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British soldiers in Afghanistan shown 'war snuff movies'
Camp Bastion's 'Kill TV nights' are intended to update troops on mission's progress, says MoD
Disturbing footage of Apache attack helicopters killing people in Afghanistan is being shown to frontline British soldiers in "Kill TV nights" designed to boost morale, a television documentary will reveal.
The discovery of the practice comes in the wake of the damning verdict of the Baha Mousa inquiry into the conduct of some in the military. It casts fresh questions over the conduct of soldiers deployed abroad and has provoked a furious response from peace campaigners.
Andrew Burgin from Stop the War last night described it as the "ultimate degradation of British troops", comparing it to the desensitisation to death of US soldiers in the final stages of the Vietnam War.
The footage, seen by The Independent on Sunday, shows ground troops at the British headquarters in Helmand province, Camp Bastion, gathered for a get-together said to be called "Kill TV night".
Described as an effort to boost morale among soldiers, it shows an Apache helicopter commander admitting possible errors of judgement and warning colleagues not to disclose what they have seen. "This is not for discussion with anybody else; keep it quiet about what you see up here," he says in the film. "It's not because we've done anything wrong. But we might have done."
Last night, the MoD confirmed the speaker to be Warrant Officer Class 2 Andy Farmer, who is based with the Apache squadron in Wattisham, Suffolk.
Much of the footage is along the lines of the now infamous video of a US Apache helicopter strike on civilians in Baghdad in 2007, first released on WikiLeaks last year. In one clip an Afghan woman is targeted after a radio dialogue between pilots refers to her as a "snake with tits".
Another clip from a recent "Kill TV" night shows the cross-hair of an Apache helicopter taking aim at an insurgent. WOII Farmer gives a running commentary: "OK, so he's walking along... then thinks... I'm gonna go off and get my 70 vessel [sic] virgins 'cause daylight's coming quite quick."
As the missile hits the target and kills the person, he says "Goodnight princess", adding "this is where you see he's actually had the clothes ripped off him by the blast".
He defends the decision to celebrate the deaths of Afghans. "People look at it and say you know... young lads are laughing at the enemy being killed," he says. "Well, I don't know if the Taliban do something similar but I'm sure they rejoice when they kill one of us."
When asked by the interviewer in the film what he thinks goes through the head of a Taliban fighter when they see an Apache coming, WOII Farmer replies: "Hopefully a 30mm bullet".
Later in the film, he is defiant about the moral consequences of war: "We're out there do to a job. We're not there to tickle the Taliban, we're out there to hurt them because they have no qualms about hurting us.
"Of the engagements that I've taken part in... I have absolutely no dramas with it. None at all. I don't really care whether they think it's a fair fight. If they're [the Taliban] gonna pick up a weapon and take us on, then best of luck to them."
But peace campaigners have a different view. Mr Burgin said: "The fact that British soldiers are reduced to watching what are effectively snuff movies shows the complete failure of the project in Afghanistan. It's nothing to do with democracy, but a failure of war that is trickling down and resulting in a mental degradation among ground troops.
"Afghanistan is a dreadful situation and it is no better than it was a decade ago."
The controversy is believed to have prompted a rethink of the way in which the MoD will limit access to soldiers by documentary makers in the future, according to senior sources.
Last night an MoD spokesman denied any wrongdoing. "Regular briefings occur within the Joint Helicopter Force to all their deployed personnel to provide an update on the operations that they have supported," he said. "This in some cases shows footage taken from the Apache."
The footage is included in a three-part series, 'Fighting on the Frontline', that starts on
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"thirty-aught-six" (not verified)at 21:51 on September 28th, 2011
The peacenik's want to run a guerrilla war they have no concept of and personally wont take any part in. Peacenik's safely tucked away under the umbrella of their welfare state and all it's comforts, bleeding for the Taliban. A terrorist organ organized for the sole purpose of inhibiting a country and people who have been in a state of unrest for half a century from advancing in a democratic fashion. New's flash! It's a guerrilla war. Men, women and children being used to deliver bombs, bullets and IED's to stifle any attempt at peace. The Taliban has been offered absolution and terms of protection from future prosecution, and even positions with in government. All to no avail. And these peacenik's bleed for the terrorist and attack the soldier on the grounds of some disconnected pseudo moralism. Time to round up the peacenik's and have them walk the roads to clear the IED's so the children can go to school, mothers can go to market and men can continue the hard work of reconstruction.
at 04:59 on September 29th, 2011
There truly is no excuse for that.
at 07:41 on September 29th, 2011
Apparently you and I are in the wrong because one is not meant to have feelings for other humans.
