9/11 Truth, Here is the Proof, WTC Building 7 imploded due to Fire and Heat

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9/11 Truth, Here is the Proof,  WTC Building 7 imploded due to Fire and Heat National Institute of Standards Report Says.

Fires in the 47-story office tower at the edge of the World Trade Center site undermined floor beams and critical structural columns, federal investigators concluded Thursday, as they attempted to curb still-rampant speculation that explosives or fuel fires were responsible for the building’s collapse of Sept. 11, 2001.

Text of the Report (pdf)

The long-delayed report by engineers here at the National Institute of Standards and Technology in suburban Washington is intended to solve one of still lingering central questions about the 2001 attacks: Why did 7 World Trade Center fall, if it was not hit by an airplane.

“Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail,” said Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator. “Video and photographic evidence combined with detailed computer simulations show that neither explosives nor fuel oils played a role in the collapse that brought the building down.”

No one died when 7 World Trade Center fell, nearly seven hours after the twin towers came down. But the collapse of the adjacent tower — once home to branch offices of the Central Intelligence Agency, the Secret Service and to the Giuliani administration’s emergency operations center — is cited in hundreds of books and Internet sites as perhaps the most compelling evidence that an insider secretly planted explosives, intentionally destroying the tower.

It is the first skyscraper in modern times to collapse primarily as a result of a fire.

The investigators determined that debris from the falling twin towers ignited fires on at least 10 floors at 7 World Trade Center, which was about 400 feet north of where the city’s two tallest buildings once stood. The blazes burned out of control for six hours, as the city fire department, devastated by the collapse of the twin towers, abandoned its efforts to extinguish the fire, and the sprinkler system was incapacitated.

The heat from these fires, the investigators said, caused the beams on the lower floors of the east side of the tower to expand, ultimately causing a girder on the 13th floor to disconnect from a critical interior column that supported the building’s long floor spans. Once the 13th floor gave way, a cascade of floor failures started down to the fifth floor, leading to the overall collapse of the tower.

The investigators said that if the city water main had not been broken during the collapse of the twin towers, the sprinkler system would likely have put out the fires at 7 World Trade Center, and the building would not have fallen.

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joellerose
joellerose
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at 14:36 on August 21st, 2008

politisite, I like this story. It's good stuff.  It's too bad we have to keep going back over this material because of the moonbats out there who would have us believe that President Bush blew up the World Trade Towers, and will not give it up no matter how much evidence is presented by reliable sources.  Bush Derangement Syndrome means just what it says - a mental illness.  They also will not give up their "selected, not elected" nonsense even though 12 independent newspapers investigated Florida 2000 and every one found Bush won a majority of the votes cast.

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politisite

I know about the Florida recount... I was covering the story at the time.  In this case the Building 7 report just came out.  I also included and engineers report from 2007.  I love how these guys call Bush Dumb but say he and Cheney were able to pull off one of the largest conspiracies in history.  Thanks for your comment and reading the story

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Donnie Anderson

So.. why did it take them 7 years to come up with their reason building 7 collapsed?

Bush is dumb, but you dont need to be smart when you're a puppet.

 

BigT
BigT
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at 19:54 on August 21st, 2008

politisite, I like this story. It's good stuff.

Al, I think we all know that this isn't going to change anything. The 9/11 Truthers are still going to go around the Internet claiming Bush blew up WTC 7 and it was his administration behind 9/11. "People shorted airline stock, the building fell in a weird way, how could we just let this happen?" etc. and etc.

What bothers me is that these people even come on this site and spout such ridiculous BS and there are people who give them flags. It's scary thinking that such stupidity persists in America and around the world.

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politisite

You gotta love Bush haters, they are as unchanging as Bush is on policy

Paschen
Paschen
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at 20:20 on August 21st, 2008

politisite, I like this story. It's good stuff.

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georgewashington

Well, let's take a look . . .

