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Can a Christian Vote for Obama?
I recently read a blog post by a Christian friend that brought up a very serious issue regarding the notion that a person can profess to be a true (follower of Jesus Christ) while at the same time side with a man who goes against the teachings of the bible.
If a person professes to believe God and trust His Word then that person must not fashion themselves a god in their mind that they are comfortable with because this is idolatry and scripture makes it clear that no idolater will enter the kingdom of heaven (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).
So the question is raised for professing Christians. Can a Christian Vote for Obama who chooses to fashion for himself a god that is different from the God of the bible?
Please goto the link and view the blog titled, (To Aid and Abet "Christian", Are You Guilty?)
www.thelawmanchronicles.blogspot.com/2008/10/to-aid-and-abet-christian-are-you.html
If you have read the blog I want to challenge you if you are a professing believer to read the scirptures and make your decision based on what God's infallible Word says instead of basing our choice by our own fallible minds.
For 20 years I professed to be a Christian but I was seriously mistaken once I was confronted by the fact that I had created a god in my mind that was okay with abortion, okay with adultery, okay with how I lived my life as long as I said I was sorry, but that isn't what scripture tells a true Christian. God is Holy, Righteous & Just and will not leave the guilty unpunished. A judge in a court room isn't going to let a criminal go simply because he/she says that they are sorry. If the judge is good then law breakers must pay for their crimes. And so it is the same with the God of the Universe. Read your bible. It is the food that sustains the Christian biblical walk through this fallen world.
If you are not a professing believer then I challenge you also to examine yourself under the light of God's law, the 10 Commandments to see where you fall. I'm guilty and if you're honest you will admit to breaking at least one of God's commandments and even if we keep the whole law but stumble at one point then we become guilty of all. (James 2:10)
Take the Good Person Test to see where you stand. It's appointed for us once to die but after this comes judgement (Hebrews 9:27). The most important question we should be asking ourselves is where we will spend eternity because it's much longer than our life here on earth and we don't want to be wrong about it.
Crowd Power
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fourbyfourblazer
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at 20:48 on October 23rd, 2008
fourbyfourblazer, I like this story. It's good stuff.
Your title raises a great question. The answer is a resounding "YES!" Christians have been voting for imperfect men and women since the first election, without fail. Before elections were enacted, Christians were ruled by imperfect kings and queens, along with the rest of the world's population. And whether we admit it or not, we will continue to be governed by imperfect administrators on the local and national level right up to the day when Jesus comes back again. My Bible leads me to believe that there are none who are perfect - no, not one.
Frankly, I am unimpressed with Christians who are more concerned with the unborn than with people they see walking and talking and living outside the womb. Seems hypocritical to me. Many of the folks who say they are "pro-life" are all for the death penalty and see nothing really wrong with war - dropping bombs on men, women, and little kids. God does not have U.S. citizenship, so when He admonishes us not to kill, I think He means folks who don't look or sound like us, also.
I could go on about this, but I won't at this time. But before I end this post, let me use this opportunity to caution all of my Christian sisters and brothers to look to the true God of the Bible. He has never changed. Look to the real Jesus Christ presented to you in the scriptures. He never changed, either. The first principal of Christianity is now and has forever been LOVE. First, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind, and second, Love thy neighbor as thyself.
The day the "right to lifers" help us protest the execution of a likely innocent man, Troy Davis, and incorporate in their teachings the true love and forgiving nature of God toward all Death Row inmates and people across seas is the day they will live up to their name. Please do not forget that Revelations reveals that there will be standing before the Lord someday a large crowd of people to whom my Lord will say, "Why call ye me Lord and do not the things that I say? Depart from me. I never knew you."
Vote for your candidates based on their platform and their qualifications for office. You will elect an imperfect person no matter who you vote for, without a doubt. Jesus Christ is not on the ballot.
Mary
at 21:02 on October 23rd, 2008
Yes the bible tells us that no one is good, not even one (Romans 3:12) and Christian's can and do make mistakes.
In your second paragraph you say you are unimpressed with Christians that are more concerned with the unborn than people who live outside of the womb. Jesus talked much about hypocrisy and true and false conversion. In the sermon on the mount Jesus said, "Many will say to me on that day, "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS." So people that honor Jesus with their lips but not with their heart will be turned away from heaven. Anyone can call themselves a Christian but unless a person is born again from above, he/she will not enter heaven.
