Bad Government: ATF Case Study

by YankeeJim | February 3, 2011 at 05:48 am
336 views | 2 Recommendations | 10 comments

Photos

Senator Grassley

Senator Grassley

see larger image

uploaded by YankeeJim

Bad Government: Gun regulation and misadministration

Here is a story from FoxNews about Senator Grassley calling the ATF to come to his office and explain what they are doing permitting the sale and distribution of assault weapons for shipment into Mexico. Presumably, it doesn’t seem right that 1) ATF would do anything but stop the sale of illegal firearms, and 2) halt shipment of weapons to Mexico where presumably they will end up in bad hands.

The fact that 1) a US Senator has to supervise the Executive managed branch of government, 2) our government has no apparent common sense in any branch of government, and that 3) we are spending precious resources doing anything but keeping guns from criminals is mind boggling.

Senator Calls ATF on Allegations Agency Is Allowing Guns Into Mexico

By Maxim Lott

Published February 02, 2011

FoxNews.com

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms -- the agency tasked with keeping U.S. guns from being smuggled to Mexico -- has come under fire for allegedly allowing firearms to cross the border into Mexico. 

Last Friday, Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) sent a letter to the ATF stating that his office had "received numerous allegations that the ATF sanctioned the sale of hundreds of assault weapons to suspected straw purchasers, who then allegedly transported these weapons throughout the Southwest border area and into Mexico."

Grassley asked for ATF officials to meet with his staff to discuss the matter, noting that "there are serious concerns that the ATF may have become careless, if not negligent, in implementing the Gunrunner strategy." Gunrunner is the name of the ATF operation to keep guns from entering Mexico.

On Monday, a concerned Grassley sent a follow-up letter, writing that while ATF had not yet responded to his request for a meeting, one of the whistleblowers that Grassley's office had been dealing with -- a current ATF employee -- was "allegedly accused... of misconduct" by his boss for talking with Senate staffers.

ATF spokeswoman Janice Kemp referred questions from FoxNews.com to spokesmen Drew Wade and Scot Thomasson, who did not respond to calls or e-mails from FoxNews.com on Tuesday morning.

But a former ATF agent told FoxNews.com on condition of anonymity that ATF Headquarters allowed guns to cross the border, for the reason that ATF wanted to glean more intelligence about who would come to possess the guns and what regions of the country they would end up in.

Additionally, Dick Deguerin, attorney for a Texas gun store named "Carter Country," told Fox26 Houston that the ATF asked the store to sell the guns to even those they thought were going to smuggle them to Mexico -- so that ATF could track where the guns went.

"They were told to go through with sales of three or more assault rifles at the same time... They went through with the sales because the ATF told them to go through with the sales," Deguerin said, adding that the store reported all suspicious sales to the ATF.

Federal investigators are known to use such techniques in drug trafficking investigations.

"Controlled delivery is an investigative technique that allows specific consignments of illegal drugs or other controlled substances to pass through the territory of one or more states with the objective of identifying not only the street dealers, but the individuals controlling the drug trade network," a State Department website notes.

However, the ATF has not admitted to using that technique for gun trafficking investigations. While ATF did not respond to requests for comment from FoxNews.com, Mexican newspaper El Diario El Paso reported last week that ATF spokesman Scot Thomasson told them, "we do not permit the exit of arms to Mexico."

Grassley's first letter to the ATF hinted at the potential problems with allowing firearms to cross borders, writing that two of the weapons that the ATF allegedly sanctioned to be sold to straw purchasers were sold to Mexican gangs and "were then allegedly used in a firefight on December 14, 2010, against Customs and Border Protection agents, killing CBP Agent Brian Terry."

Gun rights bloggers have speculated that the reason for allowing the guns into Mexico was to pad statistics on the number of guns crossing the border -- the suspicion being that a higher number would make the ATF's mission in preventing the guns from crossing seem all the more urgent.
The former ATF agent who spoke with FoxNews.com said that he had no reason to think that padding the statistics was a motivation.

FoxNews.com previously reported that an often-quoted statistic that 90 percent of guns used in Mexico crimes came from the U.S. was, in fact, a myth. Only 17 percent of guns found at Mexican crime scenes have actually been traced to the U.S.

None of the claims about the ATF allowing guns to cross the border have been conclusively proved. But Sen. Grassley has called for the ATF to be more transparent to allow the truth to come out.

