The best business in the Philippines is no business?

by Babel-Fish | July 10, 2009 at 07:20 pm
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I presently live in a country that is very proud of its hospitality, the Philippines explains it self as a paradise for people to retire to. However the amount of money one needs to actually spend to achieve retirement and to be nationalized makes it very hard for most people on a western country state pension.

 

I have stayed here as a tourist for 9 years, my source of income is a British military pension. I do not wish to marry to get a chance of dual nationality or residency. But I love this country as its economy suites my meager income. I can not buy land or own a property in my name, something I would love to do.

 

It pains me that a Filipino can buy land and own property in my home land, in fact its much easier for them to apply for nationality than I can here in the Philippines. Even if I was married it takes 6 to 11 years as a resident to apply for duel nationality. Then I have to prove I sent children to school, absolutely crazy.  However one can always bribe, that makes my blood boil, the times I have been asked to bribe the immigration services. Such as "I meet you at the airport and stamp your passport that you are married, with your Filipino partner on entry to the Philippines". "Only 20,000 pesos sir".    That of course is big business for some of the very corrupt Immigration officials. However I prefer not to bribe and hate such corruption.

I can not own a business without having to start a large one or having Filipino partners and this type of business normally end up with ideas copied and the foreigner being dumped.

The simple truth ex-businessmen like me with vast experience of good business experience and ability, are halted from day one.  In helping out a very bad third world economy due to restriction imposed by the elite and political clans. Their families want to run the big business sector in the Philippines. Its only the international companies and the large cooperates, that can pay the bung money that can get them through the door.

With out changes to the laws and a more futuristic and logic approach, the Philippines is going to remain 50 years behind its competitors in Asia. This also means that poverty will continue to rise, the laid back status quo will never be able to be changed.  That most young Filipino citizens, will always feel, they have no real chance of improving their lives to get a decent job, Talking to the youth here I have gathered that factor depresses them the most. That their only opportunity seen by them is to work overseas.

I am after main years of seeing foreigners fail, in trying to start businesses here, I have to agree with the following saying gleaned  from other ex-pats stating here in the Philippines

 “The best business in the Philippines is no business”     

However I love this country for all its faults and know the honest Filipino’s out weigh the dishonest Filipino’s by a very large percentage. For me its just a case of live and let live and just point out the problems by writing articles in the hope that once in a while someone that can help make the necessary changes will read what I write.

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Uwe Paschen

This is a good post Babel-Fish. 

I think that most countries such as the Philippines had to put those restrictions in place or the local would be pushed out in no time by wealth from rich investors and people that want to buy a cheeper house in the tropics and retire. 

The problem is real and not quiet the same in the UK, since it is a rather small group of Philippines that could afford to buy any thing in the UK or even become Citizen, since the regulations for Citizen ship are equally demanding only on a different level and in another playing field.

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Babel-Fish

Thanks. 

That is the excuse, but land can be bought in a Filipino's name and many guys do just that. The problem is easy solved by a limit placed on the quantity of land that a foreigner can buy in his or her name. In fact there is a plan to put a law through to allow for just that, but the feet are dragging.

We in the west do not complain to much when Arab's and Japanese buy land and property in our own countries and they do own loads of land.. These rules are out dated as with the normal excuse nobody is going to buy up Hugh amount of land here in the Philippines. Many of those that have under a Filipino partnership have developed and created jobs and new employment and that is what is needed here as its not often that the rich Filipino businessmen invest in such away in their country. 

There is a new visa for foreigner's that employ more than 10 or more Filipino's in a new business venture. But starting a small business with so many employees is a gamble that most foreigners living here would not want to gamble on. The fact one can not own land also puts the dampers on.  Its seems that yes the government want us to invest here but one needs to be very rich and the investment is to much of a gamble and of course the need to bribe to achieve the aim and setting up the business.

Corruption stops many of the international companies from investing much here, with out bribing one would never get to base one. 

 

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truthcaster

Corruption exist everywhere. In rich and poor countries alike and in both the educated and the uneducated, powerful and powerless. The excuses vary from economic need, common in poor countries, to just plain old greed, mostly in rich countries.

Some foreigners judge and look down at the country they live in currently and assign blame, forgetting the past histories of their own countries. For these foreigners, it's probably better if they leave and go back to their own countries, instead of griping and complaining of every little quirk they're not accustomed to. For the others who appreciate the change, welcome. Enjoy your stay.

Maybe it's for the better that you don't start a business.

