Activist Editors at Wikipedia Censor 'Active Thermitic Material'

by Erik Larson | April 13, 2009 at 07:48 pm

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Activist editors at Wikipedia have changed the name of the "World Trade Center Controlled Demolition Hypothesis" page to "World Trade Center Demolition Conspiracy Theories", are removing all links to the paper "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe" recently published in the refereed Open Chemical Physics Journal (including from the 9/11 Truth Movement page and even Dr. Steven Jones' page), and have banned and/or restricted some users that re-add the links and question their policy.

See the discussion thread at TruthAction.org- many links to relevant pages at Wikipedia; the "Talk" page is very revealing of their bias, hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty.

The new paper has pulled the rug out from under the wikipedia front lines defending the official story and they have now suddenly changed the title of the demolition page from --

Controlled demolition hypothesis for the collapse of the World Trade Center

to --

World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories

Here is their discussion. They are clearly on the defensive. They removed the link to the paper, claiming it is an "unreliable source". It's been reposted and removed again. Consider joining in . . .

This is the paper they don't want you to see:

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe

EDIT:

I'm posting my replies to Sven Monk and BS Sniffer here (see comment thread), cuz for some reason, when I try to post more than 1 comment reply on articles I post, I'm getting a Spam rejection notice. I haven't gotten a reply from tech support since my first message to them a couple days ago, trying again after this.

Sven Monk-

""refereed" journal. This journal is published by Bentham Scientific, do a quick google of that name + "scam" they solicit undergrad students for ""peer review" and will publish anything as long as the author has the money. I'd call that an unreliable source. If it was in "Nature" then this would be a story."

Another attack, without evidence to support it. Yes, look into Bentham Science; they publish nearly 200 open access journals, have been around since 2007 and papers published by them are cited in other journals- and Wikipedia allows Bentham articles as sources in other articles!!! As a start up with an initial goal of creating 300 journals, they sent out a huge number of emails. They may have made some mistakes, but notice how sven monk hasn't pointed any flaws in their editorial standards or peer review process, or provided a source cite or link to back up its claim that Bentham "will publish anything as long as the author has the money". Sven has also not pointed out any flaws in the paper. Where did these red-gray nano-engineered chips with thermitic properties come from?

Funny u should mention Nature- a Journal that has published work by Jones:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/

· S.E. Jones, E.P. Palmer, J.B. Czirr, D.L. Decker, G.L. Jensen, J.M. Thorne, and S.F. Taylor & J. Rafelski, "Observation of Cold Nuclear Fusion in Condensed Matter," Nature 338: 737-740 (April 1989). Results confirmed:2001: "Enhancement of the electron screening effect for d+ d fusion reactions in metallic environments", Europhysics Letters, 54:449 “...the observed enhancement of the electron screening in metal targets can, in tendency, explain the small neutron production rates observed in the cold-fusion experiment of Jones [reference 1989 Nature paper].” Also, K. Czerski, et al., Eur. Phys. J. A27:S01,83 (2006) “ As shown in [Europhys. Lett. 68:363 (2004)], the screening energy of order 300 eV determined in accelerator experiments can explain the neutron production rate observed by Jones et al. [Nature 338:737, 1989] at room temperature.”

BS Sniffer: "Steven Jones latest paper..I love a good joke. I hope it is as funny as his last "peer-reviewed" papers. Complete junk science on samples of unknown origin. No chain of custody of specimens. Jones is too biased to be writing a paper like that. I am more likely to believe his story of Jesus having tea with the Mayans, then his super-duper super-nano thermite theory."

