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Alberta Doctors to receive special Pandemic rate-Nurses outraged
Alberta is expected to run a 1.1 Billion Dollar deficit in Health Care this year. The Government has hired a Health Care Reorganizer, Mr. Duckett, from Australia to revamp our system. In the meantime some procedures have already been cut or reduced.
Despite this deficit and all the consideration on how to cut costs for Alberta Health Care, which is 40% of the Alberta budget, the Province has negotiatied a special pandemic fee for doctors. The special fee of $518 would be paid to doctors in case of a H1N1 (Swine Flu) pandemic.
Doctors and Nurses are salaried employees of the Alberta Health Care System. Nurses are livid over this decision. Nurses will not be offered enhanced payment.
The head of the Nurses Association, Linda Silas, who represents 158,000 Nurses across Canada, except Quebec calls the plan outrageous.
"It's total craziness. I'm surprised the government and the (Alberta Medical Association) would stoop so low in negotiating an outrageous rate in case of a public crisis.
Nurses have been subject to a hiring freeze recently. Maybe we're saving at the wrong end.
Saskatchewan is expected to come up with similar enhanced pay for doctors,.
t's "outrageous" that Alberta doctors should be negotiating extra fees for treating H1N1 flu patients during a pandemic, says the president of the Canadian Federation of Nurses.
Linda Silas said she was "stunned" to hear doctors have negotiated a special payment rate as high as $518 an hour, in the event the Alberta government is forced to declare a public health emergency over the flu pandemic. Alberta nurses, who are salaried employees of the health system, will not be offered enhanced payment.
Silas, whose organization represents 158,000 nurses in every province except Quebec, called the plan "utter nonsense."
"It's total craziness. I'm surprised the government and the (Alberta Medical Association) would stoop so low in negotiating an outrageous rate in case of a public crisis.
"Yes, nurses are under contract; well, so are doctors. None of them work for free. When we are talking about a public crisis that may happen, we think it's ridiculous."
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at 07:00 on August 23rd, 2009
Why not Sara? They negotiated this and its was granted.
Maybe, the Nurses could negotiate a similar deal for them self. I am certain though that some strings are attached to this deal and may include such closes as giving up the refusal right to work in such a crisis.
I am not familiar with the details here nor why it was granted or even asked for. Wish I think would be interesting to know.
at 08:24 on August 23rd, 2009
Well, Many professions get risk pay though.
And being a Health care worker is no longer what it used to be once either. Most become Doctors because of the prestige and the money not because they feel devoted to give their lives to help mankind.
That was Mother Teresa and last centuries philosophy, today it seems to be all about profits and this especially in the Western World.
It is simple, Doctors and Nurses as well as others will take what ever they can get
and milk the Tax cow cow until it is dry . Or kicks them.
The little man sweeping the streets will have to pay for it all and wound get any thing in return either. Most likely that little Man sweeping the streets will get kicked out once he dares ask for help him self....
Health care just got a little more expensive in Canada. I looked up some statistics and Canada is one of the world best paying nations when it comes to Health care professionals and teachers.
at 08:51 on August 23rd, 2009
good post................wonder if mla's ., police, teachers, busdrivers etc..who also face increase risk in the case of a pandemic will get enhanced pay...what is good for one..should be good for others
at 08:54 on August 23rd, 2009
I don't know what a doctor is worth these days, but $518 and hour to compensate him/her for being away from his office/staff seems a bit steep.
I find this particularly annonying since we hired an Australian to revamp our health care system and look for savings. Before they come out with contracts like this, I think we should see a pandemic budget and how they propose to allocate funds.
I just don't trust the Alberta government to do the right thing.
at 13:15 on August 23rd, 2009
Some excellent points raised here. It could go on and on with practically everyone saying that they are especially at risk. This looks like a bad precedent.
at 16:19 on August 23rd, 2009
Guess the Nurses are in the wrong Union@! HA
at 16:50 on August 23rd, 2009
Barry... "wrong Union!" don't you mean the nurses are in the "wrong bed!"
at 15:16 on September 12th, 2009
Re: "No flu pay for nurses;Doctors could earn as much as$518 per hour in a public emergency," The Journal, Aug. 21, and "Docs' flu pay 'outrageous'; National nurses union condemns Alberta deal," Aug. 22.Once again the "outrageous" pay that doctors make is splashed across the front pages of The Journal. Two days in a row no less!I take issue with being accused of "stooping so low in case of a public crisis." Linda Silas, the president of the Canadian Federation of Nurses, has missed the point that was clearly stated by Dr. Noel Grisdale the head of the Alberta Medical Association.Doctors are not negotiating "extra payments" behind the scenes or trying to take advantage of a public crisis, as implied by the "stunned" Silas. In fact, most physicians probably first heard about this through the news. Silas herself even states that this was not discussed at a national CMA meeting she attended.I first heard about it after being up 36 hours straight when a nurse came cheerily up to me to tell me how I'm going to be "making thousands, but not the nurses." Doctors are not "under contract" and the vast majority of us are self-employed. We are also not unionized and we do not strike. The doctor's office you visit is paid for by the physician. And everything in it: the office nurse, the secretary, the office space and the supplies. Not by Alberta Health or anyone else. It is a fixed expense. So if we are called in to work in the hospital in the event of a swine flu crisis (which we will do without hesitation, despite the risks), who do you think pays for the office that is now empty?This is a negotiated salary to pay physicians who have been pulled away from their offices where the overhead costs on average 30 to 40 per cent. So yes, $518 per hour (after hours only, mind you) is a big salary in absolute terms but of that, a physician will see $310 per hour for a graveyard shift and $156 per hour during daylight hours after they have paid for their offices. Let's put that into perspective. Most physicians have at least 12 years of post high school education. I am now on my 15th year with two more to go. Most physicians have accumulated huge debts to pay for their education (the average is well over $100,000 probably nearing $200,000). Yet Silas and most of the general public seem to feel that that is outrageous. I have had several people come up to me already saying how I'm going to be "making thousands." I know people on the oil rigs who make more money per hour than what has been negotiated for doctors and they certainly don't have the debt. I'm just curious how much Silas pays her hairdresser on an hourly basis. Let's not even mention lawyers or CEOs. And don't even consider professional sports players, with their multimillion-dollar contracts to play half a year. They certainly don't get as much front page attention as we do.I certainly did not go into medicine for the money. As I approach my 40th birthday still carrying a huge student loan debt, I have a really hard time swallowing such naive comments as those of Silas. I applaud the AMA for trying to avert a public crisis and its continued efforts to deal with overwhelming overhead expenses that we, as self-employed physicians, face.Dr. Adrien Rouget, Edmonton