I noticed your statement "see nothing really wrong with war - dropping bombs on men, women, and little kids" You're talking about false converts. Yes. Jesus talked about them.
But don't forget Ecclesiastes 3:1 "there is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every event under heaven--"
and Ecc 3:8 "A time to love and a time to hate; A time for war and a time for peace."
God commands us to hate evil (Proverbs 8:13)
The greatest commandment is to love God and the second is to love people as much as you love yourself. If a true born again follower of Jesus Christ loves people then they will tell them the truth, no matter if it hurts, offends or causes of physical harm as the Apostles of Jesus suffered for speaking the truth in love.
"The law is our school master that brings us to Christ" Galatians 3:24 The law shows us that we are guilty and need a saviour. To just tell people Jesus is love is elevating one of God's attributes while lowering the standard of God's other attributes such as He is Holy, Righteous and Just and will not leave the wicked unpunished.
"...He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished...." (Exodus 34:7)
at 21:46 on October 23rd, 2008
Thank you, sir, for your response.
I read King James version. The verse says, "And I will profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:23. Who does not work iniquity? All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Everyone works iniquity. That means that those who felt so righteous that they did not ask for devine forgiveness and repent from sin are the ones the Lord addresses when He tells them to clear his space and go to hell.
I agree with the Bible on all points, even any points I do not understand. When it comes to punishing wickedness, Jesus said the one who is without sin should cast the first stone. Here in the U.S. right now, we have a very unrighteous justice system punishing folks left and right. Of course I agree some folks belong behind bars -- or on another planet! -- but killing people is not an option I think God gave us in the New Testament, which is where Christians are supposed to be getting their guidance from at this point. Therefore, capital punishment is against God's law.
What about war? It is right and just to defend oneself. Other than that, diplomacy is what God expects of his children, just as you are probably upset when your children fight. God loves everyone, even folks who look and sound different from you -- even folks who disagree with you or have more oil. Wars are not fought over priciples usually. They are fought over power and wealth. It is just that the power and wealth that is won seldom touches the lives of those who actually do the fighting, and that is probably why most sheep don't realize this truth. There is very little actual "trinkling down."
I like the verse you ended your post with -- ". . . He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished . . ." The trouble is, lots of folks think they have been appointed God, Jr. They think it is their business to do the "punishing" which God has reserved as His job alone.
I always find it interesting that regarding the pro-life people, many are willing to go lie their bodies down in front of an abortion clinic to save an unborn baby, but less than 15 years later, they stand by mute while that child they saved is tried as an adult and sent to prison. They usually vote against every candidate and every program that would assist the parents who felt unprepared for parenthood due to economic hardships. There are plenty of babies in shelters and juvenile centers who need love and care. Why not go there and rock some of the babies who are here and change some diapers -- buy some diapers! I suppose it is easier to carry a sign and lie down in front of abortion centers than it is to actually be of assistance to suffering humanity.
How can one love someone they have never seen (like the unborn), but fail to love someone they see (like the 13-year-old being locked away among adults in jail to be raped and otherwise abused)? I believe you will be able to find the appropriate scripture for that, a question posed by my Lord and Savior.
In any case, as you say, God is Holy, Righteous and Just, and HE will not leave the wicked unpunished. Lots of Christians need regular sermons on the board and splinter - I know you understand what I mean. Our business here on earth is to glorify God in His TRUE nature, which is love, and to love and edify each other. Much of this punishment and war that we claim to wage on God's behalf is just a convenient excuse to be a bully.
Mary
at 23:25 on October 23rd, 2008
I have to admit that i'm noticed from your responses that you take scripture out of context and this is of concern to me. Yes, Jesus said "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
In Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus is talking about hypocrites, false teachers, those who continue to practice lawlessness, those who do not bear the fruit of repentance. He's talking about those who profess to know Him but do the opposite of what he commands. Jesus is not talking about true converts (born again), those who have by faith, repented and believe which is given only by God. It's God's goodness that leads us to repentance.
"Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?" Romans 2:4
You made a statement that you believe everything you read in the bible, even the things you don't understand. The problem with that statement is that you can take scripture out of context and believe something that isn't biblical in the process.
For example. You quoted John 8:7, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
These men who had brought the woman before Jesus were not Christians, they were going against Jesus own words in Matthew 7:1 "Judge not or you will be judged".
These men had brought the adulterous woman before Jesus to test him so that they could accuse Jesus of either rejecting the law of moses so His credibility would be gone or if He held to the Mosaic law, His reputation for compassion and forgiveness would have been questioned."
So Jesus said, "He who is without sin cast the first stone at her" This refers back to Deut. 13:9 & 17:7 where the witnesses of a crime are to start the execution. Only those who were not guilty of the same sin could participate.
So no one was able to stone her and Jesus turned to the woman and didn't say, "I'm love." Nope. Jesus told the woman go and sin no more. Remember Luke 13:3 where Jesus said, "Unless you repent, you will all likewise perish"
Matthew 7:1 "Judge not or you will be judged" is one of the most commonly known verses of scripture in the bible for professing Christians and unbelievers alike who the majority have no idea what this verse is means. In the context of the message it is referring to hypocritical self righteous forms of judgement. It's when we condemn a person of a sin by telling, "You're going to Hell!" while they commit the sin themselves and overlook their sin and also judge differently when it happens to be a person that they like.
And one last note. I'm surprised that instead of you responding to my email you posted your response in my news story with a vague response to my email so that others cannot see that you avoided the questions that I raised to you.
Also don't forget in the New Testament in Acts 5:1 that God killed a man and woman who told just one lie so yes, God is love but He also punishes the wicked, but "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9
Some notes were taken from MacArthur, John Jr: The MacArthur Study Bible. electronic ed. Nashville : Word Pub., 1997, c1997, S. Jn 8:7
at 03:02 on October 24th, 2008
Four, you wrote: "I'm surprised that instead of you responding to my email you posted your response in my news story with a vague response to my email so that others cannot see that you avoided the questions that I raised to you." I apologize. I had not been back to your article, but I saw you sent me an email and responded to it there. I did not want to take up all of your comment space at this article myself, as we could no doubt go on forever discussing the Bible and our points of view on religious matters.
May I just point out again that every verse you quoted having to do with punishment had to do with GOD doing the punishing, not men acting in God's stead? "Vengence is mine," said the Lord. "I will repay." He is Holy, and He created all. God decided to allow the wheat to grow with the weeds until the day of the great harvest. It is not for man to weed God's garden prematurely. Therefore, we should put dangerous people out of our midst - in prison - not kill them. We should attempt to live peacefully with all people inasmuch as is within us (you find the scripture). We should love the living and breathing people we meet at least as well as we love the unborn. Overall, I think Christian Americans are setting a lousy standard before non-Christian nations of what it means to belong to Jesus. We are the only "Christian" country that practices execution, and I believe war is permissible for Christians only in clear cases of self defense.
In any case, I enjoyed our discourse on this matter. My God is loving and just. Jesus is love, and He has all power. In life, I think it is best if we humans just stick to loving each other and let God, Himself, do the judging and punishing in His own time. I respect anyone's right to disagree.
Thanks again for your article.
Mary
at 00:11 on October 24th, 2008
You still haven't answered my question as to why Jesus is spoken of as the son of man 81 times in the Bible, avoiding the truth is the same as lying
at 03:32 on October 24th, 2008
Hey, Sputnic. May I try to answer you? Jesus said He was the son of man because He was in all respects human when He entered the world through Mary. The miracles Jesus did could also be done by other humans with an equal measure of faith. Unfortunately, most of us don't exercise faith at that level. He is referred to as the second Adam, because Jesus's life illustrated how we could be if we always reject sin and exercise absolute faith in God literally 100% of the time. This is something the first Adam did not do, and it is something none of us do. Therefore, Jesus Christ came as a human - the son of man - so that He could do this in our stead: live the perfect human life. After that, Jesus died in our place as the perfect sin sacrifice, eliminating the need for blood sacrifices ever again. He was the perfect lamb without spot or blemish whose blood has the power to clense us of all sins and unrighteousness through His forgiveness and mercy - not through our good works.