Actually, Jones isn't the lead author; Harrit is. And there are 7 other authors besides those 2. By saying "Jones latest paper", Sniffer is likely referring to the peer-reviewed Fourteen Points letter published in Bentham's Open Civil Engineering Journal which uses NIST's own words and shows their conclusions are unsupported, and has never been rebutted, let alone debunked, in any journal. And don't forget the full paper published in The Environmentalist, which uses the EPA's own data to support the energetic materials hypothesis. Also never rebutted or debunked. And be sure to also check out James Gourley's 2000 word rebuttal to Bazant's joke of a BS paper accepted by the Journal of Engineering Mechanics- somehow, both met editorial standards.

October 19, 2008. “Discussion of “Mechanics of Progressive Collapse: Learning from World Trade Center and Building Demolitions” by Zdene k P. Bazant and Mathieu Verdure” Journal of Engineering Mechanics. (pg. 915)

Gourley comments on the process: http://www.911blogger.com/node/18196

August 4, 2008. “Environmental anomalies at the World Trade Center: evidence for energetic materials”. The Environmentalist.

April 19, 2008. “Fourteen Points of Agreement with Official Government Reports on the World Trade Center Destruction”. The Open Civil Engineering Journal.

BS- "Complete junk science on samples of unknown origin. No chain of custody of specimens."

Notice how BS has no evidence to support its claim of "junk science". Also no evidence to support the insinuation that Jones or the private citizens, none of which have the equipment or expertise to manufacture aluminothermic nanocomposite materials, salted the specimens. Again- how did these red-gray chips get in the dust?

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Erik Larson

at 20:14 on April 13th, 2009

thx for the flag, Rhonda- you're awesome!

Mebbole (not verified)

at 06:31 on April 14th, 2009

Ummm, have any of you actually read the paper? It does not have much scientific rigor to back up the hype.

Erik Larson

at 17:11 on April 14th, 2009

"Ummm, have any of you actually read the paper? It does not have much scientific rigor to back up the hype."

Yes, i read it, and studied parts of it in greater detail.

Notice how mebbole has not cited anything to back up it's claim of lack of scientific rigor. The paper met editorial standards, and passed a peer review process which required additional experiments and analysis before approval.

sven monk (not verified)

at 07:12 on April 14th, 2009

"refereed" journal. This journal is published by Bentham Scientific, do a quick google of that name + "scam" they solicit undergrad students for ""peer review" and will publish anything as long as the author has the money.

I'd call that an unreliable source. If it was in "Nature" then this would be a story.

B.S. Sniffer (not verified)

at 11:23 on April 14th, 2009

Steven Jones latest paper..I love a good joke. I hope it is as funny as his last "peer-reviewed" papers. Complete junk science on samples of unknown origin. No chain of custody of specimens. Jones is too biased to be writing a paper like that. I am more likely to believe his story of Jesus having tea with the Mayans, then his super-duper super-nano thermite theory.

Keith Knowles (not verified)

at 20:12 on April 17th, 2009

B.S. Sniffer mentioning "chain of custody" sounds like Johnnie Cochran trying to get the US govt off on a technicality. We wouldn't be in this situation if the govt had done its forensics diligently and honestly (e.g. testing for H.E.) instead of shipping the evidence overseas as fast as it could.

For me, the behavior of the US govt in all of this, and the ways in which it has shot ahead in abusing and suppressing freedoms since 2001, add motivation to means and opportunity.

djermano

at 02:36 on April 15th, 2009

Wikipedia editors are crooks Erik. It all began when they started their own conspiracy site. Some information they have is useful...such as dates and that of course the WTC fell to the ground....but other than that.... they are ostrich editors....big shot pen quills, heads in the sand and a lot of egg on their face..

Thanks for the reminder.