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Babel-Fish

Corruption is more open here and people are very blatant about it.  Some foreigners also see that Filipino's deserve better governance and less corruption, however this problem does not effect them as they can live well in a hell and paradise.

Yes other countries are corrupt but the level starts higher within the political circles, here its at every level and very apparent even the police and the legal system is rampant with corruption. But does it worry most foreigners of course not the pay to be here and enjoy what they can and many get linked into the culture and become much more hospitable than the natives as they can afford too.

Its also nice to see those that try to make things much better for the people around them and those that give without expecting anything back to those that really need help.

I must add some Filipino's look down on all foreigners as they think all foreigners are the same as the dregs of our societies that come here hoaring. There is also a thing that most good businesses do and that's welcome complaints as this means they can see where the business is going wrong,. ie,. criticism is in fact useful for improvement. As foreigners pay to be here (Visa's). The advertising states how wonderful the place is, I ask why should we cut our visits short due to seeing the many problems here, why shouldn't we be critical when some one tries to fiddle us or we recieve bad services and people are rude. We actually do that in our own countries too.

By moaning about the things that stop foreigners investing here and there are many reasons they don't surely this is a way forward in the aim of effect the thinking of Filipino's and maybe such gripes will be heard at a higher level. The fact that someone like me wishes to start a business to employ people to improve their lives and not make a profit out of it should not be frowned on. In fact I all ready do this through my partner and have started many micro business that I do not receive a bean back. Its actual the Filipino's that need to accept change the old status quo keeps the country behind the rest of the world by about 50 years or so.

However thankful there are those normally well educated Filipino's that are pushing forward to modernize the country. Its normally those that have worked abroad in the west and seen the big difference in attitude and learned the profit of hard work and real effort.

If the Philippines wants tourism and decent people to come here it want to rid it self of the sex trade and the girly bars. It needs to learn to cater properly for its western visitors till thats done your country will be filled with the sex holiday crowd. They certainly don't want to go home and will complain even though to them the Philippines is a candy shop.

To me its not a real worry I can lead a very nice life here and I do as I have taken on much of the culture as my partners took on much of mine. I have many more Filipino friends than I do foriegners.

By the way these little quirks to some foreigners are big problems, Such as very very loud music with the base turned up high playing well after midnight. Vehicles passing there house   with very loud music in the early hours of the morning. Smoke drifting into their houses. We of course should not mention the cockerels crowing or the badly maltreated dogs on the street. Then the bad services that many business seem to think is norm (this actual make my partner annoyed more than me now days). Plus of course the no rules, I want to get there first and Kamikarsi coach drives on the roads of the Philippines. lol Then the salesmen that will not wait to you get out of a vehicle and get orientated and stick their wares under ones nose. Then there are those interesting moments in the Market place where a trades man thinks he can charge you twice or three times as much as a local. because of the dollar sign on your forehead that all white guys seem to have. lol 

I am not complaining as I have got very use to all the irritants and always expect the worst before it happens and its my partner that does all the complaining as I am more laid back than her. I also get charged the right prices in the market places mostly, as I have a good idea of the correct price and am well known as not being like most other foreigners. .

Now most of this I have got over and is not so noticeable as its the normal way of life here in the Philippines and the most of the natives do not like to complain or embarrassed the offenders. I just joke quietly and move on.

Most Filipino hate to see their country criticized by outsider's however within their own conversations they are very critical and most want to go overseas to seek an improvement to their lifes. Poverty is a trap that has many problems and many wish to take any path out even an illegal one can look promising especially seeing the corrupt doing so well. This country needs investors and its still hard for foreigners with genuine intentions to invest here. 

At present I have no intention to start a business in my name, i found a way around that problem and I really do not intend to make money for myself. However most foreigners would want a pay back on their investment and full control of what they invest in. I have personally seen many a foreigner lose a great deal of their savings by trusting a Filipino partner they have lost houses farms and property and of course thriving businesses. If land and business where in their names they would not of had to much of a problem. This is a big factor too why foreigners do not want to take the gamble of investing here and creating businesses and employment.  

Some foreigners have the right to bitch those that have invested and lost due to corruption and crime.


 

 


   




 

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truthcaster

@Babelfish

Care to provide verifiable data to your claims that corruption if open and blatant in the Philippines? Or is that the effects of beer in your system 24/7. I'm sure you Filipino "friends" will be really happy to know what you're saying about their country.

I think you're full of it.


