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by generaldecay | April 27, 2009 at 05:52 am
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Communications firms are being asked to record all internet contacts between people as part of a modernisation in UK police surveillance tactics. The home secretary scrapped plans for a database but wants details to be held and organised for security services. The new system would track all e-mails, phone calls and internet use, including visits to social network sites. Ministers say police need new tools to fight crime but opposition MPs and campaigners have raised privacy fears. Announcing a consultation on a new strategy for communications data and its use in law enforcement, Jacqui Smith said there would be no single government-run database.
Bye bye privacy, hello Big Brother.
The Home Office will instead ask communications companies - from internet service providers to mobile phone networks - to extend the range of information they currently hold on their subscribers and organise it so that it can be better used by the police, MI5 and other public bodies investigating crime and terrorism.
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"Communications data is an essential tool for law enforcement agencies to track murderers, paedophiles, save lives and tackle crime," Ms Smith said.
Perhaps, but where is the line drawn between tackling crime and invading privacy? I don't think anyone has defined that yet.
Although I couldn't in clear conscience agree with what a Tory says, he does have a point:
Shadow home secretary Chris Grayling said: "The big problem is that the government has built a culture of surveillance which goes far beyond counter terrorism and serious crime. Too many parts of Government have too many powers to snoop on innocent people and that's really got to change.
And:
Guy Herbert of campaign group NO2ID said: "Just a week after the home secretary announced a public consultation on some trivial trimming of local authority surveillance, we have this: a proposal for powers more intrusive than any police state in history.
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at 09:51 on April 27th, 2009
This whole "war on terror" is precisely that - engineer a problem by playing each side off against each other so you can profit and obtain agendas you want in place. Be it 3rd party security contracts, telecoms/infrastructure, reduction of privacy laws/civil liberties and big brother attitudes. As long as people are in constant fear (unseen terror attack, pandemics, financial crisis, etc), you can do what you like to them and get away with it.
at 06:21 on April 27th, 2009
It seems terrorists are succeeding in achievement of their designs as the governments are either legitimately (by framing new laws) suppressing liberties of (in other words terrorising) their citizens or illegitimately picking up, incarcerating and torturing innocent people. Just like the UK did with 11 Pakistani students some days ago.
at 06:20 on April 27th, 2009
This is troubling and crosses the line of people's privacy. Between wire taps and an internet monitoring system, the government will soon be intereste in your lifestyle. It makes it almost scary to use any sort of new technology. Let them get court orders for cause if they feel the need to monitor someone. They can.t search your house without a warrant, why should it be different for the internet?
at 09:37 on April 27th, 2009
The more and more I read of the intentions of government and the big brother state, the more I realise that the internet is not for me, an hour a month in an internet cafe will do.
at 09:41 on April 27th, 2009
But I couldn't survive without the Internet. None of my friends would ever hear from me for a start. And while I don't think I ever say anything controversial, I don't want to be monitored.
Thanks for the recommendation and comment. :)
at 10:45 on April 27th, 2009
With all due respect....
The link goes to:
Plan to monitor all internet use By Dominic Casciani
BBC News home affairs reporter
Further, with your reference to the constitution and laws and all that, since when did that matter to any politician. Please read on this same site:
WIRETAP RECORDED REP. HARMAN DISCUSSING AID FOR AIPAC DEFENDANTS.
This story in a nutshell Democrat House Rep. Harman from CA told Israeli spies she would kill justice investigation in exchange for them lobbying her to be chair of house intelligence committee. This was caught on a legal wire tap. FBI was set to investigate when Republican Appointee Attorney General Golzalez intervened to and offerred to kill Justice investigation into Harman in exchange for Harman's help in defending Republican bush on issues relating to warrantless wire taps.
I suggest to you that it is not Republican vs Democrat, nor Conservative vs Liberal, It is Average Voter vs Corrupt Politicians. They have breached the public trust in more ways than 2 Trillion dollars stimiulus, 700B Bank Bailout and 85B AIG bailout....
With Respect
The Cynical Patriot.
at 07:15 on April 27th, 2009
I have met the enemy and they are the "Thought Police" Tea Party Promoters put on notice. Bad Thoughts[As defined by the Power Elite] will be punished.
If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.
The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad.
James Madison, (father of the US Constitution)
They who would trade Liberty for Security, soon have niether and deserve none.
Ben Franklin
Your Welcome
The Cynical Patriot
at 09:01 on April 27th, 2009
Precisely, hussain. Thank you for the recommendation and comment.
at 09:08 on April 27th, 2009
BIG BROTHER. BIG BOTHER. IT WOULD END UP LIKE A PICK AND MIX SWEET SHOP. OH ! DEAR WHAT ONES WILL I GET,AND WHAT SHALL I LEAVE BEHIND IN THE GLASS JARS.
at 09:08 on April 27th, 2009
So basically the UK government is not abandoning its plan to collect and monitor communications; it's only adding a layer of redundancy which, in practice, is not much of a hindrance at all.
The larger issue is (as always) the UK's shockingly bad track record of managing sensitive data.
at 09:08 on April 27th, 2009
Thank you for sharing.
at 09:11 on April 27th, 2009
Well, it seems that they've been talking about this for a while - will we, won't we, should we, we'll do this but not that, we'll do that but not this etc. etc.
The data protection issue is, as you say, huge - and I just KNOW that something Very Private Indeed will be found on a train station platform at some point.
at 10:15 on April 27th, 2009
this is a load of rubbish, how can they expect to moniter all internet access! besides, its violating human rights, right to privacy and whatever
at 10:27 on April 27th, 2009
Who is the individual responsible for originally promulgating this idea? How can it be a Home Office initiative? Is this person afraid to claim authorship? Policies don't just manifest themselves from a vacuum. Step into the light, whoever you are!
at 10:46 on April 27th, 2009
Please see my words to JoeBee
Cynical Patriot
at 11:05 on April 27th, 2009
As I understand it, this was a generic civil service Home Office/ Ministry of Justice idea. They're like the Borg, frankly.
at 11:41 on April 27th, 2009
or did they?
at 12:30 on April 27th, 2009
The UK is like a giant open prison: they monitor everything you do, they photograph you constantly, they snoop, and when they get angry with somebody too much, they have them rendered to some mystery place to be tortured and maybe killed. Sounds like fascism to me?
at 09:30 on April 28th, 2009
Walking away from the oppression won't make it go away, its insidious nature inherently lends it to follow you wherever you are. You'll still be affected, much of your personal information will be in databases they can monitor. Stand up and nip this in the bud. I think you're on the same page as everyone else, your ambivilence just seems troubling to me.You should be angry! Defiance is invigorating! To hell with tyrants! Long live the Queen!
(I know that makes no sense at all, but doesn't that last bit let you get away with almost anything across the pond? Which Queen am I supposed to be talking about?)