Rev. Jermano

Erik Larson

at 20:51 on April 15th, 2009

the arguments they're using on the "talk" page are definitely crooked and hypocritical. And it's not a surprise, but the censorship, while annoying, is useful for alerting the public about the so-called wikipedia's active attempts to manipulate the public record and public opinion. I'm glad to see all the visits to this article- and the truthaction thread has well over 1100 views now.

john birch (not verified)

at 04:36 on April 17th, 2009

thermite is just aluminum and rust. both of which would obviously be found in abundance when an aluminum aircraft smashes into steel girders. continuously referring to the rust and aluminum as "nanostructured super-thermite" or "thermitically active nanocomposites" sure does makes the rust & aluminum seem unusual and vaguely sinister, though. good job!

the most crucial piece of evidence is how this mysterious iron-rich substance reacted when heated by an acetylene torch. not only was it observed to glow orange & react violently, analysis of the end product revealed evidence of melted iron. compelling!

djermano

at 05:58 on April 17th, 2009

Yeah right Birch Tree... That's why several pictures show the steel beams clean cut burned at 45 degree angles, while they quickly worked to get rid of the evidence...by scoop and dump orders from Guiliani trashing peoples bodies into a landfill.

The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic....I suppose your rust is highly energetic right?

Rev. Jermano

B.S. Sniffer (not verified)

at 19:18 on April 17th, 2009

Those steel beams were cut with torches AFTER the building fell during the cleanup process. Show me how thermite can cut at a 45 degree angle. Where is all the detonating cable, blasting caps etc? Thermite is not an explosive. And yes iron burns. Those chips are nothing but paint from the Brooklyn Bridge.

djermano

at 20:23 on April 17th, 2009

Your sniffer must be off, because those pictures were taken before work crews began clearing the rubble. They can apply the thermite to cut into the steel beams in any angle they want. Whatever device they used to make it happen, could easily have been done with cell phone technology.

Rev. Jermano

B.S. Sniffer (not verified)

at 19:52 on April 29th, 2009

Those pictures were taken during the CLEANUP, this is well known. You can see the same 45 degree oxy-acetelyne torch cuts on other photos of the steel piled up in trucks. Are you trying to tell me that thousands of kilos of therm*te was smuggled past security, employees and bomb sniffing dogs then placed in some unknown device that held the therm*te in place, knowing that some of the charges would be eliminated by the planes. Why use planes at all, why not just blow it up like they tried in 1993. Thermite burns DOWNWARDS so how would you get it to make such nice clean cuts. Only a welder with a torch or thermal lance could have made those. Give evidence that the photos were taken immediately after the crash. Shove therm*te up your ass traitors, supporting the terrorists.

djermano

at 02:29 on April 30th, 2009

Tell me why cutters would cut 45 degree angles when it is faster to cut the steel in a straight line...to move the steel out of the way for loading. And since there were many 45 degree cuts, those would be the ends shown from the pictures. There are devices that can place the thermite, and are independent from each other. It would not matter where the planes hit in the building. And yes it is possible to plant the thermite...in the building. Not to hard to get inside because the walls were a dry wall material.... and any maintenance crew could have been working in cooridor stairwells...having the thermite sent up by the elevator. They used planes to simulate a terrorist attack.. Hijacking is more convincing than thinking goatherders disguised themselves to be maintnenace workers to implode the buildings. Besides they tried that already in 1993... it didn't work. So they used planes this time...And using planes they could make a fortune by making all the call and put options that United and American stocks would fall...which they did....and someone made a load of money from that speculation.

And BS sniffer....there are many pictures of the thermite residual after affects...to include the molten pools of hot metal still hot in the basement areas...when they got there during the cleanup....another thermite indicator.

You have not given an explanation to why Building 7 to the OEM collapsed when it had no plane hitting it. This buidling was constructed entirely different with different materials and design plan...and yet it collapsed the same way as a demolition would occur.

You can call me a traitor. What the hell is that? It wasn't me who planted charges, and it wasn't me who declared war on Iraqi people who Bush even admitted afterwards they had nothing to do with 911. It wasn't I who killed over 1 million innocent Iraqi people. It wasn't me who authorized torture, and to this day Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld refuse to take responsibility for those criminal acts of kidnapping and torture. It wasn't I who sold Saddam Hussein Weapons of Destruction to fight a War on Iran. It wasn't I who shot down an Iranian Airliner, and no one was held responsible for that. It wasn't I who lied about all the bank failures and the preeminant crash of the financial Institutions. Somehow the idea I am a traitor is like saying that a bird in the tree caused me to have a flat tire. A total disconnection.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8182697765360042032.......

