US Flag 'Offensive' at Kindred Hospital in Mansfield, Texas

by Tina Kells | May 28, 2009 at 06:37 pm
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Debbie McLucas, an employee at Kindred Hospital in Mansfield, Texas was stunned when she was told to remove a US flag she had in her office window because it was deemed "offensive" by hospital administrators. The US flag offensive? In Texas??

The mother of three military service people, one of whom, her daughter, is currently serving in Iraq for a second tour, and army wife, Debbie McLucas hung the flag to honor her family and her country during the week leading up to Memorial Day. On the Friday before the Memorial Day long weekend she was told to remove the US flag because it was "offensive."

McLucas, a supervisor at Kindred Hospital in Mansfield, Texas, had displayed the 3-by-5-foot flag in the office she shares with the hospital’s three other supervisors. McLucas said one of her colleagues, a woman who immigrated to the United States from Africa 14 years ago, complained about the flag to upper management, and the hospital decided to take down the flag.

"I was told that as long as my flag offended one person, it would be taken down," McLucas said.

She said the hospital told her that the American flag flying outside the building would have to suffice. "I was told, ‘There is a flag hanging out front, everyone can see that one. Is that not enough?’"

No, she said, that wasn't enough.

"It is more than I can even fathom, that you would find the American flag offensive, in America," McLucas said.

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jean marshall

The flag was in the office for Memorial Day. The woman displaying the flag has a daughter currently in the military in Iraq and had 2 sons which served prior in the military as well. Since when is it overdoing it to display patriotism for Memorial Day? A day where service men and women are celebrated for their service. How is it anti-international thinking to display national patriotism on this day that is to celebrate those who are currently giving their lives and have given their lives for their service? 

 People display their national flags at soccer games abroad is that anti-internationalism as well? B/c they are showing support for their home teams?

It is no,t in America ,considered to be offensive to display your country's flag. A flag that has much meaning. It is a symbol of our American Anthem. I guess you can not understand the deep symbolic meaning behind our flag. Perhaps b/c you don't have that same heritage.

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Jim Scott

This Hospital should be ashamed of the person who complained as well as the person who ordered the Flag be removed. As a 20 year Army Vet, I am deeply saddened to see such ignorance taking place in the USA....and especially in Texas.

Fire the complainer....send her back to where she came from 14 years ago and send that fool who ordered the flag removed right along with her.

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Roy C

If the flag is too big, then the boss could ask her to use a smaller flag. A different message entirely to hear that the flag is "offensive".

That is OFFENSIVE.

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Michael Al

Don't lump all Americans into your hate-America mode when you know nothing about them. What did America do to you, man? What's wrong with you?

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israeli.agent

If that is the management's policy, then it is ok. I am only talking about the particular immigrant here. It has nothing to do with how Americans feel or not. How that immigrant feel about being in America?. Why did that immigrant migrated to US for the first place? Because he/she could not live in his own country or what she/he gets there is insufficient even to barely live.Now after migrating to another country, after getting a life and after getting so many benifits on the tax payer's (American money paid by Americans) the immigrant suddenly finds the view of the flag alone "offensive". That is something very cute indeed.

So what will happen if some other employee finds a religious dress / costume worn by another employee "offensive" ? Like a Jew skull cap or a Muslim veil or a Sikh's turban? Every symbol should be treated as equal, right?


.Agent.

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israeli.agent

Update..!


A Kindred Healthcare spokeswoman did not return calls for comment. Kindred issued a press release stating, “Kindred Hospital Mansfield has a great deal of appreciation for the service that many of our employees and their families have given to their country. We honor our veterans and active military through a variety of benefits and service programs. This was an isolated incident between two employees that we are working to resolve amicably.”

The statement went on to explain: “The disagreement was over the size of the flag and not what it symbolized. We have invited the employee to put the flag back up.

And it will go back up and stay up, McLucas said.

"I do think they're trying to do the right thing. I have no reason to believe the flag won't remain there as long as I'm employed."


.Agent.

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Thomas F.

Ok, we are talking about a woman who hung an American flag in observance of Memorial day inside HER office.  Who cares how big the flag was!  She is not asking anybody to come in to her office and salute or say the pledge of aligiance.  Oh and Paschen, for all the posting you are doing on this site it seems to me that you are the one "getting all worked up for nothing."  Furthermore if somebody's rights are being trampled on by their employer, citizens of this country have the right and responsibility to share their views with said party.  This is not "bullying" or "harassment".  While you live in Canada, where it seems that people have no love or respect for their country, you have no clue of why this is offensive to people.  Dedication to ones country is not "insecurity".  I'm sure that your employees (if you really have any) find it a real pleasure to work for such an ignorant slob.  This is why people like you belong in Canada.  So get back to your igloo, hop into some flannell and watch some hockey.  By the way, when was the last time a Canadian team won the Stanley Cup?