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but surely....... (not verified)at 08:07 on September 29th, 2011
.....even you are capable of understanding that soldiers on a battlefield are not supposed to be filled with compassion and a deep belief in the sanctity of human life?Before you bang on with your nazi comparisons and start calling me a monster you might want to bear in mind that is vital to the protection of the lives of those same soldiers that they become desensitized to scenes of extreme violence in order that they may cope with it.A person who has never before witnessed violent death but then finds himself suddenly immersed in it is far more likely to blow his top and cause further harm than one who has become used to such things.Soldiers win wars on morale and training, not how psychologically cuddly their beliefs are.
at 08:17 on September 29th, 2011
Justifying your hatred is useless. Now you are taking a "concern for the well-being of our troops" approach. Indoctrination is in their best interests and actually helps them be better humans. No regard for the victims, the "Casualty of War for profit" only the fact that we are bringing democracy US style to people who do not want it. You disgust me.
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but surely....... (not verified)at 08:30 on September 29th, 2011
You are quite the angry little man arent you, warriorslave? so "justifying my hatred" is useless? what hatred? what do I hate? Do you even know? Or is 'hatred' a label you pin on everything you disagree with?I actually claimed desensitization would help them be better soldiers, since they joined the military, I imagine being effective combatants is relatively high on their list of priorities.How exactly do I "profit" through this? or are you just trying out a few broad-ranging insults?I tell you what disgusts me, this sentimental outlook that has seeped into modern society, do you truly believe the change has been for the better?Has your book been published yet? I need a good laugh : )
at 09:13 on September 29th, 2011
My book is a tragic indictment of satanic evil done by the Ruling Elite whilst unthinking sheep like you blabber on about how "right-minded" people think this way or that. Anger, you bet as my world and the future world of my children and all children is decimated by greedy uncaring scumbags whose toxic behaviour poisons the world. You though feel safe in your personal cocoon embalmed in the rhetoric of government lies. Our heroic soldiers should be at home rounding up the scum like Bush, Clinton, Rice, Chaney and boy-wonder, Mr. "Change" Obama.
You though will do nothing to help as following the Sheeple is your only mission. Waving some holy scripture over their heads in justification that their dogma is sound and correct chickens like you down another beer as you stuff another almost food hot dog in your mouth cheering as yet another child is fucked up the ass by your "god-fearing" polititions and applauding yet another victory for freedom by "Our Troops' as they play the Red, White and Blue, God Bless the white people. Pathetic really but just what you like.
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uuuummmm thanks but...... (not verified)at 09:29 on September 29th, 2011
Your book is an ignored idictment. Why are you accusing me of waving around "holy scripture" when it is in fact YOU who refer to things as 'satanic'. Seems rather...hypocritical...wouldn't you agree?You have completely failed to address any of the points raised in either mine or 30-06's posts, relying instead on the usual , tired rheoric about sheep and suchlike. But then to you, vehemence is far better than reason judging from your crude reference to the abuse of children.The most entertaining part is that you believe you know anything about my life simply from the fact that I believe that soldiers should be taught how to fight battles as opposed to brood in sympathy over the plight of their enemy.You blather on endlessly about how heartless and cruel everyone else is but I dont see your contribution. Al I see is your anger at life being spewed out onto these pages."Pathetic" eh? Want to know what I think is pathetic? Googling your book brings up only a nowpublic page that nobody even commented on. Keep up the good work , little man. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
at 12:46 on September 29th, 2011
Sorry I apologize as now it appears I hurt your delicate ego. My book is self-published as no mainstream outlet would touch it. For $25.00 I can send you a CD copy if this is what you want. But you won't want to because it is uncomfortable and you would loose your safety as you would stray out of the herd. However, take comfort that you are the majority.
If you can't see what is wrong with your comments about demonizing the so-called "enemy" then there is no point in explaining. As far as "Satanists" is concerned, this is not my belief but theirs. Really you should get out more often and start getting a new education.