Rev. Jermano

George Basher (not verified)

at 17:19 on April 30th, 2009

Torch men cut at at an angle for the same reason we undercut trees -- safety.

The torch man can stand on the "up" side of the cut in case it falls prematurely. Generally it should not fall at all, while he's there, since he leaves a small tab of uncut steel at the top. It is the grapple that comes afterward to snap off the steel and load it, AFTER the torch man has cleared the area.

On clear copies of the photos usually shown, you can see both the entry hole at the top AND the tab area (top left of cut).

Thermite will not "cut" like this. If you've ever used it you know that it creates huge amounts of slag, far more than the area it cuts, and cutting a straight line with it would be like asking pigs to fly. Good luck. Ask any G.I. that's ever used a thermite grenade. It's a disgusting mess.

It also can't be a shaped charge cut, such as RDX. They leave laser-clean cuts, not like this. Not even close.

There's a reason that no demo professional has ever claimed these are thermite or explosive cuts. They'd be laughed out of the industry.

djermano

at 17:00 on May 1st, 2009

Loggers do not do a full 45 degree cut when they cut trees. And I might add that most of the steel was not towering pieces that had such a threat to having pieces fall down on them. They were wrangle stacked, or literally blown away in all directions and lodged into neighboring buildings.

Thermite can cut and it can be pre-planted. Just because you think it can't be done, doesn't mean you keep up with the latest technology. If many people knew of the method in how to do, then you would not be arguing with me. There are many pictures showing thermite residue from cut beams. And I might add....it is conceivable that thermite was used in key locations, while other cutting RDX methods were also used.

Keep laughing.....and tell us all about building 7.

Rev. Jermano

Erik Larson

at 21:52 on April 23rd, 2009

John Birch- "the most crucial piece of evidence is how this mysterious iron-rich substance reacted when heated by an acetylene torch. not only was it observed to glow orange & react violently, analysis of the end product revealed evidence of melted iron. compelling!"
Iron melts at 1400-1535 C- when heated in a DSC to 700 C, these red-gray chips ignited in an intense chemical reaction at 430 C, and iron microspheres were observed afterward- how can this be? The idea that aluminum plane crash and steel girders plus aluminum cladding produced these nano-engineered chips is absurd.
And- BS Sniffer saying they're paint chips- get real dude- that could've been you or your loved ones in the WTC. The people who destroyed the WTC have not been brought to justice, while 9/11 has been used to subvert the Constitution, torture, spy on Americans w/o warrant, massively increase taxpayer funding for the military-corporate complex and launch imperialist wars.
there needs to be a full investigation.

reddragon

at 10:11 on May 21st, 2009

and there it is...we've come a long way from 9/11 to Iraq to fusion centers..anybody wants to guess what's coming next???The train is still moving...

Pizote (not verified)

at 08:52 on April 23rd, 2009

Well, John Birch and his buddy B.S. Sniffer certainly made their points ... they know nothing. Mr. Birch is simply fanning smoke, soot and ash while Mr. Sniffer is shoveling B.S.

Strangerthanfiction (not verified)

at 16:12 on April 24th, 2009

Erik, thanks for telling the truth. The "debunkers" continue to harp on fallacious hypotheses, such as the idea that the thermitic material is a mere hodge-podge of iron and aluminum, as opposed to the highly manufactured material we see in micrographs in the April 3, 2009 Harrit et al. paper.

To all: please read the paper for yourself. PhD physicist David Griscom considers it to compare to the top 2% of scientific papers for which he has served as referee.

Again: please read the paper; it is worth the effort and time. And that is something well-worth harping on. Thanks.

