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9/11 Debate: Jon Gold Vs. Pat Curley of ScrewLooseChange
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by Erik Larson | November 26, 2008 at 06:05 pm
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Youtube video; Jon Gold of YourBBSucks.com, who also posts at 911Blogger.com, and Pat Curley of ScrewLooseChange.Blogspot.com debate the 9/11 Commission and unanswered 9/11 questions.
Also check the comment threads at 911Blogger and ScrewLoose.
9/11 Debate: Jon Gold Vs. Pat CurleyThe debate took place on Monday, November 24th, 2008 on the Franklin Pierce University closed circuit television show, The Dynamic Duo and was moderated by the show's hosts Justin Martell and Eric Jackman.
Topics:
1. Are there unanswered questions?
2. Was the 9/11 Commission a legitimate investigation?
Post debate comments from Pat, posted at ScrewLooseChange:
"Justin and Eric treated me fairly, and they did not interject their own opinions into the mix. They did a professional job on this production, and I appreciate and applaud their efforts. Jon represented his side well."
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2008/11/my-debate-with-jon-gold_25.html
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at 20:59 on November 26th, 2008
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2008/11/my-debate-with-jon-gold_25.html
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at 21:52 on November 26th, 2008
that's fine dj- i didn't hyperlink it myself cuz i think they're such asses; i'm loose nuke at 911blogger.com
at 22:02 on November 26th, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Uhbf7nxM0&feature=related...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyTqTtItsfg&feature=related...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GLK3A1LMMU&feature=related...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rrLPpCXX1g&feature=related...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNnkg0g9Wc0&feature=related...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekcct2y2FN4&feature=related....
at 22:04 on November 26th, 2008
I have more confidence in Galen with his fine presentation of the facts..and he has no connection to LooseChange.
Rev. Jermano
at 23:41 on November 26th, 2008
Dennis "galen" Mitrzyk "9-11 Researcher and Activist" is the guy who put up whodidit.org which has a list of necons and other people, many of whom, imho, should be investigated in connection with 9/11 (and other crimes), but galen implies every Jewish person on the list is an Israeli-American dual citizen, that a "military drone painted to look like American Airlines flight 77, possibly in combination with a cruise missile" hit the Pentagon, that the "cell-phone calls" from the passengers and attendants weren't real (many calls were on airfones, Dewdney's study wasn't in the US), alleged hijackers are "still alive" (several were reported alive after 9/11; some MSM made erroneous reports, some mistaken identity; questions remain about their identity, evidence of doubles- no real evidence has been provided the named 19 actually boarded the flights, that i'm aware of), and other problems-
Galen also sends emails to mass lists where he insults and verbally abuses people who don't believe what he says he believes.
personally, i don't think he's credible at all.
i would recommend people visit the following sites to learn more about 9/11:
HistoryCommons.org - Complete 9/11 Timeline - exclusively "mainstream" sources; including statements of Bush Administration principals
JournalOf911Studies.com - peer-reviewed papers; so far, a paper, letter and a response to Bazant's article have been published in mainstream, peer-reviewed scientific journals
at 04:10 on November 27th, 2008
The whole point is whether the 911 Commission is creditable. I think we can both agree that it is not. In that light of friendliness I think Galen is creditable. As far as issues such as insults, and verbal abuse....I don't know and have no way to verify. I also believe his ideas which were similar to my conclusions about the cell phones, the missile hitting the Pentagon, and that many of the alleged hijackers are still living.
Thanks for your links as well...All information is good to study. Galen never mentions the motive aspect, but that does not take away his creditability... I believe the motive was a coverup to the dealings with Enron...I have never heard or seen his ideas on that.
Where the issue goes in solving 911 I think lies with Enron...and how Citigroup seems to be coming out of this smelling like a rose. They are the key in the puzzle.
Rev,. Jermano
at 14:40 on November 29th, 2008
Here's a link with lots of links for more info- what i hear most often about the Pentagon is the "hole" is too small for a 757; but when all the photos are looked at, it can be seen there's a 90' gash in the first floor with a fuselage-sized hole in the center. Plus, the damage path, wreckage in photos and seen by witnesses are consistent with a 757 impact. In addition, there are at least 100 eyewitnesses on record to a jumbo jet impact, and many saw the AA, red and blue- some were even close enough to notice the wheels weren't down:
Is the 9/11 ‘Pentagon Hole’ a Psyop to Distract from Real Questions?