You might think that we are engaging in some kind of debate or intellectual exchange, but we are not. If you like mainstream ideas then stick to Fox, CNN, CBC or BBC. The reason why this is not debatable is because that time is over. It was squandered away 50 years ago when the public started to get a real glympse of the truth behind the government lies and corporate malfeasance. That was the time for debate and discussion, but rather than do this the masses chose to watch TV and embrace religions that taught the superiority of that particular dogma. Time is up. Because you and the other sheep chose to do nothing you are now part of the problem, infact you are the problem because blaming the criminals who run the world wont change anything. Anyway, this is a waste of time and time is precious.
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uuuummmm thanks but...... (not verified)at 16:44 on September 29th, 2011
My ego is just fine, thank you for your concern, I also appreciate your laughable attempt at condescension. Please explain how the enemy were 'demonized' by myself or others, as I cannot recall mentioning anything about them. My comments were about desensitizing soldiers to the realities of war, not breeding hatred.I notice that you again fail to address the issue , resorting instead to weak excuses such as "there is no point explaining". As for me needing to get out more, I assure you spending the last seven years travelling from country to country has given me more experience than your 'they are out to get me websites' has given you.You are correct on one thing however, this isn't a debate, it cannot be since you are willfully blind to other peoples thoughts and ideas. Anyone reading this page will see how quickly you are moved to anger and personal attacks and form their own judgement."glympse"......"loose your safety"......how is that extra education working out for you? ; )
at 18:20 on September 29th, 2011
at 18:18 on September 29th, 2011
First Einstein you are so cowardly that you don't even have a name other than "not verified" which suites you. Your new bid is to show me how worldly you are is stunningly unimpressive since you could visit every country on the friggin' planet and still be ignorant. Knowledge is not power if it is not applied. Also, bare in mind that a lifetime of being wrong is still not good experience. However, I know that I am wasting time by even considering enlightening you but such is my generosity for the handicapped.
"My comments were about desensitizing soldiers to the realities of war, not breeding hatred" Your comment was posted on my page under the article that I had linked to. No one asked for your opinion it was offered. Obviously you did not read the title of the article, so here it is again...
"British soldiers in Afghanistan shown 'war snuff movies"
"...Disturbing footage of Apache attack helicopters killing people in Afghanistan is being shown to frontline British soldiers in "Kill TV nights" designed to boost morale, a television documentary will reveal."
"The discovery of the practice comes in the wake of the damning verdict of the Baha Mousa inquiry into the conduct of some in the military. It casts fresh questions over the conduct of soldiers deployed abroad and has provoked a furious response from peace campaigners."
It says "...boost morale". Hopefully you understand this word. Now I don't know where you are from (if it the the US, it explains everything) but there is no mention about acclimatizing or making our heroes "desensitised". You said this. There already in fucking Afghanistan fighting against the residence of that country. Just because some hate filled self-rightious wanker like you thinks it is OK to march into someone else country and blow the fuck out of them only shows how self indulgent and morally bankrupt you are.
Another clip from a recent "Kill TV" night shows the cross-hair of an Apache helicopter taking aim at an insurgent. WOII Farmer gives a running commentary:
"OK, so he's walking along... then thinks... I'm gonna go off and get my 70 vessel [sic] virgins 'cause daylight's coming quite quick." As the missile hits the target and kills the person, he says "Goodnight princess", adding "this is where you see he's actually had the clothes ripped off him by the blast".He defends the decision to celebrate the deaths of Afghans. "People look at it and say you know... young lads are laughing at the enemy being killed," he says. "Well, I don't know if the Taliban do something similar but I'm sure they rejoice when they kill one of us."When asked by the interviewer in the film what he thinks goes through the head of a Taliban fighter when they see an Apache coming, WOII Farmer replies: "Hopefully a 30mm bullet".
So does this answer your questions? A bunch of bloodthirsty youths murdering people in their own country watching snuff movies. Takes a big man to kill women and children, but of couse the are fighting against a man armed with a pointed stick.