B.S. Sniffer (not verified)

at 19:37 on April 29th, 2009

Erik Larson you are an asshole for bringing the victums of 911 into this discussion of your magical super-duper-uber-cosmic-super -nano -therm*te theory. You really think thousands of people were involved with killing 3000 of their own. You are a despicable traitor and should be boiled in a pot of molten steel and therm*te. Get in through your thick skull, moonbat, there is not an iota of evidence to support your position. Where is your evidence? THE SAMPLES DID NOT GO THROUGH PROPER CHAIN OF CUSTODY, so contamination or fraud cannot be ruled out. The samples are 9 years old. No scientist agrees with Steven or Alex Jones. The editor of Bentham Physics journal resigned because of this ridiculous paper. SEE SCREW LOOSE CHANGE. Also nano-thermite materials would have to be under 100nm in dimension, Jones found nothing like that. Only one of the materials that compose would need to be found. Thermitic materials can be found in CDs, DVDs, and hard drives. I wonder if anything like that was in WTC?

djermano

at 16:51 on April 30th, 2009

The war on terror has been going on long before 911 happened. One could say it began when the USA CIA deposed Mosaddaq....in 1953 to install the Shah...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat...

Follow the incidents and we can see actually who the terrorists really are...US.

Fall of the Shah of Iran January 1978
Saddam's Iraq invaded Iran on August 10th 1980 supported by Jim Carter
Reagan sells WMD to Iraq 1980's
The attack on the Marine barracks in Lebanon was in 1983,
the hijacking of the Achille Lauro in 1985,
Iran Contra Affair trading arms for hostages. November 1985
Reagan Bombs Qadaffi April 15, 1986.
Pan Am Flight 103 Iran Air Flight 655, also known as IR655, was a civilian airliner shot down by US missiles on Sunday 3 July 1988,
Lockerbie December 21, 1988
Saddam invades Kuwait August 2, 1990,
Operation Desert Storm January 16, 1991
President Clinton becomes President January 20, 1993 – January 20, 2001
Clinton seeks 14 billion in military cuts. Headline News February 4, 1993
the bombing of the World Trade Center in February 26, 1993
On February 28, 1993 ATF raided David Koresh Branch Davidians
October 3, 1993 - Battle of Mogadishu - Ranger Units receive heavy casualties in Somalia, Blackhawk Down incident.
Israeli Terrorist Attack October 19, 1994 Tel Aviv
The Oklahoma City bombing occurred on April 19, 1995
the attacks on American installations in Saudi Arabia in 1995 and 1996,
November 14, 1995 - Budget negotiations between Congress and Clinton break down, resulting in a temporary shutdown of the federal government until November 19. A longer shutdown will last from mid-December 1995 until early January 1996.
Terror Attacks in Israel March 4, 1996
On July 17, 1996 TWA Flight 800 exploded in the evening sky off Long Island
the East Africa embassy bombings of 1998,
August, 1998 - Clinton orders cruise missile strikes on Afghanistan to hit Osama Bin Laden and a suspected chemical weapons factory in Sudan.
March 24 to June 10, 1999 - NATO bombs Kosovo and Serbia
the attack on the USS Cole in 2000......

Rev. Jermano

Strangerthanfiction (not verified)

at 13:06 on April 30th, 2009

Erik Larsen, you are awesome! Thank you for honoring the fallen. The worse thing we can do is to fail to seek the true killers of those who died on 911. The "debunkers" CONTINUE TO IGNORE the relevant data (=evidence of thermitic material), or else come up with LAME excuses about 1) it's rust and aluminum just kinda mixed together, or 2) chain of custody arguments. Witnesses have signed and attested to the chain of custody. What is the problem with these assanine ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS who oppose actual investigation? Seems to me we should have MULTIPLE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS, and see where they lead. SHEESH...it might even improve our national security. ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT???