The National Black Republican Association purchased 50 billboard spots around the Denver metro area to “welcome Senator Barack Obama to the Democratic National Convention.”
The billboards feature the image of Dr. Martin Luther King and a message that reads as follows:
BigT, as far as I am concerned I am not a Democrat or liberal or Republican/ concervative in or out side of North America, And I would vote for the best People running no matter what party they belong to. I think that the hole party partisan system, may be part of the problem here and prohibit change and progress. Not only in the US, in next to all democracies today. Why we have so many failures in high positions and lack of competent people.
It seems to me like the only other system that doesn't have two parties would be an autocratic one like you would find in Iran, Venezuela, China, Cuba, North Korea, etc. Look, I'm not saying democracy is perfect but compared with everything else we've come up with it is by far the best system.
Besides, I wasn't even talking to you since you aren't a democrat. I'm sure you're fair enough to see that MLK Jr. was a republican and make up your own mind without the constraints of being a hack for your party. I'm sure of it.
Iran has two parties BitT, What I believe is that we need to take the next step in democracy and get away from partisan parties, maybe even change the voting system after some public work shops and a referendum to a system that would promote the best there are to administer the Country rather then some dynasties and good old boys club members.
This not only in the US, Japan, Europe and else-wear as well. Democracy is still the better system, yet even democracy needs to evolve and better it self. And especially learn from its mistakes.
Why should it? Perhaps, it may seem that way to those who have forsworn truth, but not those who embrace it.
Actually, this is rooted back in Reconstruction times, when Republicans championed civil rights. Well, the Republicans championed suffrage for black males. At the same time, whilte males were denied the vote in many cases, based on real or assumed loyalty to the Confederate States of America. As they were spreading voting rights right and left, politicians in neither party managed to include women in the mix.
As more whites regained the right to vote, they flocked to the Democratic Party, and the shameful period of the Jim Crow laws went into effect. Not only did those laws set out laws establishing segregation in public life, they also aimed at disenfranchising black voters.
Democrats such as George Wallace and Strom Thurmond were among those working to keep segregation alive.
Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy" - fathered in part by Democrat-turned-Republican Strom Thurmond - began to turn the tables. Many of the Democrats Martin Luther King, Jr., fought soon took their power and beliefs to a new party and became Repblicans.
First lesson: A member of the democratic party is a "democrat." No, this isn't some Rush Limbaugh conspiracy to demean your great party but is just proper English. Besides, if you think I'm making a swipe at all you democrats in the democratic party then you should also be mad at the democratic party whose website is www.democrats.org.
Second lesson: Strom Thurmond lead a breakaway party with other democrats called the Dixiecrats in 1948. Out of the 17 democrats who joined this party and at some point during their lifetime were democratic senators only Strom Thurmond every changed his party affiliation to being a republican. He became a republican in 1964.
In The End of Southern Exceptionalism, political scientists Richard Johnston of the University of Pennsylvania and Byron Shafer of the University of Wisconsin wrote that the Republicans' gains in the South corresponded to the growth of the upper middle class in that region. This group felt that their economic interests were better served by the Republicans than the Democrats. According to Johnston and Shafer, working-class white voters in the South continued to vote for Democrats until the 1990s. In summary, Shafer told The New York Times, "[whites] voted by their economic preferences, not racial preferences".[5]
Maybe the switch from democrat to republican in the South has something to do with other than the republicans being a bunch of racists. But that probably wouldn't fit into your history lesson you gave to me so you'll probably just ignore this.
Fifth lesson: From 1948 (the year the Dixiecrats formed) until the end of the 1970s one senator switched from republican to democrat, one from democrat to republican, and one from democrat to independent [SOURCE]. Searching the House of representatives wasn't as easy but I found Peter Peyser who switched from democrat to republican during this time, there was an Arizonia representative who switched from democrat to republican for the 1980 election whose name was Robert Stump, and Albert Watson did switch from democrat to republican during this time frame (he was under the tutelage of Strom Thurmond) but that's all I found from looking at the list of every congressman ever. I probably missed some who switched parties but I doubt it was a whole lot more.
So, your contention that there was this exodus of segregationists from the democratic party to the republican party rings hallow. Maybe you're talking about local politicians (don't have the time to look through all the party changes for local politicians from 1948 to 1980) and all I would have to say about that is this: so what? We're talking about local politicians here - these are people who become democrats or republicans based on the political situation in their city.
Sixth lesson: If we're going to call someone a racist based on where they came from (i.e. the South since their region is the only one accused of being really racist) then we need to call President Bill Clinton a racist and how about President Jimmy Carter. They both hail from Southern states and how else could they win an election without playing to the South's racist sensibilities?
Guilt by association doesn't work. Just because the republicans have been winning the South in presidential elections doesn't mean its a party that loves racists and just because the last two democratic presidents hail from the South doesn't mean they're racists. I don't even think it's fair to call the South racist either but since you live in the South, in Texas, you would be in a better position to shine light on that one.
Seventh and last lesson: Last time I checked the democratic party had an Exalted Cyclops as one of their members in Robert Byrd. Not only as a senator but as your party's voted upon leader as both Senate Majority and Minority Leader from 1977 to 1989. Maybe Mr. Byrd didn't get the memo and leave for the "friendlier" republican party but he still did alright. (As a comparison, Strom Thurmond never attained either of those positions.)
If you want to argue about which party has a better record on race the republicans will always win.
Jesus Paschen, dunkelberg, and moonwolf you can't stand it if someone disagrees with you so you have to put him down with cheap playground retorts? That's sad.
No putting down here BitT, I flag the story not for its merit though, more for the comments and the so on. And I came back after the evolution was put in to question, that by it self actually has little to do with the article other then the fact that Evolution is internationally an accepted Scientific base in the same manner then the fact that the Earth is round. You mix two different issues here.
I was talking about BMC's disagreement with you, moonwolf, and dunkelberg about evolution. You put him down because he voiced his belief, right? That's what I was talking about. Instead of just summarily calling him a "flat earther", which is just a scientific slur for anyone you don't agree with, why not try to explain your position to him?
For those who are unfamiliar with black Republicans here is a short refresher:
Notable black conservatives
United States politicians African American Portal
* Ken Blackwell, former Secretary of State of Ohio, former Ohio gubernatorial candidate * Keith Butler, minister, former Detroit councilman, former candidate for U.S. Senate from Michigan * Alveda King, niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, senior fellow at the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution * Rod Paige, former Secretary of Education * Colin Powell, former United States Secretary of State * Michael Powell, former FCC chairman * Condoleezza Rice, United States Secretary of State, former National Security Advisor * Winsome Sears, former member of Virginia House of Delegates, former candidate for U.S. House * Michael S. Steele, former Lieutenant Governor of Maryland, former candidate for U.S. Senate from Maryland * Thomas Stith, town councilman of Durham, NC, former candidate for Lt. Gov. of NC * J.C. Watts, former U.S. Representative from Oklahoma
United States judges
* Wallace Jefferson, chief justice of the Texas Supreme Court * Janice Rogers Brown, U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit * Clarence Thomas, associate justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, former Equal Employment Opportunity Commission chairman
Talk show hosts
* Larry Elder, author of 10 Things You Can't Say in America, radio show host * Alan Keyes, radio host, U.N. Ambassador, presidential candidate, author * Angela McGlowan, Republican political analyst for Fox News Network who has been nicknamed the "Black Ann Coulter" * Jesse Lee Peterson, president of The Brotherhood Organization, television and radio host * Armstrong Williams, author of Beyond Blame, TV host of On Point
Columnists
* Erik Rush, columnist, author * La Shawn Barber, columnist, blogger * Loo Oates, social commentator, columnist, blogger * Stephen L. Carter, Christianity Today columnist, author of The Culture of Disbelief * Ken Hamblin, Denver Post columnist * Deroy Murdock, National Review columnist * Star Parker, president of the Coalition on Urban Renewal and Education, columnist, author * Thomas Sowell, Hoover Institute fellow, economist, author of Basic Economics * Walter E. Williams, economist, columnist, author of More Liberty Means Less Government * Sophia A. Nelson, columnist, blogger, commentator, GOP political strategist, Chairman of PoliticalIntersection.com and politicalintersection.blogspot .com
Athletes and entertainers
* Lionel Hampton, musician and bandleader * Yaphet Kotto, actor * Karl Malone, basketball player, two-time Olympic gold medalist * Joseph C. Phillips, actor, commentator * Lynn Swann, football player, Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate * Jimmie Walker, actor, comedian
Other
* Akindele Akinyemi,CEO of One Network and conservative educator * Calvin Butts, anti-gangsta rap activist * Herman Cain, President of Godfather's Pizza * Ward Connerly, University of California regent, activist and businessman * Ezola Foster, president of Americans for Family Values, author of What's Right For All Americans * Samuel B. Fuller, 20th century entrepreneur * Robert A. George, journalist, pundit and blogger. * Niger Innis, director of Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) * Roy Innis, Hudson Institute fellow, chairman of the Congress of Racial Equality * T.D Jakes, televangelist * Don King, boxing promoter * Michael King, National Advisory Board Member of Project 21, former radio talk show host * John McWhorter, author of Losing the Race and Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute * James Meredith, former civil rights activist * Eric Motley, former State Department official, now vice-president of the Aspen Institute * Deroy Murdock, Wall Street Journal opinion contributor, Cato Institute Scholar * Gerald A. Reynolds, president of the Center for New Black Leadership, member of Project 21 * Vernon Robinson, Air Force intelligence officer, business professor * George Schuyler, journalist, novelist * Shelby Steele, Hoover Institute fellow, author of The Content of Our Character * Stanley Crouch, author of In Defence of Taboos * Lee Walker, president of the New Coalition for Economic and Social Change, Heartland Institute Fellow
I read a lot of what Loo Oates from the www.loooatesreport.com website reports. I don't consider him a conservative even though he is a lifetime Republican who takes his party to task often, plus its plain he is backing Obama this year. Blog--- Big Loo www.bigloo.wordpress.com
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at 07:12 on August 25th, 2008
BMCWrites, I like this story. It's good stuff. Your darn Right!
at 08:15 on August 25th, 2008
The questioned would be, would King still be a Republican today and if not would he there for be a Democrat or some thing else all together?
at 09:28 on August 25th, 2008
BMCWrites, I like this story. It's good stuff.
Truth hurts, doesn't it democrats?
at 09:50 on August 25th, 2008
BigT, as far as I am concerned I am not a Democrat or liberal or Republican/ concervative in or out side of North America, And I would vote for the best People running no matter what party they belong to. I think that the hole party partisan system, may be part of the problem here and prohibit change and progress. Not only in the US, in next to all democracies today. Why we have so many failures in high positions and lack of competent people.
at 17:09 on August 25th, 2008
It seems to me like the only other system that doesn't have two parties would be an autocratic one like you would find in Iran, Venezuela, China, Cuba, North Korea, etc. Look, I'm not saying democracy is perfect but compared with everything else we've come up with it is by far the best system.
Besides, I wasn't even talking to you since you aren't a democrat. I'm sure you're fair enough to see that MLK Jr. was a republican and make up your own mind without the constraints of being a hack for your party. I'm sure of it.
at 17:31 on August 25th, 2008
Iran has two parties BitT, What I believe is that we need to take the next step in democracy and get away from partisan parties, maybe even change the voting system after some public work shops and a referendum to a system that would promote the best there are to administer the Country rather then some dynasties and good old boys club members.
This not only in the US, Japan, Europe and else-wear as well. Democracy is still the better system, yet even democracy needs to evolve and better it self. And especially learn from its mistakes.
at 17:54 on August 25th, 2008
As for Iran I was talking about their Grand Ayatollah. He's basically the leader of the country.
As for your proposals about helping democracy "evolve" - good luck.
at 11:28 on August 25th, 2008
Truth hurts, doesn't it democrats (sic)?
Why should it? Perhaps, it may seem that way to those who have forsworn truth, but not those who embrace it.
Actually, this is rooted back in Reconstruction times, when Republicans championed civil rights. Well, the Republicans championed suffrage for black males. At the same time, whilte males were denied the vote in many cases, based on real or assumed loyalty to the Confederate States of America. As they were spreading voting rights right and left, politicians in neither party managed to include women in the mix.
As more whites regained the right to vote, they flocked to the Democratic Party, and the shameful period of the Jim Crow laws went into effect. Not only did those laws set out laws establishing segregation in public life, they also aimed at disenfranchising black voters.
Democrats such as George Wallace and Strom Thurmond were among those working to keep segregation alive.
Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy" - fathered in part by Democrat-turned-Republican Strom Thurmond - began to turn the tables. Many of the Democrats Martin Luther King, Jr., fought soon took their power and beliefs to a new party and became Repblicans.
at 17:01 on August 25th, 2008
Thanks for the lesson. Can I try?
OK!
First lesson: A member of the democratic party is a "democrat." No, this isn't some Rush Limbaugh conspiracy to demean your great party but is just proper English. Besides, if you think I'm making a swipe at all you democrats in the democratic party then you should also be mad at the democratic party whose website is www.democrats.org.
Second lesson: Strom Thurmond lead a breakaway party with other democrats called the Dixiecrats in 1948. Out of the 17 democrats who joined this party and at some point during their lifetime were democratic senators only Strom Thurmond every changed his party affiliation to being a republican. He became a republican in 1964.