Experts

Why didn't NIST address what these experts say?:

  • Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California, says:
"Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition"

  • Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California, writes:
"Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds... ? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust."

  • Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England, points out:
"WTC 7 Building could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and external debris. NO plane hit this building. This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world. The fire on this building was small & localized therefore what is the cause?"

Symmetrical Collapse

NIST lamely tried to explain the symmetrically collapse as follows:

WTC 7’s collapse, viewed from the exterior (most videos were taken from the north), did appear to fall almost uniformly as a single unit. This occurred because the interior failures that took place did not cause the exterior framing to fail until the final stages of the building collapse. The interior floor framing and columns collapsed downward and pulled away from the exterior frame. There were clues that internal damage was taking place, prior to the downward movement of the exterior frame, such as when the east penthouse fell downward into the building and windows broke out on the north face at the ends of the building core. The symmetric appearance of the downward fall of the WTC 7 was primarily due to the greater stiffness and strength of its exterior frame relative to the interior framing.

NIST can't have it both ways. If the exterior frame was so stiff and strong, then it should have stopped the collapse, or - at the very least - we would have seen a bowing effect where tremendous opposing forces were battling each other for dominance in determining the direction of the fall.

In real life, the thick structural beams and "stiff [and strong]" exterior frame used in the building should have quickly stopped any partial collapse, unless the support columns were all blown. At the very worst, we should see a 1 or 2 floor partial collapse.

Freefall Speed

NIST said that WTC 7 fell at 40% slower than freefall speed. But it collapsed alot faster than it would have if the structural supports were not all blown away at the same instant. 40% slower isn't very impressive -- that's like arguing that a rock falling through concrete 40% slower than a rock falling through the air is perfectly normal.

Again, why did the building collapse at all, given that the thick structural beams should have quickly stopped any partial collapse?

Fires Knocked Down Steel-Frame Buildings

NIST said fires alone brought down Building 7, but other office fires have burned longer and hotter without causing collapse.

No Explosive Sounds

NIST also said:

"No blast sounds were heard on the audio tracks of video recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses."

Oh, really?

What about this, this, this, this, this and this?

Moreover, as discussed below, high-tech explosives don't necessarily make the same loud "booms" that dynamite make.

High-Tech Explosive Residues

And why were there residues for high-tech explosives at ground zero (and see this)?

Molten and Partially Evaporated Steel

And what about the pools of molten metal at ground zero for months? And why was the at and under the ground at the site of WTC 7 as hot as the ground under WTC 1 and 2?

And the New York Times wrote that partly EVAPORATED steel beams were found at WTC 7. But normal office and diesel fires are not NEARLY hot enough to evaporate steel. Hydrocarbon fires fueled by diesel (which was apparently stored at WTC 7) and normal office materials cannot evaporate steel. Steel does not evaporate unless it is heated to at least 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit. Everyone agrees that fires from conventional building fires are thousands of degrees cooler than that.

Pre-Knowledge

And why didn't NIST address the obvious pre-knowledge by everyone around and well in advance that 7 was going to come down?


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politisite

GW:

Thanks for your extended comments.  I saw that you had written an article opposite to this one.  A link to your story would have done just as well. You might remember that many high level folks died at the WTC disaster.  Did did they miss the memo?


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djermano

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/warren-buffet-henry-kissinger-x-aig-mitre-corporation-blackstone-group-911

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What You Need to Know About What Really Happened on September 11, 2001

1.

Did you know that a third World Trade Center high-rise building also fell on September 11th? WTC Building 7 was a 47-storey, steel-framed skyscraper located a full block away from the Twin Towers and it was not even hit by any plane. Nonetheless, it fell at near free-fall speed straight down into its own footprint at 5:20 p.m. that afternoon.

YES

NO

2.