"This is exactly the wrong sort of reaction for the ATF," Grassley's second letter reads.
"Rather than focusing on retaliating against whistleblowers, the ATF's sole focus should be on finding and disclosing the truth as soon as possible."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/...s-mexico/#ixzz1Cu24xVlZ

Advertisement
recommend Sign In or Join to post comments
1
trans-parere

With so much pertinent information missing from the report it is difficult to give any value to what the whistle blower was "whistling". Was it wrong doing or operational technique? I don't see anything wrong with allowing some "known" weapons to cross the border to trace their journey to locations and buyers. If that's the case?

0
YankeeJim

I agree that clandestine operations may sometimes employ such techniques, however, I think there is no lack of information about who are buying guns in Mexico. We are drowning in that information. 

1
"thirty-aught-six"

Knowing Mexican drug cartels are the maim purchasers doesn't narrow it down much. Tracing  known weapons to a location and a specific buyer is definitive. I think that was trans-parere's point. The ATF can not arrest a cartel for illegal weapons purchases but, they can thin the ranks by apprehending individuals caught in the act and disrupt pipelines as they discover them. I agree that it is difficult to say whether the whistleblower has a valid complaint or is just a disgruntled ex-employee who was caught leaking operational planning.

0
YankeeJim

I accept his point and your underscore, and I don't think the significance here is a whistle blower. The issue is how we allocate our scarce Federal dollars and apply it for highest return on cost. This is not a good example.

1
"thirty-aught-six"

Which higher return for your dollar? The ATF's or Sen. Grassley's? Grassley states he wants a word with the ATF based on the whitleblowers complaint. If the whistleblower holds no significance then the ATF should be left to get on with the job. Or have Obama redefine the job according to your vision of highest return on the dollar. Whatever that might mean relevant to the ATF policing cross border arms purchases and interrupting the flow of American arms to the Mexican drug cartels. I'm sure the Mexican Cartels will appreciate your efforts in decreasing the funding to that end. I'm not sure how Obama's relationship with the Mexican government during this time will hold up with your demand to redirect our scarce federal dollars elsewhere. Especially since it was the Mexican governments public call for tighter scrutiny on cross border arms trade that led Obama to initiate the crackdown giving the job to the ATF as a Federal Police Agency and an arm of the Justice Dept..

Operation Gunrunner: "ATF is deploying its resources strategically on the Southwest Border to deny firearms, the “tools of the trade,” to criminal organizations in Mexico and along the border, and to combat firearms-related violence affecting communities on both sides of the border. In partnership with other U.S. agencies and with the Government of Mexico, ATF refined its Southwest Border strategy. ATF developed Project Gunrunner to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico and thereby deprive the narcotics cartels of weapons. The initiative seeks to focus ATF’s investigative, intelligence and training resources to suppress the firearms trafficking to Mexico and stem the firearms-related violence on both sides of the border. Firearms tracing, in particular the expansion of the eTrace firearms tracing system, is a critical component of Project Gunrunner in Mexico."

0
YankeeJim

I would opt to have Senator Grassley stay out of it. I question ATF's judgment and effectiveness as it is on the basis of their past performance that the drug war is lost(not to mention perpetually bad strategy). The priority should be border protection and preventing the export of guns and ammo to Mexico.

1
"thirty-aught-six"

Border protection is the sphere of  US Customs and Border Security under the Dept. of Homeland Security. ATF's Operation Gunrunner is to address the issue of the illegal exportation of weapons into Mexico. Let's give it an opportunity before we castigate the ATF and blame them as you seemingly are for the loosing battle against the ever increasing demand for drugs on American streets.  Which by the way is the purview of the DEA. Not the ATF.  

0
YankeeJim

Fair enough.

1
The 1

Interesting parlay of comments on this issue. I might add that this issue may also point to a discussion of the importance of having guns, especially guns such as these being mentioned for sale to the general public at all. This issue of "trying to keep guns out of the hands of these drug smugglers in Mexico," is like trying to keep drugs out of the hands of addicts in America.

YJ mentioning..

"I question ATF's judgment and effectiveness as it is on the basis of their past performance that the drug war is lost (not to mention perpetually bad strategy)."

and also stating;

"The issue is how we allocate our scarce Federal dollars and apply it for highest return on cost."

I would agree with both YJ assessments.

0
YankeeJim

Thanks for registering your thoughts.

What is NowPublic?

NowPublic lets people work together to cover news events around the world.

Find out more

Crowd Power

The 1
First Flagged at 2:45 AM, Feb 4, 2011 by The 1
These members have powered this story:

Related Stories

Recommendations (2)

Most recently recommended by:
 

closeSign in to NowPublic

is reporting from