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SuiteJudy

The funny part about the statement here is that really it always OTHER countries who burn the US flag and fly it upside down. People risk life and limb, just to enter the United States, and when they get here, they spit on the very people who welcome them, the very ground that protects them and theirs.

Perhaps it's really only those who are here illegally who can't stand the thought of looking at the stars and stripes, because the sacrifice isn't theirs yet.

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Tina Kells

I think the point is that it was in the US. Who goes to any country not expecting to see that country's flag? Who lives in a country with the same expectation? Why is a national flag offensive in the nation it belongs to? Those are the key questions here. Why should an American in America be told it is offensive to be proud of their national symbol?

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Tina Kells

Thanks for this.

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israeli.agent

You are welcome, Tina.

By the way, An anonymous comment which said something good about me is just disappeared from this story. The url to that comment was http://www.nowpublic.com/comment/reply/2336732/377582. I wanted to thank the commentator for his/her kind words ( something I rarely get here..lol, maybe it is my id.) for me and opened the reply button pressed. After sometime when checked that anon comment itself just disappeared. 

Could that be a bug in software or something?


.Agent.

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george g.

dear Tina, if the person did not speak English she should not have the job - I hope you get the point. Just in case you want to raise an issue here, when I had the priviledge to imigrate to US, I did not speak english and I could not work in a hospital (or any such job) until I've spoke the language sufficiently to do the job. This is not french speaking Canada not Mexico - if you don't speak english, get a lesson and do not apply for a job which requires such basic skill as local language

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Paschen

A 3 by 5 foot flag is some what over doing it in an office setting.

I ran a business in Canada and no Canadian Flag was there either, only the UN flag. All Staff followed that policy since the business promoted international thinking and not national thinking. I was not against putting up all 192 flags of Nations and the additional 6843 official clans or Ethnical flags, however since there was not enough room for all of them together the one UN flag had to do.


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israeli.agent

"If the immigrant African finds it so offensive...............GO BACK TO AFRICA!!!!! Then you can live in your shack and not have to look at our flag!!"

Exactly..! Did that immigrant find it too offensive to shamelessly utilize and live on the benefits provided by the "offensive" dollars..?

I like this story. Funny beyond any stretch of imagination...!


.Agent.

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CJaye

This is our country and we should be able to fly our flag anytime anywhere, enough said!

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SMT

Here is the contact info for the hospital:

Kindred Hospital - Mansfield
1802 Highway 157 North
Mansfield, TX 76063
Phone: (817) 473-6101
TX TDD/TTY# 800-735-2988 

Ive made it a point to call them every so often and tell them how I feel about this issue. You should too! its only by putting pressure on them, that they will realize just how incredibly stupid this issue is. Lets generate some numbers in their call center people!


-Steven

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Sharon Russell

How DARE YOU!! to tell this woman to remove the American Flag.  DA!! DA!! We live IN AMERICA!!!  That is our flag and if the African lady doesn't like it she can just go back to her country where she can fly her own flag.  Are we such wimps that we give in to everyone who does't like America.  I hope to hear an apology from you for this action and RETURN THE AMERICAN FLAG  where it belongs.  It's a slap in the faces of all who died and all who suffered in 1700's so we can fly this flag.

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Ken McClellan

Regarding the individual who found the flag offensive:  You came to the United States voluntarily.  No one forced you to live here.  If the flag of the US is so abhorrent to you,, if the standards and ideals for which it stands offend you, get out.  Go home.


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Paschen

That flag does not have a country any longer Agent.

Getting all worked up over a flag in an office is some what immature and show a great lack of confidence in once nation.


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israeli.agent

I know about that flag, Paschen.

Yes there is no need to get worked up seeing a flag in the office. That should be applicable to everyone - even for that African immigrant too. Does he feel offended if he counts the US dollar bills? Like the US flag, US dollars also is another symbol of that country.


.Agent.

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israeli.agent

You are welcome, Paschen. Yes, if the size of the flag was the issue ( for example it was restricting the movement of the person who made the complaint to such extend that he / she could not do his /her duty) then the whole incident makes sense. But IMHO, the flag offends the some feeling is a different matter altogether.