Next time, Jesus will come in His divinity!
Gosh! Where is that collection plate?
Mary
at 10:31 on October 24th, 2008
The quick answer to your question, the writers of scripture used the terms, "son of God" and "Son of Man" interchangeably. If you take out your cross references you will see that they use both describing the same events. The terms are changed depending on who the writers of the synoptic gospels were speaking to. When the writer of the Gospel was speaking to Jews, he would not use the Term, "Son of God" as the use of YHWH in Jewish tradition was not to speak the word out loud in respect. Nor even write it, thus the terms LORD. Now when one was speaking to Greeks the term Theos (God) was permissible, thus, "son of God". So the argument is mute as the terms are used interchangeably referring to the same situations.
Now regarding the actual story issue at hand. Many Christians have issues with Obama's view on Abortion. The Bible refers in many passages that God knew individuals while they were still in the mothers womb. relating that a baby who was not born was still a person and a soul. When Mary and Elizabeth got together, the Scripture says that John the Baptist jumped in his mothers womb as he recognized that Mary was pregnant with Jesus. So the bottom line is some Christians take to heart that Abortion is killing a child that is Known by God from conception. This Christians should have the Mind of God as the Bible states, "let this mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus" or Be not conformed to the world be be transformed by the renewal of your mind (God views.)
It also has some constitutional arguments as well. If indeed a unborn child is a person then that child is protected by the constitution. The Declaration of Independence states that one is given by his creator, Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
Since their are many Americans that do not consider the Bible the Word of God they do not have the same standards. But for the America Christian, the Bible (First) and the Constitution are considered.
at 10:33 on October 25th, 2008
Thanks for reply duo, I love jesus very much as I love all of Gods messengers (moses, david, job). The first Bible (excluding old testament/torah) was written in ancient Greek (although it was new at the time) and the word that was translated to mean son, in reference to jesus, was translated to servant in reference to moses. You mentioned adam, a man that had no father or mother and yet is not referred to as the son of God. Mr Blazer just quoted from the Bible words that prove jesus performed miracles in Gods name and not through his own divinity (God gave jesus the power when he asked, the same as moses)
at 10:20 on October 25th, 2008
Sorry duplicate comment
at 07:23 on October 24th, 2008
The answer is unequivocally "yes". All you have to do is mark your ballot.
at 10:06 on October 24th, 2008
fourbyfourblazer, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 15:04 on October 24th, 2008
Hey Chris,
I appreciate your passion and commitment to the Word of God. I think I understand the key issue you brought up and I think it is important:
"the notion that a person can profess to be a true
(follower of Jesus Christ) while at the same time side
with a man who goes against the teachings of the bible."
What I have found as I look at both, the Democratic and Republican parties, Obama and McCaine, and measured them to see if they were for or against the teachings in Scripture. I find that neither party is actually in alignment with Jesus teachings or Jesus agenda. I think as politicians they will tell us what we want to hear to get the Christian vote, but in the end I think that we as Bible believing Christians do not see eye to eye with either party. Therefore, I find that by those standards I find myself supporting neither candidate. I support Jesus alone: theologically, personally, politically, and authoritatively. I am a citizen of His Kingdom before I am an American. I am loyal to Jesus agenda. I believe that Christians should not put there hope in either candidate to fix America, but that we should put our hope in Jesus to transform Americans (and people of every other race, nation, language, and tribe). So we need to be wholistically loving people and taking care of one another, and sharing the Gospel and discipling people. I think to put our hope for salvation, for prosperity, for nationhood in anyone but Jesus to be an even larger offense.
at 15:24 on October 24th, 2008
Thanks Peter. I agree with you. Thanks for your comment. I agree with my conscience on this one and choose not to vote for either. Also at the same time whoever is elected I will subject myself to the governing authorities with honor and respect for whom it is due.