Third lesson: Many of the democrats MLK Jr. fought stayed demomcrats. George Wallace, for one, was the democratic governor of Alabama all the way up to 1987 - slightly after Nixon's Southern Strategy - and never became a republican. Another democrat with a segregationist background who remained a democrat - Robert Byrd. Amongst the aforementioned Dixiecrats Russell B. Long, John C. Stennis, James O. Eastland, Allen J. Ellender, John J. Sparkman, Spessard Holland, John L. McClellan, Richard B. Russell, Jr., and Herman E. Talmadge all remained democrats and served in the US Senate after Nixon first used his Southern Strategy in 1968.
Fourth lesson:
Source: en.wikipedia.org
Maybe the switch from democrat to republican in the South has something to do with other than the republicans being a bunch of racists. But that probably wouldn't fit into your history lesson you gave to me so you'll probably just ignore this.
Fifth lesson: From 1948 (the year the Dixiecrats formed) until the end of the 1970s one senator switched from republican to democrat, one from democrat to republican, and one from democrat to independent [SOURCE]. Searching the House of representatives wasn't as easy but I found Peter Peyser who switched from democrat to republican during this time, there was an Arizonia representative who switched from democrat to republican for the 1980 election whose name was Robert Stump, and Albert Watson did switch from democrat to republican during this time frame (he was under the tutelage of Strom Thurmond) but that's all I found from looking at the list of every congressman ever. I probably missed some who switched parties but I doubt it was a whole lot more.
So, your contention that there was this exodus of segregationists from the democratic party to the republican party rings hallow. Maybe you're talking about local politicians (don't have the time to look through all the party changes for local politicians from 1948 to 1980) and all I would have to say about that is this: so what? We're talking about local politicians here - these are people who become democrats or republicans based on the political situation in their city.
Sixth lesson: If we're going to call someone a racist based on where they came from (i.e. the South since their region is the only one accused of being really racist) then we need to call President Bill Clinton a racist and how about President Jimmy Carter. They both hail from Southern states and how else could they win an election without playing to the South's racist sensibilities?
Guilt by association doesn't work. Just because the republicans have been winning the South in presidential elections doesn't mean its a party that loves racists and just because the last two democratic presidents hail from the South doesn't mean they're racists. I don't even think it's fair to call the South racist either but since you live in the South, in Texas, you would be in a better position to shine light on that one.
Seventh and last lesson: Last time I checked the democratic party had an Exalted Cyclops as one of their members in Robert Byrd. Not only as a senator but as your party's voted upon leader as both Senate Majority and Minority Leader from 1977 to 1989. Maybe Mr. Byrd didn't get the memo and leave for the "friendlier" republican party but he still did alright. (As a comparison, Strom Thurmond never attained either of those positions.)
If you want to argue about which party has a better record on race the republicans will always win.
at 10:35 on August 25th, 2008
BMCWrites, I like this story. It's good stuff.
And lets list all the great Democrats and Republicans over the past 230 Years! :) when are we going to mature and evolve as Human beings?
at 10:51 on August 25th, 2008
Paschen -- Your question is moot, since evolution is a farce to begin with.
at 10:55 on August 25th, 2008
Ah, and the Earth is flat, Yes, I see.
at 11:02 on August 25th, 2008
evolution is a farce to begin with
Wow!
Game! Set! Match!
Everyone pack your kits and go home.
[chuckle]
at 17:13 on August 25th, 2008
Jesus Paschen, dunkelberg, and moonwolf you can't stand it if someone disagrees with you so you have to put him down with cheap playground retorts? That's sad.
at 17:48 on August 25th, 2008
No putting down here BitT, I flag the story not for its merit though, more for the comments and the so on. And I came back after the evolution was put in to question, that by it self actually has little to do with the article other then the fact that Evolution is internationally an accepted Scientific base in the same manner then the fact that the Earth is round. You mix two different issues here.
at 17:58 on August 25th, 2008
I was talking about BMC's disagreement with you, moonwolf, and dunkelberg about evolution. You put him down because he voiced his belief, right? That's what I was talking about. Instead of just summarily calling him a "flat earther", which is just a scientific slur for anyone you don't agree with, why not try to explain your position to him?
at 18:05 on August 25th, 2008
You may want to reread the sequence of comments and should you still think that way after, then fine, I let it be at that.