Finally, peace and darn! everybody needs to check their blood pressure now..!

:-).

 

.Agent.

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Tina Kells

Excellent point Paschen.  For all we know she objected to the size of the flag and not the flag itself. Or perhaps, her issue was with where it was placed, maybe it obscured something important or made it hard for her to do her job.  If the person who asked it to be removed does not speak English fluently, as some comments here suggest, she may not have meant it was offensive at all... she could have meant "it gets blocks the light and I can't do my job."

Thank you for raising that point!

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FreeTexan

It's not about a flag in an office paschen. It's about how someone came from ANOTHER country who complained about OUR symbol of freedom getting their way. I think if she found it offensive we should ship her back to Africa.

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george g.

you can fire anyone you want i n Canada, Paschen. Keep your socialistics propagande there as well. I am not offended  nor will  I fire a single emplopyee of mine (100+) for wearing US flag on t heir t-shirt. African  (or any other for the record) a$$hole being offended by America Flag hanging in any of my offices will get fired on spot. Period. If you don't like it, too bad. Stay in Marxist Canada, I do not care. Just do not stick your nose in to our busines - nobody asked you....

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george g.

thanks, ISL agent, well said

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george g.

to  "Michael Al (not verified)" - he hates it because he did not get an entry visa to US .... -:)

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a military mom

george g.

DULY NOTED!!this is the problem we  being the strongest country in the world immagrants who flee other countries and come to the usa,for reasons as no freedom of speach, lack of food,health care ect,dictatorship in their country is and has been there before sand,however, theres a respect issue here ,they come here take food from our familys ect u know the game ,yet the have the nerve to be disrespectful .the flag our  forefathers and mothers remember the women that served as nurses in the military as my great grandmother did ,died for a purpose freedoms never free the loss we suffer still today is and has purpose,even thou i as a military mom have my mothers love for my son who will be deployed scratches my head lays my head down at night with tears of fear are there i still stand tall proud and fight for everything we as the people of the united states of america stand and fight ,and defend for .this issue at hand will never come to an end regretfully,thoses offened ones will and continue to come here and you will press one for english,??your sons and daughters yours and my grandkids will have no ss no pell grants,no health care because they the offeded ones will take priority because we gave it to them freely allowing them to come here no blaming just making my point,the boundries have been crossed and now the repercussions are on us americans .like our flag being disrespected what about how they took our solider by rope dead and drug him around with the flag burning next to him laughing ,smiling as thou ha ha on us what a shameful disgusting feeling that gives me !what a disgrace ,paschen the african need to be punished she needs to be fired and shipped back with a reciet,he(paschen) needs to shut up i have a huge bag of shut up for him and her and would gladly hand feed them.when i was a single mom raising both my children working two jobs going to school i stood in the grocery line counting my pennys praying i had enough for one meal for my kids while the lady from another country pulled out her food stamp card and a basket full of great food and couldnt speak a word of english feed her kids as mine watched i felt my country was doing somthing wrong with this pic,,feeling me here ,,but i saw this over and over again .look i have no problem feeding kids or making sure there healths being looked after there kids ,babies theve done nothing but be born innocent but its the illigals that are grown and know how to screw our system that gets under my saddle like a burr.we feed our own first we take care of our own first thats what debbie was doing looking out for her own and our children by hanging the one thing that we hold respect and honor most to us it was for all of us she respresented us all as americans.but was critizied,put in shame from a woman who hasnt earrred her american rights .shame on her shame on the ones who defend her .iam sickened to read the ones like paschen and a few others who allow the comments to be freely said its absolutly a disgust.

military mom

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Tony Ks

I am offended by anyone who is offended by the display of OUR AMERICAN FLAG! LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT   This is AMERICA  It is time for all of this BS to STOP! We are slowly losing OUR COUNTRY........ask yourself why?

 

 

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Disgusted

What does the  UN Flag have to do with anything?  This is about the right to have your country's flag in your office.  Who cares about the UN Flag?  That represents the most worthless misguided impotent corrupt organization in the world.  That's not a country and has nothing to do with this.  Any idiot who took offense against an American flag in America is welcome to move to Canada and fly the UN flag since the Candians obviously don't feel they have a national flag worth flying.  You'll have to figure out the UN's theme song and sing it instead of "O Canada" at the next Olympics.

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Paschen

Policy, that is what "Disgusted". A business has it's own rights to state what goes and what does not go. Simple. 

If you do not like it, you do not have to work there.

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