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Afghanistan – balance of NATO forces needed
Afghanistan is like the owners of a new home who can’t wait until the builders, contractors, inspectors, and pest removers depart so they can reoccupy it. That is one metaphor, but it doesn’t go very far.
“Here is your new home.”
Next, the Afghans pour back with the same neighbors and insurgents who gave the place a bad name to begin with.
Well, not so fast, that is why NATO wants to hang around and David Petraeus wants to provide a little neighborhood watch armed with M1AI tanks.
It is an American-led NATO experience here. If it was a NATO led effort with Americans in support, that would be more appropriate whereby we reduce our financial commitment significantly.
“NATO adopts transition plan for Afghan war
By Edward Cody and Karen DeYoung
Saturday, November 20, 2010; 8:51 AM
LISBON -- The U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan formally adopted a transition plan Saturday designed to turn over control of the war to Afghan security forces by 2014 but continue heavy financial and military support for the indefinite future.
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"Here in Lisbon, we have launched the process by which the Afghan people will once again become masters in their own house," declared NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen at a news conference with Afghan President Hamid Karzai standing at his side.
After NATO and the 20 other nations in the coalition sealed agreement on the 2014 transition goal, Karzai and Rasmussen signed an accord instituting what was called the NATO-Afghanistan Partnership, essentially a guarantee that as foreign forces wind down their combat role over the next four years they will not abandon Karzai's government in its struggle against Taliban insurgents.
"We have to make sure we do not leave Afghanistan prematurely,"Rasmussen said.
The turnover is expected to begin as early as this spring, at least symbolically, and gradually spread across the country as Afghan security forces strengthen to about 300,000 and, with intensified coalition training, improve their ability to confront Taliban rebels without foreign help, NATO officials said.”



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at 10:15 on November 20th, 2010
It would be better if they leave Afghanistan at the earliest, because not only save them money and lives of their soldiers but also rid the region of unrest and violence. But it seems nobody wants peace in this region, rather they are here to stay for decades. It would, however, cost so heavily that the countries involved might face the fate of Soviet Union.
People in the US and Nato states should wake up and press their rulers to end this madness, as in fact nothing has been achieved in nine years of war in Afghanistan, rather so many lives have been lost besides spending hefty sums of money on sustaining this prolonged war. The invaders have already suffered a humiliating war at the hands of Afghans and their allies and now aimless trying to conceal their defeat and humiliation to further hoodwink their peoples.
at 10:39 on November 20th, 2010
Facing the face of Soviet Union is out of question.There is no another power to train and arm and finance Talibans.What was Jihad against Soviets,is terror against American empire led NATO forces.This is the one difference.
What generals spit,Obama licks.His promised agenda of withdrawl of troops was meant to be broken like other promises.Withdrawl now depends on how many soldiers are killed by Afghan insurgents.
at 10:56 on November 20th, 2010
It is achieved by rendering the US bankrupt or by killing a large number of foreign troops, the Taliban have already won the war and the final victory will also be theirs.
Of course, it is a fact there is much difference between the war against Soviets and the Americans and their Nato allies, but the final outcome will be the same. I remember a statement of Maulvi Jalaluddin Haqqani in mid-October 2001, which has so far proven true and had previously closely watched the war against the Soviets so I am sure the Taliban will have the final victory.
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mbible (not verified)at 12:12 on November 20th, 2010
Obama did withdraw troops in Iraq, then he immediately sent troops to Afghanistan the next week. He hardly mentioned that was the plan. It seems that all politicians are trying to appeal to a large voting audience, and they never do what said or spin it somehow. He sure didn't lick those generals who were smartin off on the television. The had to go home, right now. I don't particuarly like his style of worldly matters, it could likely turn into a Jihad, on purpose.
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The 1 (not verified)at 11:38 on November 20th, 2010
Personally my opinion is that the strategic and national security interest of the USA will require a physical present of the United States of America in the middle east from now on. That issues of paramount political importance to the US, and regional security of the middle east in interest of our national security will require it. Countries currently of specific 'national security interest' to the U.S. include; IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, PAKISTAN, IRAN, ISRAEL, LEBANON, SAUDI ARABIA, SYRIA, YEMEN, INDIA, TURKEY The 'cost' both financially and in human value is high. The question then becomes at what cost concerning groups like Al Qaeda and countries like Iran do we draw a line. How do we manage or balance our international and national security interest with global terrorism. It's influence, rogue nuclear nations, rogue militia's. and extremist groups bent on the destruction of American influence, values, way of life, and national secure globally ? 1
at 14:20 on November 20th, 2010
It is about regional security only to the extent that it is about oil.
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The 1 (not verified)at 17:53 on November 20th, 2010
Also influence. It's more than just about oil. It's about controlling elements of anti American political influence taking hold in that part of the world. It's about our 'political nation security interest' in that region of the globe also. Thats why we are currently in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan as well as having specific ties with Israel, Jordon, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. 1
at 12:50 on November 20th, 2010
It is not strategic or security interests of US empire which render presence of US troops in Middle-East or Afghanistan and Pakistan necessary;it is part of long term stragey of global hegomony,control of energy resources,furthererance of economic interests of US empire by all means,peaceful or armed intervention and occupation.How small countries like Afghanistan or Pakistan can pose any threat to US security?That itself is a big question.
Rogue states are which states?Was Chile a rogue state?Is Cuba a rogue state?IsVenezuela a rogue state?Pakistan is a failed state,but still US supports her militarily and economically.Why countries with gross voilation of human rights are best friends of US empire?US qualifies to be only rogue country in the world now.A country which has flouted all international laws,has undermined UNO,Security Council,abused financial institutions like WB and IMF for its own political and economic interests.