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Babel-Fish

I find your personal insult very sad and completely out of order concerning the code of conduct and rules for using this news group. I tell the truth as I see it and at this moment it would seem you knowledge of the Philippines is limited concerning the corrupt practices here. It is easy for me to provide proof and you can too if you so wished by googling "Corruption in the Philippines" 

You have personal insulted me due to the fact it would seem that I am telling the truth about your country that I know so well. It is rude to attack the messenger and not the message and the fact you have means its possible that you can not attack the truth and wish the truth to be hidden by attacking my credibility. People that read your rude comment will easily see that is true. 


If you can not debate the subject matter of the article please refrain from commenting full stop. As its you showing your true colors and its your own character that is in question.

Some proof can be found in the following links.

http://report.globalintegrity.org/ http://www.transparency.org/news_room/in_focus/2008/cpi2008/cpi_2008_table

Any more character assignation will be reported to the administration so please behave and comment decently  

My Filipino friends are in fact very aware what I say and think about the Philippines and all wish to stop the corruption and all want better governance. The truth may hurt but the truth should be told and the Filipino citizen deserve a much better deal than they have right now. Its people like me that bring awareness to that factor and do not offer propaganda.  

As for drinking beer, yes I do at social occasions only the rest of my time is spent on writing and my art. I am also very polite and have very good manners its inbreed and part of my culture to be so. I am sure you your self have had training by your parents on manners and politeness I suggest you follow that good avenue and path your parents placed you on.

Can I please have an apology, I am sure all the good souls reading this that an apology is due especial that I am old and the old should be respected by decent Filipino's.

I believe I quoted that most Filipino's are honest and here is the last paragraph of the article

However I love this country for all its faults and know the honest Filipino’s out weigh the dishonest Filipino’s by a very large percentage. For me its just a case of live and let live and just point out the problems by writing articles in the hope that once in a while someone that can help make the necessary changes will read what I write.

 

 Why did you attack my character? I am on the Filipino citizen side they too wish to get rid of corruption and you wish me to hide such factors away? Be honest now there is corruption here in the Philippines and its very apparent unfortunatly.           


   

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truthcaster

You're making sweeping statements that dishonor the country and the people where you now enjoy your senior years. You said corruption in the Philippines is open and blatant. If it's so open, you shouldn't have a problem gathering proof, correct? And because you claim to be an investigative journalist, you should know how to collect such evidence and how to present it.

I think you google information then claim that you've witness whatever it is you're reporting.

Another thing, if it's true that you "love" the Philippines, there are better ways of exposing whatever you think is wrong with it than writing it on NowPublic and not even man enough you own up to it and put down your real name and location. Before you claim that I'm after you, know that real journalist do it all the time.

Support your statements or just shut up. I've sent a link of your post to the City of Dumaguete to make them aware of what you're saying about them behind their back. I'm sure they'll be happy to know their in their city, open and blatant corruption abounds according to you.

Go ahead, report me to the administrator.

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Babel-Fish

No I am telling the truth and that's why it annoys you. Personal attacks are unwarranted as with threats. Much of my writing is already link to Dumaguete City and there are many sites here mine included that have my articles published.

Once again you are showing you true colors its your character in jeopardy here and certainly not mine, please behave and do not break the conditions of writing, commenting on this news group.

Best place to put the links to my articles

Dumagueteinfo.com

http://www.dumaguetecity.com/

All links are welcome


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truthcaster

where's your evidence and proof to make you believable when you declare that in the Philippines, corruption is open and blatant? and don't point me to google.

you are a poseur at best. put up or shut up.

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158

Thanks.  An informative and enjoyable article

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Babel-Fish

your welcome 158

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geronimo_carreon

It seems you've been affected by the sentiments of your partner in the Philippines.


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Babel-Fish

No that's not actually true my sentiments have come from many sources, I was born with an analytic mind of which some times can be a curse as I can be over inquisitive. I have studied the culture's within the Filipino society and even the history and customs and law. I read the newspapers, listen to the news and question and talk to my Filipino friends.

I have learned from my mistakes and corrected my assumptions. My partner was actually surprised at my understanding of her culture when we first met.   I have wrote a lot about the Philippines and debate many an issue here in the land I have adopted. Most of my sentiments are my own and honed over the nine years I have lived here. That does not say I know everything, as I learn something new everyday. But I would say my knowledge of the Philippines is very extensive and not many foreigners that live here are as clued up as I am many do not know one word of the local tongue or have a clue about the culture. 