Did you know that the owner of Building 7 Larry Silverstein, said "We’ve had such a terrible loss of life that maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it [Building 7] and they made that decision – to pull – and then we watched the building collapse" and yet The 9/11 Commission Report never mentioned a thing about Building 7? [N.B. ‘Pull’ is an industry term for using controlled demolition]

YES

NO

3.

Did you know that ‘Lucky’ Larry Silverstein was awarded 4.68 billion dollars in insurance claims for the Twin Towers which he had just leased six weeks before 9/11 from the Port Authority of New York who declined to spend the multi million dollars required to remove the asbestos and bring the Towers up to code required by law?

YES

NO

4.

Did you know that fire has never caused any steel-frame building to collapse in the history of architecture, except on 9/11 when three skyscrapers fell at near free-fall speeds despite the fact that there were 47 massive steel columns in the core of each of the Twin Towers?

YES

NO

5.

Did you know that most of the WTC steel was quickly shipped overseas – before any independent investigation – and melted down? (This is unprecedented and contrary to federal crime scene laws.)

YES

NO

6.

Did you know that fighter jets routinely are scrambled the minute any airplane loses contact with the FAA or deviates from its flight path and this, on average, takes 20 minutes?

YES

NO

7.

Did you know that in the nine months preceding 9/11 there were 67 jet fighter scrambles of wayward airplanes and that on average 100 intercepts occur each year?

YES

NO

8.

Did you know that the Secret Service broke established protocols by allowing President Bush to remain in a well-publicized classroom photo op for at least 8 minutes after it was revealed to him that "America was under attack" when Andy Card informed him that the second plane had hit the second tower?

YES

 

NO

9.

Did you know that the SEC (Securities Exchange Commission) has never revealed the unidentified traders who made millions of dollars in profits by short-selling the stocks of American and United airlines that were impacted by the attacks?

YES

NO

10.

Did you know that there were countless warnings of "impending terrorist attacks" from at least 11 countries prior to 9/11 and that the threat level for such an attack was ‘blinking red’ according to George Tenet, Director of the CIA?

YES

NO

11.

Did you know that Attorney General John Ashcroft, San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown, author Salmon Rushdie and (according to Newsweek) a group of high-ranking generals at the Pentagon were warned not to fly on 9/11 but would not reveal who told them?

YES

NO

12.

Did you know that in September of 2000 a group known as The Project for A New American Century (PNAC), many of whom would become key officials in the Bush administration, wrote that their proposed massive military buildup would proceed slowly "absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor"?

YES

NO

13.

Did you know that at least 6 of the alleged 9/11 hijackers were reported to be still alive according to BBC and UK print media reports in the weeks following 9/11?

YES

NO

14.

Did you know that the FBI has said that there is no evidence to link Osama bin Laden to 9/11 and that Osama is not wanted for the crime of 9/11 on the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list?

YES

NO

15.

Did you know that Bruce Lawrence, the leading scholar of Osama bin Laden stated that the December 2001 confession tape, which the Bush White House flaunts, is fake?

YES

NO

16.

Did you know that Colin Powell promised a White Paper proving that Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda were responsible for 9/11 back in 2001 – but never produced that White Paper?

YES

NO

17.

Did you know that the Bush administration resisted the formation of the 9/11 Commission for 441 days? Or that similar investigations, such as those for Pearl Harbor, the JFK assassination and the space shuttle disasters, all started in one week?

YES

NO

18.

Did you know that "The Jersey Girls" – four courageous 9/11 widows – finally forced the 9/11 Commission into existence and presented many questions, 70% of which were ignored? Or that under the leadership of Bush administration insider, Philip Zelikow, the final report failed to address any of the evidence pointing to official complicity?

YES

NO

19.

Did you know that no official agency (the FAA, FBI or the airlines) has ever released a list of the 9/11 passengers which includes the names of the hijackers, but within hours after the attacks, the FBI released a definitive list of the 19 so-called hijackers?

YES

NO

20.