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on the other hand......... (not verified)at 18:44 on September 29th, 2011
I doubt "warriorslave" was the name given to you at birth, so how exactly is my username more "cowardly" than yours? Because I didn't register? so? how is not registering 'cowardly'? Surely you wouldn't be so desperate as to attempt any trifling thing in an attempt to discredit me , would you?It seems you are unable to see the irony in your own words, "A lifetime of being wrong" suggests that only YOUR opinion is correct and its far better to simply accept your view than go out and see the world for yourself. If you did so you might find yourself shocked to discover that very few people in the world have any interest in your ideology or theories. You then label me "ignorant". oh the irony.I am not from the US, no. I am from the UK originally but it has been many years since I lived there, my return looks doubtful.I am starting to see why your book was deemed unfit for publication, for example "boost morale". "hopefully you understand this word." It is a term, not a word. Desensitizing them to violence would cause an increase in morale btw. I am quite sure that they actually fighting the 'residents' of Afghanistan, or are you of the opinion that the soldiers true targets are houses?I do not recall this article being about the legitimacy of invading Iraq anyway, it seems to be about the exposure of soldiers to graphic scenes of violence. My comments certainly were about that, as were other peoples, changing topic because you cant think of a rebuttal does not change the truth of that.This is the second time you have accused me of being "hate-filled". Please quote something I wrote here that demonstrates that I hate anything at all. Or everyone will be forced to assume you apply that label to any who disagree with you.Pls work on your spelling and grammar Mr.educated. It is nothing short of atrocious.
at 20:01 on September 29th, 2011
Times up. You are a waste of sperm.
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well.... (not verified)at 05:22 on September 30th, 2011
That's the best comeback you could come up with? Is your website filled with such brilliant ripostes? Ironically enough you believe people that dont agree with you are unworthy of life. Exactly what the most ardent fascist would argue.
at 06:33 on September 30th, 2011
Should I take this as you won't be buying my book? After all it is brim full of "ripostes", LOL!!
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well.... (not verified)at 09:29 on September 30th, 2011
So thats about 86-1 to you in spelling errors, LOL indeed.You are correct btw, I wont be buying your book. Just like everyone else : )
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hang on........ (not verified)at 09:54 on September 30th, 2011
It isn't a spelling error, it is just a word outside of slaves vocabulary, I am really looking forward to him replying to the comment a the bottom of this page.You really got your ass handed to you on this topic. ouch.
at 14:26 on September 30th, 2011
Do I detect two morons or one? Maybe it is the same person, or maybe it is their altered ego. Whatever it is they need each other since they are a couple of sissyfied cowards who snipe at others whilst hiding in the brush. I'll deal with you two later as its grown-up time and I'm busy.
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well.... (not verified)at 21:12 on September 30th, 2011
how exactly am I "hiding" any more than you? I see your great caring and respect for others does not extend to the British or Americans. Perhaps you are not such a deep and spiritual person after all?
at 09:12 on October 1st, 2011
You are showing your ego again and justifying your position and yourself. In most of your comments you manage to slip into the "prove that I am bad" or "I am really a good person" comment. Your comments on the above posted story are baseless, but rather than except your mainstream thinking I question it. This upsets you because you are "right minded" read the best news papers and have a good grasp of politics etc., at least in your own mind. However, your way of thinking is toxic and only goes to support the criminality of the establishment. Sure you and others have some slick phrases and names for alternative thinkers and heretics like me. No problem, but your neanderthal way of thinking can not be tolerated any longer. Your group had your chance and screwed it up now it is time to move over and expose the Ruling Elite and all its sycophants for who they are. You can either help or hinder, your choice.
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ExposeTruth (not verified)at 09:52 on October 1st, 2011
Truth is WorblingSmuck throws out insults and false trail arguments but never never addresses the comments with factual argument. WorblingSmuck still has not answered the post that confirmed for all those who acknowledged the use of desensitizing methods, which he vehemently denied and foully berated the person of any who knew what was nothing more than common knowledge. For thirty comments he has played the blame game and shotgunned outrageous ad-hominem attacks in an effor to dent reality. Finally @ 09:12 on October 1st, 2011 admitting it is he who has joined the herd, given over his own thinking to be part of the "conspiracy herd" where everyone is out to get them. Pathetically, he declares it will be his herd of "social victims" that frees the world from the tyranny of those who don't support the conspiracy, that is keeping WorblingSmuck and his herd from ruling the world.
at 15:56 on October 1st, 2011
Interesting. Maybe next time it would read better in English. Bet you were sitting on the toilet all day to come up with that "handle". "WorblingSmuck", oh good one... yes that's really very clever, very you, very '80's.