I'd check HistoryCommons.org for the latest public info on alleged hijacker identities and status.
911Research.WTC7.net has a number of entries on the calls from the planes
at 05:26 on November 27th, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXBmmf9F4rw。。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0eC3uns3pA&feature=related。。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&feature=related。。
http://www.altacocker.com/。。。
Rev. Jermano
at 21:24 on November 29th, 2008
I don't buy the story Erik. The engines are the biggest and heaviest part on both wings, and yet no damage to the Building where the wings extended onto the building....makes this whole 911 flight 77 crash bogus. I don't care how many witnesses they had. Why don't they release the videos taken of it from various locations?
Fuselage wheels could have been planted before hand. Where is all the debris as all other similar airline crashes have always provided?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWZHKIg3Cs&feature=related...
Jermano
at 22:00 on November 29th, 2008
the publicly available photos show there's space for the engines.
Why don't they release the videos and other photos, as well as documents and additional witnesses? One explanation is this is being done in order to fuel controversy over a non issue.
Is the 9/11 ‘Pentagon Hole’ a Psyop to Distract from Real Questions?
If someone produces evidence that something other than a 757 crashed into the Pentagon, or that one didn't, or that it wasn't 77, or that anything else is false about anything about 9/11, i'm interested to know. However, it hasn't happened yet.
Arabesque.Blogspot.com and FrustratingFraud.Blogspot.com have debunked citizens investigation team and pilots for 911 truth and the flyover/missle theories
Meanwhile, this timeline ties names to names, dates, events and places- to say the least, there are too many unanswered questions- a new investigation is needed Change.org
HistoryCommons.org Complete 9/11 Timeline
at 22:20 on November 29th, 2008
Also how do you explain this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A&feature=related...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRC4lCQuBmc&feature=related。。。
I want to let you know Erik..that it is very likely terrorists did hijack some planes, such as United 175, playing a part in a bigger roll in which the Towers were also demolished through the use of detonation imploding bombs. The Bush people seem to think because there are terrorists who commandeered the planes, somehow makes them not part of the plot? The US Bush people orchestrated it, set it in motion....maybe even paid off relatives to the hijackers in payment who would give their lives to do such a deed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci6Q5B1mWhU&NR=1...
Given this unseen video at the Pentagon....do you see any plane debris? I sure don't
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=869bO4jI1po&feature=related..
Jermano
at 23:06 on November 29th, 2008
I don't know anything about the people who made the videos- skimmed them. I prefer to read, generally- i can check links, names, sources very quickly
First video features Dr. Steven Jones has done a lot of important research that disproves NIST reports and makes the case for controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2 & 7. He uses video and photos in papers and presentations- this is the open access journal he co-founded:
JournalOf911Studies.com - peer-reviewed papers; so far, a paper, letter and a response to Bazant's article have been published in mainstream, peer-reviewed scientific journals
The videos showing the Pentagon imply the damage is inconsistent with a 757 hit; however, there are other photos- see my article here:
Is the 9/11 ‘Pentagon Hole’ a Psyop to Distract from Real Questions?
I don't know who did 9/11; i just know that a lot of people, starting with the people who were in charge of intelligence, defense, investigation and law enforcement still have a lot to answer for. The 9/11 Commission Report ignored 70% of the Family Steering Commitee's questions.
It may be fun to try and figure out what happened, but it's not my job; the government has never given a credible explanation for 9/11, and they're still sitting on mountains of evidence.
This timeline ties names to names, dates, events and places:
HistoryCommons.org - Complete 9/11 Timeline - exclusively "mainstream" sources; including statements of Bush Administration principals
at 23:19 on November 29th, 2008
Thanks Erik.....
What I sense is people are entrenching into their own outlets in debunking the Government Claims for some sort of acclaim to authority toward answering the unanswered questions. I think that is a mistake....given we need to unite around the cause...there are many resources that debunk Gov. claims.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH21gKbEllM&NR=1....
This guy has some interesting and valid points... too.
Jermano