US automakers still putting out crap.

by eastvanray | November 5, 2008 at 10:02 am
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It looks like the American auto makers better start spending more on quality control (and quality employees) and less on TV ads that tell consumers how good their cars and trucks are.  I guess Obama will fix this problem as soon as he takes the oath......

 

Asian brands dominate car quality rankings; Scion most reliable
Updated 10/24/2008 12:51 PM | 
Toyota's Scion leads 'Consumer Reports' list of most reliable models.
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Toyota's Scion leads 'Consumer Reports' list of most reliable models.
By Chris Woodyard, USA TODAY Although Japanese brands still dominated Consumer Reports' annual ranking for predicted reliability, the editors say Ford Motor is making such strides it has pulled well ahead of its Detroit rivals.

And after a weaker-than-usual showing last year, Toyota surged back to the top echelon. "The Japanese manufacturers still own the top of the charts," said Consumer Reports' auto editor David Champion. "They've built their reputation on reliability."

Automakers covet a top score because of the non-profit, independent nature of Consumers Union, the magazine's publisher. Predicted reliability is based on a survey of subscribers about 1.4 million vehicles they own or lease. Data are based on three years of the model unless it's been out fewer years.

Japanese products held the top spots for predicted reliability of 2009 models in every vehicle category. Japanese or South Korean brands held the top 10 spots in the separate ranking of full brand lines. Toyota's Scion scored a double: Best brand overall, and its xD model was the top small car.

LIST: Reliability rankings on 2009 brands

"The recognition is especially gratifying since the xD launched last year as an all-new model," said Toyota spokesman Xavier Dominicis. "We have redoubled our efforts around quality."

A Ford brand didn't make the top 10, but Lincoln was 11, Mercury 15 and Ford 17, and editors said the company is making big strides. When lower-ranking, truck-based models are excluded, Ford rivals the top Japanese products, Champion said.

Ford officials say they are pleased. "Our quality is on par with the best in the world," said Bennie Fowler, Ford's senior vice president for global quality. The company has worked hard to improve quality, from the design stage to production, he added. Among the changes: Warranty repairs at dealerships are reported to headquarters within 48 hours, allowing teams to look for patterns and fix problems before more units are made.

Consumer Reports singled out Chrysler as Detroit's worst. Almost two-thirds of its models rate below-average in reliability.

"We are disappointed," said Chrysler spokeswoman Beverly Thacker. "We know we have to improve, and that's what we're doing on a daily basis."

Among Consumer Reports' other findings:

Small cars did well. Some of the most fuel-efficient cars were the most reliable. Besides the xD, Honda Fit, Toyota Yaris, Hyundai Elantra, Mini Cooper Clubman and Honda Civic were also cited.

Hybrids proved reliable. Nine gas-electric models from different makers rated above average. Because of their two powerplants, gas-saving hybrids generally involve more complex engineering than conventional cars.

•Mixed record for trucks. Two Japanese brands, Toyota Tundra and Honda Ridgeline, were considered most reliable. All of the least reliable were from Detroit's Big 3, including Dodge Dakota.

Luxury European brands improved. Mercedes-Benz did better, though a third of its models still have reliability issues. Audi and BMW also showed better reliability.

The editors called General Motors a "mixed bag." Its Chevrolet Malibu 4-cylinder, Buick Lucerne V-8 and Pontiac G6 4-cylinder scored above average, but the Cadillac CTS and GMC Acadia, Buick Enclave and Saturn Outlook crossovers fell below average.

BEST AND WORST IN RELIABILITY

Rank Make Average Worst model Best model
1 Scion 62 tC xD*
2 Acura 42 MDX TSX (2008)
3 Honda 42 Civic Si Fit (2008)
4 Toyota 40 Camry (V6) Matrix*
5 Lexus 38 GS (V8)* SC*
6 Infiniti 38 QX56 M35 (RWD)
7 Subaru 23 Legacy (turbo)* Outback (turbo)*
8 Hyundai 21 Entourage* Elantra
9 Mitsubishi 20 Eclipse* Outlander
10 Kia 19 Sedona Optima
11 Lincoln 18 MKX (AWD) MKX (FWD)
12 Mazda 17 RX-8* Mazda3 Sedan
13 Mini 12 Cooper Convertible S* Cooper Clubman*
14 Nissan 11 Versa Sedan* Altima Hybrid
15 Mercury 9 Mountaineer (V8, 2WD)* Milan (4-cyl.)
16 Volvo 3 XC70* C30*
17 Ford 3 F-250 (turbodsl 4WD)* Fusion (4-cyl.)
18 Buick -1 Enclave (AWD)* Lucerne (V8)
19 Porsche -3 Cayenne* Boxster
20 BMW -7 X5 (V8) 6 Series*
21 Suzuki -10 XL-7* SX4
22 Audi -11 Q7 (V6)* S4, RS4 (2008)*
23 Saab -13 9-3 Convertible* 9-5
24 Chevrolet -15 Corvette Malibu (4-cyl.)*
25 Volkswagen -21 Touareg Rabbit
26 GMC -21 Acadia (FWD) Sierra 1500 (V8, 2WD)
27 Mercedes-Benz -28 M-Class (V8)* SL*
28 Jeep -35 Wrangler 2-door Patriot
29 Pontiac -36 Solstice (non-turbo) Vibe*
30 Dodge -42 Avenger* Caliber
31 Cadillac -57 SRX (V6) DTS
32 Chrysler -60 Sebring Convertible* Aspen
33 Saturn -66 Sky (non-turbo)* Aura XR (V6)
34 Land Rover -119 Range Rover* LR3*

* Based on one model year.
Source: Consumer Reports

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at 11:14 on November 5th, 2008

eastvanray, I like this story. It's good stuff. ...Hybrids proved reliable. First encouraging quality news of electric drives.

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eastvanray

Thanks for the GS Solar.  In theory at least pure electric cars should be even more reliable as they have much fewer moving parts.  I want my Tesla!

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TR Anderson

The higher the ranking, the more I doubt the accuracy of the result.  Why?  The answer can be found in the 3rd paragraph:  "Predicted reliability is based on a survey of subscribers..."  

Say I'm a subscriber and my Dad works for Toyota and my uncle works for Toyota and my brother owns a Toyota dealership.  I've owned nothing but Toyotas my entire life and you're going to get an unbiased opinion about Toyotas from me??

Base your study on warranty work records, not subscriber opinions.

 

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eastvanray

You do n ot honestly believe that US made cars are a well built as foriegn made ones?  I have driven plenty of both and can tell you (and no one in my family works in any industry related to the auto industry) that dollar for dollar I will always choose a non-US/Canada built car.  Hands down!

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Catalytic Converters

No wonder the Scion got the number one spot. Based on my experience, their cat converters is their best stuff which is incomparable.

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Catalytic Converters

No wonder the Scion got the number one spot. Based on my experience, their cat converters is their best stuff which is incomparable.

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Catalytic Converters

No wonder the Scion got the number one spot. Based on my experience, their cat converters is their best stuff which is incomparable.

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