Did you know that multiple air defense drills (war games) were planned for the morning of 9/11 and that these exercises left only a few pairs of fighter jets available to protect the entire North East Air Defense Sector of the United States leaving Washington and NYC vulnerable to an attack?

YES

NO

21.

Did you know that there was no visible airplane debris where Flight 93 supposedly crashed near Shanksville, PA – only a smoking hole in the ground, much like a bomb crater, with a pile of scrap metal, but that there was debris from the aircraft found 8 miles away at New Baltimore? And that Shanksville Mayor Ernie Stull said three times in an interview with Gerhard Wisnewski for a 2003 German documentary that there was "no airplane"?

YES

NO

22.

Did you know that office furniture burns at low temperatures of 600 to 800°F, and that jet fuel, an ordinary hydrocarbon has a maximum burning temperature of 1200°F, but that steel melts at 2750°F?

YES

NO

 

23.

Did you know that tests have shown that cellphone calls cannot be made at altitudes over 8,000 feet for any meaningful duration and, that more significantly, United Airlines Flight 93 was proven to be 35000 to 40000 feet high when calls were made?

YES

NO

24.

Did you know that a bomb reportedly went off in the North Tower in the basement a few seconds before the first plane hit according to Willie Rodriguez, a janitor who became known as the last man out and was awarded a medal by President Bush for his bravery in rescuing dozens of people from the North Tower before it collapsed?

YES

NO

25.

Did you know that Hani Hanjour was known as an incompetent pilot to his trainers and yet he pulled off an unprecedented 270°-330° turn at 500-530 mph, diving 7,000 feet in 2.5-3 minutes? And crashed Flight 77 into the least populated, most reinforced section of the Pentagon?

YES

NO

26.

Did you know that the mainstream media in the US is owned and controlled by five or six major corporate conglomerates (see p. 2.) and that there has been very limited and sporadic coverage of alternative views about 9/11? Any time they are raised, the MSM accuses the questioner of being a conspiracy theorist or even a traitor (as you will see in the following set of articles).

YES

NO

TOTAL SCORE (Give yourself one mark for each YES.) =

How did you score?   ...

1 - 6             You may be suffering from corporate controlled mainstream media brainwashing.

7 - 12           Your brainwashing is wearing off.

13 - 18         You’re on your way to becoming a 9/11 truth expert. Keep digging.

19 - 24         You should be leading the 9/11 Truth movement in your community and helping spread the word about what really happened on 9/11!

25 - 26         You might consider running for President of the United States and restore the justice, freedom and democracy for which the Republic stands.

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politisite

Rev.  The idea that since a building was, "a full block away", means anything is absurd.  The building, a full block away, sustained a great deal of damage from debris, then there was a massive earthquake like event that could have shifted the building.  Controlled demolitions have multiple explosions that are usually seen by the outside of the building.  There were none, so some 9/11 Truther doctored a video to show explosion points on the outside of the building.  The video you will see on their sites is exactly the video shown here without the flash points. 

If one needs to doctor video to add evidence to to a theory, it means the eidence alone does not meet the standard.



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djermano

Did you know that fire has never caused any steel-frame building to collapse in the history of architecture, except on 9/11 when three skyscrapers fell at near free-fall speeds despite the fact that there were 47 massive steel columns in the core of each of the Twin Towers?

Perhaps in the future we can get a building of similar composure and set it a fire to watch it collapse?. Yet why do that when there have been many many buildings that have succucmbed to fire and never imploded. It is impossible for a building to collapse in free fall from fire.

SOLARLIFE
SOLARLIFE
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at 00:29 on August 22nd, 2008

politisite, I like this story. "controlled demolition?" In case, it is a fundamentel error to blame bush for it. Who benefitted most with receiving $2bn mostly from Allianz, who could never afford to remake the old buildings with toxic Asbestos around the metal? Which papers have been destroyed, during already ongoing wall street crisis? The offices have been most used by Wall street companies at this time turning to wonder women "ENRON" to replace Wall street. Why was no rapid reconstruction ever done?