at 12:22 on August 25th, 2008
For those who are unfamiliar with black Republicans here is a short refresher:
Notable black conservatives
United States politicians
African American Portal
* Ken Blackwell, former Secretary of State of Ohio, former Ohio gubernatorial candidate
* Keith Butler, minister, former Detroit councilman, former candidate for U.S. Senate from Michigan
* Alveda King, niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, senior fellow at the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
* Rod Paige, former Secretary of Education
* Colin Powell, former United States Secretary of State
* Michael Powell, former FCC chairman
* Condoleezza Rice, United States Secretary of State, former National Security Advisor
* Winsome Sears, former member of Virginia House of Delegates, former candidate for U.S. House
* Michael S. Steele, former Lieutenant Governor of Maryland, former candidate for U.S. Senate from Maryland
* Thomas Stith, town councilman of Durham, NC, former candidate for Lt. Gov. of NC
* J.C. Watts, former U.S. Representative from Oklahoma
United States judges
* Wallace Jefferson, chief justice of the Texas Supreme Court
* Janice Rogers Brown, U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit
* Clarence Thomas, associate justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, former Equal Employment Opportunity Commission chairman
Talk show hosts
* Larry Elder, author of 10 Things You Can't Say in America, radio show host
* Alan Keyes, radio host, U.N. Ambassador, presidential candidate, author
* Angela McGlowan, Republican political analyst for Fox News Network who has been nicknamed the "Black Ann Coulter"
* Jesse Lee Peterson, president of The Brotherhood Organization, television and radio host
* Armstrong Williams, author of Beyond Blame, TV host of On Point
Columnists
* Erik Rush, columnist, author
* La Shawn Barber, columnist, blogger
* Loo Oates, social commentator, columnist, blogger
* Stephen L. Carter, Christianity Today columnist, author of The Culture of Disbelief
* Ken Hamblin, Denver Post columnist
* Deroy Murdock, National Review columnist
* Star Parker, president of the Coalition on Urban Renewal and Education, columnist, author
* Thomas Sowell, Hoover Institute fellow, economist, author of Basic Economics
* Walter E. Williams, economist, columnist, author of More Liberty Means Less Government
* Sophia A. Nelson, columnist, blogger, commentator, GOP political strategist, Chairman of PoliticalIntersection.com and politicalintersection.blogspot .com
Athletes and entertainers
* Lionel Hampton, musician and bandleader
* Yaphet Kotto, actor
* Karl Malone, basketball player, two-time Olympic gold medalist
* Joseph C. Phillips, actor, commentator
* Lynn Swann, football player, Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate
* Jimmie Walker, actor, comedian
Other
* Akindele Akinyemi,CEO of One Network and conservative educator
* Calvin Butts, anti-gangsta rap activist
* Herman Cain, President of Godfather's Pizza
* Ward Connerly, University of California regent, activist and businessman
* Ezola Foster, president of Americans for Family Values, author of What's Right For All Americans
* Samuel B. Fuller, 20th century entrepreneur
* Robert A. George, journalist, pundit and blogger.
* Niger Innis, director of Congress of Racial Equality (CORE)
* Roy Innis, Hudson Institute fellow, chairman of the Congress of Racial Equality
* T.D Jakes, televangelist
* Don King, boxing promoter
* Michael King, National Advisory Board Member of Project 21, former radio talk show host
* John McWhorter, author of Losing the Race and Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute
* James Meredith, former civil rights activist
* Eric Motley, former State Department official, now vice-president of the Aspen Institute
* Deroy Murdock, Wall Street Journal opinion contributor, Cato Institute Scholar
* Gerald A. Reynolds, president of the Center for New Black Leadership, member of Project 21
* Vernon Robinson, Air Force intelligence officer, business professor
* George Schuyler, journalist, novelist
* Shelby Steele, Hoover Institute fellow, author of The Content of Our Character
* Stanley Crouch, author of In Defence of Taboos
* Lee Walker, president of the New Coalition for Economic and Social Change, Heartland Institute Fellow
at 14:10 on August 25th, 2008
E.V. Ray, thanks for the list.
at 12:25 on August 25th, 2008
eastvanray -- Great list!
at 13:10 on August 25th, 2008
BMCWrites, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 17:30 on August 25th, 2008
BMCWrites, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 15:51 on September 7th, 2008
I read a lot of what Loo Oates from the www.loooatesreport.com website reports.
I don't consider him a conservative even though he is a lifetime Republican who takes his party to task often, plus its plain he is backing Obama this year. Blog--- Big Loo www.bigloo.wordpress.com