Bottom line:US empire is right because might is right.
at 14:22 on November 20th, 2010
Might making right is of course a fallicy.
The Middle East agenda is about securing the flow of petroleum until the USA is independent from it.
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The 1 (not verified)at 17:57 on November 20th, 2010
I don't believe the United States pretends to be right in specific foreign countries that are ruled by corrupted governments or dictators. The aim of the US in those countries and regons of the world is specific leverage and influence. 1
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"thirty-aught-six" (not verified)at 16:27 on November 20th, 2010
Anyone who thinks that the world is going to contract upon itself hasn't been taking in world events over their lifetime but, rather have adopted or cling to regionalism as a defensive measure to stave off foreign influence. The real and material issue isn't influence. It is the demarcation of influence as foreign. The greatest social disability in the 21st century of mans recorded history is that we still consider ourselves foreign to one another, and that there are those wishing to maintain that condition.
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The 1 (not verified)at 18:11 on November 20th, 2010
That is a somewhat philosophical assessment of cultural and ethnic complexities. There is the possibility that diverse cultures were not seeds of a common evolution. That they didn't evolve from an unboken lineage. 1
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"thirty-aught-six" (not verified)at 20:31 on November 20th, 2010
I'm afraid you have gone well beyond my basic comment that as long as we view each other in terms as foreign, we can not hold the expectation of a global oneness in terms of human understanding. And that is what lies at the root of all diplomatic National communications. Countries do not call the agency who's business is international communication, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, for no reason. For example; we can not expect collaborative effort in upholding the UN Charter of Human Rights if the principles are viewed by some as foreign.
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The 1 (not verified)at 20:19 on November 20th, 2010
'Nato endorses Afghan exit strategy''
english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2010/11/20101120131146401315.html
at 22:43 on November 20th, 2010
@the 1(not verified)US empire's all out support to Suharto,Batista and Pinochet in the past,to Saudi Arabia,Egypt,Isreal at present does speak of the hypocracy,double standards of the US empire.Saddam was not as brutal as is Saudi monarch.Why Bush didn't talk of effecting regime change in Saudi Arabia?Can you answer this question?The only justification is US empire's strategic and economic interests are paramount,democracy or dictatorship or military rule doesn't matter.Voilation of human rights is acceptable as long as it suits interests of the empire.
Secondly,if another country,for example India,attacks Bangladesh or Nepal to effect regime change,would it be acceptable to so-called international community.Would you accept the silly argument of Indian government,in such an eventuality,that fundamentalists in bangladesh or Moists in Nepal are serious threat to India's security or interests?Although India has common borders with both these countries.Iraq and Afghanistan don't border with US empire.
at 06:02 on November 21st, 2010
"Saddam was not as brutal as is Saudi monarch"
I don't think that Saudi brutality is well known.
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The 1 (not verified)at 06:51 on November 21st, 2010
A double standard exist not because we condone specific actions foreign governments may take on there own people. The U.S. must work with other countries governments within the political framework foreign governments present to there people in their own countries.
Iraq became a threat to the national security interest of the U.S. by not allowing the U.S. specific political engagement in an international forum or specific weapons inspection and verification. The threat to that region was beyond U.N. international acceptance. Sadam was given numerous opportunities to comply with U.N. and the US request for weapons inspections and international standards compliance.
Saudia Arabia is currently allied with U.S. security interest in that region.
Your statement that,
"The only justification is US empire's strategic and economic interests are paramount, democracy or dictatorship or military rule doesn't matter. Voilation of human rights is acceptable as long as it suits interests of the empire."
is not specifically accurate.
U.S. interest can include political, strategic, economic or humanitaren interest. The U.S. is willing to work with any government regardless of it political status. The U.S. doesn't condone human rights violations and can't dictate or always politically change other governments actions on their own people.
Any actions by a country against another country goes through the U.N.
As per your example, India attacking any country would be subject to the same international standards that the U.S. is subject too; whether they share common borders or not.
Current military actions in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan has to do with regional stability and national security interest of the U.S. These specific middle east U.S. military actions have been currently agreed upon by the international community.
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at 08:09 on November 21st, 2010
The same "regional stability and national security interest of the US and "US military actions have been currently agreed upon by the international community" are going to be disastrous for the humanity. I am not sure how long it will take to happen but the current behavior of the US and the so-called "international community" will one day definitely cause annihilation of the humanity on the face of the earth.
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The 1 (not verified)at 09:54 on November 21st, 2010
"will one day definitely cause annihilation of the humanity on the face of the earth."
Actually Hussain, that is what the U.S. and the "international community," through there actions, are trying to prevent.
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at 00:54 on November 22nd, 2010
Please don't call it "trying to prevent" but trying to accelerate!
at 21:32 on November 22nd, 2010
@ The 1(not verified)US is the only state which has all the requisite qualifications of a rogue and bully state.
"I met personally with all my Security Council counterparts in an intricate process of cajoling,extracting,threating,and occasionally buying votes"-James A. Baker in his 'The Politics of Diplomacy:Revolutions,War and Peace'.
What James A. Baker,do remember he was Secretary of State,writes is what?The process he talks of,apart from being intricate,was what?
"Throughout the world,on any given day,a man,woman or child is likely to be displaced,tortured,killed or"disappered" at the hand of governments or armed political groups,more often than not,the United States shares the blame"-Amnesty International,1996.Could there be a comprehensive definition of "International Terrorist,the United States of America,better than what Amnesty International says about the malignant empire.