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politisite

I will tell you, most of the papers you are talking about are archived in an underground nuclear safe bunker in New Jersey.  Following 2003 a contract was made with a company to back-up computers and store copies in NJ.  In addition most of NJ government information is stored there as well.


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joellerose

You see, BigT, there are not just a few moonbats, there are millions of them.  For example, anyone with common sense and not a loser who observed John Edwards decided in the first 15 seconds of seeing him that he was a liar and a charlatan, but, even now, there are many who defend him.  You are never going to convince the moonbats, many of whom have good jobs in higher educattion.

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Emilio Lizardo

As has been pointed out before, anyone who believes what government has to say about the 9-11 affair also must believe what the Warren Commission had to say about Jack Kennedy’s assassination. Further, they would also believe the official version of James Forrestal’s death.

Finally, they might even believe the earth is flat. And for their benefit, I provide some references to help them argue their case more convincingly

  • Carpenter, William. One hundred proofs that the earth is not a globe. [6th ed.] Baltimore, 1885. 39 p.
       QB638.C3 1885a
  • Davenport, Walter. "They call me a flathead." Collier's, v. 79, May 14, 1927: 30–31. illus., ports.
       AP2.C65, v. 79
       "Wilbur Glenn Voliva, the boss of Zion City, knows the world is flat. He can prove it. He doesn't care what you think or what the newspapers say. He's still doing business at the old stand, and business couldn't be better."
  • Edgell, William. Does the earth rotate? [London? 1927] 69 p. illus., port. NN
  • Flat earth. New statesman and nation, new ser., v. 9, Jan. 12, 1935: 35–36.
       AP4.N64, s. 2, v. 9
       Signed Y. Y.
       On the views of Henry Edgell, "the most persistent modern advocate of the theory that the earth is flat," who had just died at the age of 73.
  • Gates, David, and Jennifer Smith. Keeping the flat-earth faith. Newsweek, v. 104, July 2, 1984: 12. port.
       AP2.N6772, v. 104
       On Charles K. Johnson and the International Flat Earth Research Society.
  • Goudey, Henry J. Earth not a globe: scientifically, geometrically, philosophically demonstrated. Over 75 arguments and 30 diagrams. Boston, Mass., 1930. 145 p. illus., fold. map.
       QB52.G7



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politisite

The earth is flat.  Its a fact, I get our my map and roll it out.. is it a globe?  Nope it is a flat piece of paper that guides me to where ever I want to go.  I still do have trouble while at the sea, when a ship comes in I see the mast before the rest of the ship... it must be an optical illusion



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joellerose

Losers need conspiracies to explain their own failures. Some conspiracies are for the greater good, like for the good of the country or for the good of the service. I don't believe the Warren Commission, but I believe their motives were of the highest order, and I shut up about it.

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Emilio Lizardo

Is this why US government has demonstrated a conspiracy of 19 Saudi nationals here on valid visas who were all able to take Airliner pilot training and then execute a well coordinated asymmetric tactical strike against the US on 9/11 - a conspiracy carried out over the course of months and all under the radar of government agencies mandated to protect our nation from just such activities and having a combined operating budget of at least 200 billion US$ per year ?

Long question, I know - but, you can probably get it if you concentrate real hard ...

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joellerose

All governments are inefficient, ineffective, incompetent and liable to corruption.  That's why I shudder to think of our government taking over healthcare, or of electing people who think more government is the answer to every problem

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BallyZACA

Politisite:  They probably wern't manufactured on the video.  However, having spoken with a structural engineer he explained they were pressure points releasing energy as each floor collapsed, or pamcaked down onto the floor below.  No mystery, no conspiracy... other than those who are so gullible as to believe anything they read and/or see on the internet.

Once told, read, or seen... it becomes fact.  Example: "You mean a wet-bird does fly at night?"

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