Only 20% of the FEDs income returns to the US Treasury.

by djangofan | February 16, 2009 at 04:33 pm
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I was listening to an AM radio talk show the other day and a guy phoned in and asked the host if he knew whether or not the Federal Reserve banks paid taxes on their profits.  The talk show host didn't know, even with the help of a Oregon US representative on the phone.

I became very curious.  There is 50+ Trillion dollars of monetized debt in our US economic system. At a 5% interest rate (which I will use in my argument as the average rate of interest that FED banks charge to their customers) that would account for around 2.5  trillion of interest income on issued debt.  That is a conservative number because you still need to add T-Bill interest profits, subtract the insignificant 6% divendend income that federal reserve shareholders receive, and then add extra profits that FED banks earn from transaction fees.

Off the top of my head, according to the 2008 US Treasury balance sheet, located on page 5 at http://www.fms.treas.gov/mts/mts1108.pdf , the Government only received about 500 billion in excess interest profits from the treasury in 2008. So, where did the other 2 Trillion of interest go? Should we believe that the banking system requires 2 trillion in operating expenses each year?

With the Federal Reserve banking system having more than 2.5 Trillion a year in profit, how is it even possible that there could be a single bank failure?  It doesn't seem possible when we know that they are swimming in 2.5 trillion of profits on interest.  It would seem that a not-for-profit corporation such as the Federal Reserve system could easily pay off their liabilities before the excess profits go back to the government.   Not so in this case because evidently the tradition is to take additional bailout funds from the government after they pocket the remaining 80% of their interest income.   You can't tell me that 2 trillion dollars goes to operating expenses!  That would be enough to give 40 MILLION americans a $50,000 a year job!

Can anyone explain this. Its fine if you want to trust the Federal Reserves "word" that the entirety of its profits go back to the Treasury but its obvious they are pocketing FAR more than their good share of the profits.    Yes, this is a socialist idea I have here but it is clear from reading the consitution that the founding fathers MEANT for the monetary system to be in the "hands of the people" first and foremost and then profits to the people should be secondary to that.  In this case the people have no say at all.

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bearish

You're doing a good thing investigating these issues. No politicians seem to know anything, or give a s&*t either way. I am anxious to find out the answers to these questions, and find it outrageous that everything the Fed does is behind closed doors.

People will look back on this period in history as the financial dark-ages. It's absolutely mind-boggling.

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derek parr

I'm not seeing how this is a "socialist" idea. It sounds more libertarian to me... Even constitutionalist, which is pretty much the same thing.

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Ryan Fugger

Hi.  I can explain it.  The Fed doesn't make money on the 50+ trillion of monetized debt, just on the assets it holds, mostly US government bonds.  The way it works is that the Fed prints up Federal Reserve Notes out of thin air, and issues them into the system by buying various types of assets. 

http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/current/h41.htm#h41tab10

Looking at the linked table above, there are currently about 850 billion in FRNs in circulation, plus 150 billion sitting in the Fed vault out of circulation.  That means the Fed hold about 850 billion in assets, earning various degrees of interest.  It is this Fed profit that is returned to the Treasury, not the interest on all monetized debt.  Most of that profit goes to regular banks, who are risking their own FRNs betting that borrowers will pay them back:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking

Make sense?

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