(1) "Let every person be subject (hypotassō) to the governing authorities (exousiais hyperechousasis); for there is no authority (exousia) except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted (tassō) by God. (2) Therefore, whoever resists authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. (3) For rulers (archontes) are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you wish to have no fear of the authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive its approval; (4) for it is God’s servant for your good. But if you do what is wrong, you should be afraid, for the authority does not bear the sword in vain! It is the servant of God to execute wrath on the wrongdoer. (5) Therefore one must be subject, not only because of wrath but because of conscience. (6) For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, busy with this very thing. (7) Pay to all what is due them—taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due" Romans 13:1-7
at 10:56 on October 25th, 2008
The quran states that God sends an angel to put the soul into a developing baby at 42 days gestation. Perhaps abortion before that time is okay for women that have been raped. For mothers safety it is, of course always okay. God knows everything before it happens so it could be argued that souls are not sent to a foetus that is destined to be aborted. It is worth mentioning that scientists discovered the developing foetus central nervous system to be developed enough for a baby to be considerered sentient only very recently - the age of that foetus? 42 days (six weeks) the same as was written in the quran 1400 years ago
at 13:39 on October 25th, 2008
Just to be clear, I think abortion is wrong. I feel like the further along a woman is in her pregnancy, the more wrong the procedure is. I believe abortion, at whatever stage of pregnancy, is the result of a lack of faith in God and His ability and willingness to provide and see one through life's difficulties, no matter how large. However, punishing a person for having little faith is like punishing a mental patient for having little sense. People only know what they know. Lots of folks simply don't know God personally, and they naturally have no confidence in His love and His devine power and grace. So, they arrange abortions for inconvenient pregnancies. This has happened since ancient times, and it will continue throughout time - whether or not abortion is legal.
As you well know, if you want to look at abortion in the strict sense of being a faith issue and take a close look at the right and wrong of the matter, even women who get pregnant by rape or whose lives are threatened if they take their babies to term sin due to their lack of faith when they have an abortion. I have personally known women who were given that medical opinion - that having their children could kill them - and they yet went through with it and survived. So if you want to approach the issue of abortion from a strictly moral standpoint, you would have to also bar those women from abortionists, too. It is my understanding that John McCain's position on abortion is not strictly based on the rightness and wrongness of the procedure, since he allows room for abortions in some cases. I hold that if something is wrong, it is wrong in every case.
Consider that when abortion was illegal, the only people who could not abort unwanted pregnancies were poor women and girls who lacked the autonomy that only maturity and money can bring. Legalities are not a deterrent to the wealthy for any medical procedures. Abortion will never be illegal all over the world, because women have had the option whether or not to abort for decades. A wealthy woman or girl will simply hop a plane and have an abortion at will. Or her private physician will discreetly give her a D&C, calling her pregnancy a simple "female problem." On the other hand, plenty of poor women, and wealthy girls who fear their parent's wraft and don't have personal cash and freedom to hop a plane, would face death after botched abortions. Doctors who disagree with the government's moratorium on abortion would lose their medical licenses and face prison.
Again I caution Right to Lifers that if you fight to get a new life in this world, then YOU share some responsiblity in caring and providing for that life. I have no idea how many poor women have abortions annually in America, but if you have your way, those would be live births. What provisions are YOU making to provide for these children you insist that these economically disadvantaged women give birth to, may I ask?
Have you thought of YOUR responsibility to these children? We're discussing the Bible here. Let me remind you that Jesus said, if you see a man who is cold or hungry, don't just say to him "I wish you warmth. I wish you well fed." Jesus said for YOU to feed that man! So while you are marching and lying down in front of abortion clinics, you may need to think about taking a second job to help feed these little needy souls YOU are giving life. Let me know if Right to Lifers are making plans for all the extra little feet that will need shoes and stomachs that will need food - or if you are like a deadbeat parent who only wants to participate in GETTING THE CHILD HERE, and forget the next 18 to 24 years.
Yes, abortion is wrong. But I see lots of other things folks do that are wrong, and so do you. I don't suppose you see all human behavior as being the Government's business to regulate, or do you?
Mary
at 06:09 on October 27th, 2008
What?? Your quote:
"Again I caution Right to Lifers that if you fight to get a new life in this world, then YOU share some responsiblity in caring and providing for that life. I have no idea how many poor women have abortions annually in America, but if you have your way, those would be live births. What provisions are YOU making to provide for these children you insist that these economically disadvantaged women give birth to, may I ask?"
