American capitalism gone with a whimper, Pravda editorial uproar

While you make some points that I can agree with, your post shows a bias in idealogy in favor of communism. It seems to me to be an extreme stretch to make the allegation that American's blame communism for the fall of captilism.  In fact, this is the first time that I have seen anybody anywhere make that leap of logic.  As an American born citizen, I assure you that no common American believes the situation we find ourselves in is the result of communism.

Capitalism is taking a pounding because the government tampered with it. Bill Clinton mandated that housing be affordable to everyone and that drove housing prices up and when a blip in the economy occurred, those persons with the most vulnerable economic position were unable to pay their mortgages.  When those homes hit the market, they drove down housing prices and the ripple became a wave and then a tsunami. At the same time, the Federal Reserve set interest rates very low, encouraging borrowing.  Again, with consumer carrying high amounts of debts, when the ripple in the economy hit the debt saddled consumers began defaulting and filing bankruptcy resulting in a wave that turned into a tsunami of bank failures.  Credit dried up and nobody could by any thing, like cars on credit. Which was the main cause of the failure of the car companies, though the car companies'  failure to provide vehicles that the country wanted also contributed.  At the same time, politicians only thinking of reelection and not the wellbeing of the country kept spending money and raising taxes.  The ripple in the economy has resulted in Moodys downgrading all the municipal bonds of the country (debt of all the cities, counties, school districts, airports, port authorities etc) as a class because people can't afford to pay the increased taxes, the value of the property upon which the tax is based is declining and the politicians keep on spending.

And when it is all said in done, the fault for the failure of capitalism is the American voter who allowed the 2 major political parties to manipualte them into voting for them. Perhaps one of the Founding Fathers, Benjamin Franklin, said it best:

"When the people find they can vote themselves money,
that will herald the end of the republic."

That is not to say that you do not make some valid points about the unethicial, amoral trespasses of the American Industrial complex.  However, the military industrial complex is only able to get away with their bad behaviors because of the seduction of the American voter by the lying politicians and the American Citizenries' failure to perform their civic duty to hold the politicians accountable.  According to the US Constitution and Bill of Rights of the Republic of the United States, the American Citizens individually and jointly are suppose to be the Sovereigns of the country and the politicians are supposed to be our servants.

There is a vast movement in the United States to regain our lost liberties and rights and reassert the position of the citizens being the Sovereigns.

Respectfully,

Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot

Hello djermano:

Interesting perspective, premise and reasoning... Also interesting persuasive technique.

If I understand correctly, your argument is that democracy is inherently bad because of what has transpired in our economy - eg the excesses of the military/industrial complex and the corruption of the politcians. Please correct me if i misunderstand your argument. However, on the presumption that I understand your argument, I will continue.

First, American is not a democracy, it is a Representive Republic with Sovereignty vested in the hands of each individual citizen ( Wikipedia.com - Sovereign Citizens) and each citizen having inallienable rights.  Though the politicians and bureaucrats have blurred the lines, we are still a representative republic per our constitution, not a democracy.

Next corruption, exists in all forms of government including, democracy, republic, communism and dictatorships.  The difference being that in our republic we are suppose to have free speech to criticise the government.  And we have the vote to remove the corrupt government.

Here I will assert that it is not our form of government nor the military-industrial complex that caused the economic collapse, but rather the failure of the citizens to perform their civic duty and keep the politicians in check.  In communist countries, men with guns pay visits to the voices of political dissent on a regular basis (in the usa it is on a much less regular basis)  Instead our government decieves and seduces us with distractions and "spectacles".

Under communism, the voice of political dissent comes home and says I am going to shut up because I do not want the government to retaliate economically or by sending the men with guns to my house. 

In the USA, it use to be enought that the government provided distractions to the population to prevent the voice of political dissent from speaking.  The voice of political dissent comes home from work, grabs a beer, has supper, starts watching TV and bedtime has come before the dissenter can take to the streets.  Now, the government and militiary/industrial complex have conspired to reduce wages to the point where both husband and wife must work leaving no free time nor energy to engage in political dissent. PLEASE NOTE : the internet (and to some extent PEG TV) is changing this.

But again, because we are a representative republic with the right of Sovereign Citizens to vote, the fault still falls upon the citizenry because we have the civic duty and obligation to vote out politicians that breach our public trust. The citizens got complacent and lazy and let the erosion of liberties occur slowly over time.  Now the politicians have gotten so arrogant that they no longer feel they have to answer to the citizens. I personally am being retaliated against economically for voicing my political dissent, for simply excercising my rights to free speech.

In communism, suppression of political dissent is overt.  In the USA there is not supposed to be suppression of political dissent (aka free speech, free press, freedom of association aka 1st amendment) and there for suppression of political dissent is more covert [Though sometimes it rises to overt acts of oppression like the kent State Massecre (Read stuff by Frank Donner and Ward Churchill on the for more info)]

Regardless of government type, the goal of a country's military-industrial complex is to aquire wealth.  Only Sovereigns can keep the military industrial complex in check.  Under communism that is the Central Committee or its equivilent.  The former Soviet Union fell because of the excesses and failures of its military industrial complex and the failure of the Central Committee to control those excesses.  Thus weakened, the stress put upon the Former Soviet Union by US President Ronald Reagan's increased spending on our military budget, finally toppled the weakened giant.  Again, it was the failure of the Sovereigns in the Communist Former Soviet Union to quash the corruption and properly manage the military-industrial complex, that led to its fall.

And so my freind, I unfortunately find your argument that our government that you mislabeled a Democracy is inferior to Communism because of our current state of economic collapse and overwhelming government corruption, non-sequitar and, therefore invalid. The USA may be down, but it is not out yet.  I am not the only Sovereign Citizen Patriot fighting to wrest control of the country from the corrupt politicians and renegade military-industrial complex.

I appreciated our dialogue.  I look forward to your reply.

On another note, I like your investigation into stock market manipulations that might indicate certain persons had fore-knowledge of 911. Please keep me advised if you can make that allegation stick.  That it a huge deal to me.  i would love to be able to stick that evidence in to the appropriate politicians face. I am angry that obama has petitioned the Justice Department to not presecute the Saudi royalty for complicity in 911. Something stinks there.

Have a great day.

Respectfully Submitted.

Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot

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