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TruthRules (not verified)at 18:27 on October 1st, 2011
You have to admit it suits you to a tee. Still no reasoned answer though. Not that anyone expects reason from a conspiracy wannabe. WarriorSlave=EpicFail.
at 21:23 on October 1st, 2011
It think it fair to say that I write and/or post articles most days on this and several other channels and blogs. Sometimes I get comments and sometimes not. Some I agree with and some I don't. Even the ones that I disagree with I don't always reply to. This is because it actually take a lot of time to do this. The last book I wrote, you know the one that you are so interested in, took 3 years and is over 270,000 words. It takes dedication and determination to write about topic which are unpopular and that the majority are too fearful of ever considering. No, they do not have to agree, just consider the possibility that there is an alternative point of view.
Now it is obvious that you are well educated and use complex words in an effort to show others that you are serious and scholarly, but education and ignorance are not linked. Always ready to jump on anyone who dares to consider a different point of view or is not convinced that the MSM is telling the truth, and boy you love it when there is a spelling mistake, LOL. Sitting in your small world thinking up these funny names, well I admit that you are quite the jokster. Was it you that phrased it "Bleeding Heart" and "Peacenik". Again, terrific effort on your part and so original. And I guess that you are the author of the long comment about moral and desensitizing troops. Well, sorry, not the author, but the poster of information that you got elsewhere. That's good as you don't have to write everything and I promote other peoples work all the time.
I would say though that however important you think your reply is, it is not the centre of my universe as it is yours. I will give an answer when I am ready or maybe I won't. That's just the way it works. Sorry but you are not that important. Oh hell, you are not important at all, because you are "not verified" and "anonymous" which means that you do not take politics and social issues seriously, but only comment and criticise others because your bloated ego just forces you to be.... well sorry, but basically you are an ass-hole. I have no (yes that means zero) respect for blow-hard's who think they are tough. Using expressing like "Bleeding Heart" for someone who shows compassion is the sign of an emotionally bankrupt moron. You think you are tough but I doubt it as you flex your flabby mental muscle by being stupid and childish. You think that your pathetic attempt at being witty with name calling is clever. Most likely you are the result of an over indulged lifestyle, high regard for your superiority and coupled with some fundamental belief system (quite likely religious). So my friend you will just have to wait and wait and see if one day, sometime in the future I will honour you with a rebuttal, which BTW is quite easy if you have read more than one book. Hopefully this clears up some of your misunderstandings.
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RunRabbitRun (not verified)at 04:14 on October 2nd, 2011
Another lengthy pontification about nothing so WarriorSlave doesn't have to acknowledge his epic failure as a human being as he hides among the conspiracy herd shouting invectives at anyone who doesn't agree with his special little conspiracy. I especially like how you've decided that all the people who have disagreed with your conspiracy are all now one and the same person. It's too bad you have chosen to use NP to spread your disease. I suppose even crackheads need a place to air their hallucinations.
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but...... (not verified)at 10:19 on October 1st, 2011
It was you who first suggested that I was this or I was that. I made no references to my own life until called upon to do so. It does not upset me in the slightest that you think differently, you are completely free to form your own opinions and judgements.However.....You do not seem to practice the tolerance you preach, you verbally insult any who disagree with you. Even going to the extreme of suggesting they are not worthy to live. You claim my comments are 'baseless' , the reverse is true. My comments are supported by the references provided by the poster "scientificfactnotwarriorslavedrivel". It was not I that made that post but it does contain a lot of detail about desensitization.You cannot turn a battlefield into a social realm, extreme violence tends to take the civility out of even the best of us, as does fear of death. Rather than produce counter arguments you choose simply to slander any who oppose you. Than ironically branded them as neanderthals.
at 15:46 on October 1st, 2011
Sorry to tell you, it is "Then" not "Than ironically branded them as neanderthals."
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uuuummmm thanks but...... (not verified)at 22:35 on October 1st, 2011
perhaps you should learn to spell "accept" "obnoxious" and the grammtical rule for their/there : )
at 08:28 on October 2nd, 2011
perhaps you should learn to spell "accept" "obnoxious" and the grammtical rule for their/there : )
....Hum... "grammtical", LMFAO