But if you want to write as a citizen journalist about the country you live in, you must know what your writing about or you have no credibility. That also concerns debating about the problems with Filipino's.  

       

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Mason Davis

First off I just want to say what a great informative speech lol as for the childish person pointing the finger at you, please grow up this world has enough rude, evil people living in it we don't need anymore. I too have Philipino friends here in Thailand and they constantly tell me about the corruption they have back home, however I'm going to visit by next month, I just had a quick question do you think that starting a club business would be beneficial? like a disco in the Philipines.


-Mase

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Mike Abundo

I have many non-Filipino friends running successful businesses in the Philippines. They're an extremely hardy lot, and I admire them for it. Philippine entrepreneurship is a tough nut to crack, especially in such a clannish and oligarchic culture.

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Adam D

Truthcaster has no idea what he is talking about.  The philippines is notoriously one of the most corrupt nation in every branch of the government. I lived in Manila with my friend (dual US and RP citizen) for 3 months. We got pulled over and the police asked for 100 peso because they said they were hungry. At his university (La Salle - Benilde) a korean student was caught with cocaine and there was a huge controversy because the judge took a massive bribe and the student was let off the hook.  I wonder if truthcaster has even been to the Philippines and witnessed this corruption first hand.  You dont have to look far to see it and only an idiot can miss it.  Many large corporations DO NOT invest in the Philippines because of the high cost of electricity and CORRUPTION.

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Adam D

Also Truthcaster, almsot every Philippines citizen will tell you straight to YOUR FACE that CORRUPTION is OPE NAND BLATANT in there country and they are tired of it. Ask any taxi driver, they will tell you they do not trust the government. Just look at the countries history.  It seems to me like your just a liberal wanting to stick up for a cause you know nothing off. Babel-fish lived there for 9 years take his word. Im 23 and have been there twice already, last time I was there a filipina told me she didnt think Manny Pacquio was going to beat Hatton because she thought he would take a dive to make more money,its the filipino way I have many filipino friends and my friends tita owns two restaurants in makati so thats the way things are and will be there. 

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Mason Davis

I think we all agree truthcaster is a dumbass lol

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j .brusola

It's a brilliant idea Babelfish that though your not originally from the Philippines, you do express your ideas and concern about the place, especially that you've written it in hope to get the present situation any better.One thing that every Filipino citizen does anyway and every Filipino should really do. In fact that's one of those "moan" I can call it of which a number of us normally do probably all the time. I wonder if it's one of those Filipinoness that you have adapted all these  years since you lived there?.I like that line- you love the place with all it's faults.It's a shame Philippines is not perfect , but no country is anyway.

It doesn't matter where you're from, or whatever nationality status you have.The Philippines welcomes anyone who loves her for all good intentions.

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Dan Danao

Truth hurts.But corruption existed at the time man lived on this earth. Let us just hope our leaders will moderate their greed and hope and still dream Philippines will   better off one day. If people will just emulate the simple lifestyle and leadership of Cory Aquino and coupled with discipline like what Lee kuan Yew did in Singapore.

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Jash Lucky

truthcaster - you sound too defensive. That is  the main problem with us Filipino. We become indifferent , complacent  to corruption. It is a sad  fact of life  and Babel - fish is just telling the truth  . +sometimes it takes an outsider to say it to help us open our eyes  and mind.Our is reach with natural resource but we can't seem to rise up above the poverty level . we do need change top to bottom but corruption is like cancer  it seems hard to cure or incurable .

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Jash Lucky

correction from previous comments-  " our is reach" -  i really tried to state that  our country is rich with natural resources .

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Jash Lucky

correction to previous comment - " our is reach with natural resource " - really  tried to say that  our country is  really rich in natural resources.

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Flower Horn

Just hope that political leaders here in the Philippines can read this discussions. Hay! Mahal kong Pilipinas wala na yatang pag-asang maka alpas sa mga corrupt na tao...

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Doing Business in the Philippines

Unfortunately, there is much corruption in the Philippines and its not only the foreigners who are approached. There are many restrictions on the kinds businesses foreigners may own and the percentage of ownership. Using a Filipino nominee is risky and illegal either because the Nominee could just take everything or the anti-dummy law could be used to confiscate the business.The business restrictions as well as the land ownership by foreigners will not change in the near future as the rich Filipinos do not want more competitors. They are not worried about their poor country being their competitor.

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Philippine Law office

www.bcphilippineslawyers.com/doing-business-in-the-philippines/602/ Doing Business in the Philippines

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