense to them that science is the way genetic strains are developed and that the real Elohim are real people rather than mystic etheric spirits in the sky, though the Space aliens are trying to interject themselves into the story.
The space aliens seek to discredit the Next Level by planting weeds among the good seed. They do this by promoting the same basic ideas but with a twist that makes them less than real and easy to gravitate to as they are linked with the same old human behaviors and hedonistic extremes - to live for pleasure with no sense of having really been created to grow into a functional part of that same creator crew (TELAH) (Being down on human behaviors is not a moral judgment, just a practical reality - the Next Level doesn't have animal passions and needs yet they still feel and enjoy and have fun and purpose and function and challenges). Members in TELAH don't have animal type plumbing and reproductive processes so prospective new members need to be schooled to be happy without such investment of time and energy and the devotion to one's spouse and family is part of the human experience but when it's time to graduate it's time to "forsake" all things human.
These Luciferians space aliens try every means under the sun before the Next Level reps surface to gather their crew and thereafter to keep any from believing in the Next Level rep.
And those that cling to the space alien's rant and develop ties to it, through income or popularity stop being open to the Next Level's reality - are snatched away from ever outgrowing their human strata. They may get picked up in body to become another space alien or a servant to them by giving sperm/egg/hormones and/or interface with other humans and/or in spirit form by a Raelian or other space alien or when they die they may just merge with the spirit world until the recycling occurs and they meet the "second death" when their energy is transmuted into another form that has no individuality at all. Might even be the fodder for the birth of a new sun.
That's the fate of all of us OR we can allow ourselves to entertain the reality of the Next level that also created the Raelians and the planets and elements and spirit world, to a degree of "belief" and the subsequent sharing of that belief with others which will put them on the list of those who want to be "saved" by the Next Level. It's not "saved" in the Christian sense. It simply means "put on ice" so to speak, so to be brought back once the planet undergoes a recycling period and this civilization is vanished so they can continue to build that founded belief into knowing and to eventual graduation by "giving their all". However this process of giving our all is practiced several times by new prospects over millennium but only give ALL when it is a natural occurrence as it was for the 39 that I can attest to by many practical examples and that can be linked with hand in hand with everything Jesus taught. Lot's of people pick and choose a thing or two that Jesus said, to support their view of what they were taught he was all about but few consider the entire body of work and experience and demonstration of resolve that Jesus had and that is required of us at the point we are nearing our own "spirit birth", in other words to be born of spirit.
The schooling of these new "saved" souls may take them several lifetimes in interface with a human vessel, but the end result will be a new creature that is then a part of the Next Level's crew - in service to the true creator crew not the facsimile
I spent 19 years with the Heaven's Gate group and the two Teachers, Ti and Do. I feel I do have communication with them but not for trivial reasons. I'm not told stuff to say. I am not a channeler of spirits nor am I anyone's teacher. The information stands on it's own feet. I simply express my experience and point of view that I've acquired from that experience. And no one I know, believer or not is seriously contemplating "laying down their human life", though it may certainly cross our minds from time to time. To take such action without significant direct preparation from a genuine representative from the Level Above Human, over the course of time, even years may be at this point avoiding the harder task of living in this world and dealing with it's challenges and growing and sharing what we know and feel about Ti and Do, a task that is hard enough. We need a body to learn our lessons. It's only when we have learned all the lessons we can that we might be ready to leave. With each lesson there are levels of strength of mind to develop so the lessons get repeated over and over. We can't do this on our own. We don't develop or grow a soul. That is a gift to us because the Next Level determines that we might take advantage of what opportunity having a soul presents. No one has it made in this respect. Just because I spent all those years with Ti and Do, so have lots of information about them to share does not mean I am any closer to being ready for the next graduation classroom that will most likely not take place until the planet experiences a major upheaval that will wipe the current civilization clear to give an opportunity for a new garden patch to be planted.
However, if someone did believe in Ti and Do and died by whatever method I believe your soul/essence will be "saved" by the Next Level, saved for the next opportunity to grow closer to your eventual graduation that will involve "giving your life" - trusting completely the Older Member(s) that are sent to do the task of interface with us. I doubt any prospect for Next Level graduation will be taken physically. The Next Level could do so. However, the space aliens may very well pickup some humans before the Next Level comes the one last time during this civilization, thus be careful not to get on a spacecraft that lures you with big smiles and promises. The Next Level never lures someone. It doesn't mean they are not happy and show it by their countenance but they will not look like humans (male and female, different race characteristics, etc.) or mammalians nor reptilians.
At this point we are going to experience continued upheaval in all aspects of the world.
I hope this offerring can be of value to Ti and Do as to you. I know it can leave one overwhelmed but let me say that it is like strong medicine and from it can come an amazing healing and the awareness of how magnificent this reality really is and therefore gratefulness to the opportunities the creators of this planet and all it's elements have provided to us.