First, I think that these economically disadvantaged women should be on some type of birth control or practice abstinance OR walk the walk with Christ through salvation and he will make a way to take care of your family. I am a right to life person but this sounds like a Hillary Clinton thought and when she said "it take a village to raise a child". No, it does not take a village to raise a child, it takes a mom and dad to raise their children. Not the government nor other people. I understand that some parents will fail on the job miserably and if they do I believe it is the immediate families responsibility to help out not foster care or the government, but if they will stand on God's Word then it will be alright in the end. I am against abortion for any reason. Because that child, from conception, is a human and God does expect us to stand up for the weak and innocent. EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE WHEN THEY BRING AN INNOCENT LIFE INTO THE WORLD. Too often we make excuses for people when they fail to take care of their business. It is my opinion that God NEVER approves of abortion under any circumstances.
at 14:08 on October 25th, 2008
You raise some interesting points on abortion, God says in the quran, "don't kill your children for fear of hunger, I will take care of you" . I think governments should follow Gods rules, and people should do the same. Follow the laws of morality, the ten commandments sent down by Moses, interest (capitalism) is forbidden (Jesus overturned the tables of the money lenders) dont drink or do drugs (all forbidden) Gods rules are for our own benefit. Have (fairly) responsible fun when you are young, and grow up when you are older. Some level of birth control is necessary, when children have children and the parent is still at the having fun stage serious social problems occur.
at 14:17 on October 25th, 2008
fourbyfourblazer, good piece and some interesting discussion going on here.
at 14:23 on October 25th, 2008
There is no evidence that Obama is a Muslim.
at 14:33 on October 25th, 2008
Is the usa a secular state or not ? I think God would be pretty happy if Obama were muslim. Still so long as Mr Obama worships none other than God (as Moses said to do, and told off his brother Aaron when he came back down from the mountain and found the people worshiping the calf) then he will be okay.
at 14:40 on October 25th, 2008
If we want some hot debate we could dig out the Lincoln-Douglas transcripts.
at 11:25 on November 2nd, 2008
More and more modern Christians have become exactly like the pharisees and sadducees as in the day of ancient Israel. They looked for the Messiah (Jesus) to come and relieve them from their political oppression.
It does not matter what "Political" stance our presidential candidates say they have if what they confess is proven to be a lie. Mr McCain has been spinning lies his entire campaign. Why should I believe anything else he says? Well he will be judged as we all will and only he can answer his ways to Jesus.
People if you were true Christians you would stay away from this election and read and meditate on scripture.
First of all know this; we do not raise our leaders, God does.
Read the following scripture:
"Lift not up your horn on high: speak not with a stiff neck.
For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the
west, nor from the south. But God is the judge: he putteth
down one, and setteth up another."
Psalms 75:5-7, KJV
"Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for
ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: And he changeth
the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up
kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them
that know understanding:"
Daniel 2:20-21, KJV
"This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the
demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the
living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of
men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up
over it the basest of men."
Daniel 4:17, KJV
"The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers
of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will."
Proverbs 21:1, KJV
"For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness
is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the
word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being
king. And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have
transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words:
because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice. Now
therefore, I pray thee, pardon my sin, and turn again with
me, that I may worship the LORD. And Samuel said unto Saul,
I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word
of the LORD, and the LORD hath rejected thee from being king
over Israel."
1 Samuel 15:23-26, KJV
And we are not to spend our time looking after this kindom but we need to be seeking His Kingdom.
John 18:36
36Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."
Lean unto Christ not Mccain or Obama. God's plans are bigger than republicans and democrats. God frequently had evil people invade Israel so that His great will would be accomplished.
Pray, and search for God and a better growing relationship with him and put the politics in his hands.
God bless.
at 12:17 on November 7th, 2008
THIS Christian knows he can vote for Obama. In fact, I did vote for him. And my prayers were answered. Based on my readings of Scripture, I know that Obama is so much closer to the teachings of Christ than George W. Bush, McCain or Palin are. I pray daily for those who think otherwise.
at 21:22 on March 19th, 2009
To say that God is under attack in America is the understatement of the ages. Tyrannical U.S. Supreme Court Judges removed God from the heart of America while the American people looked on. It all began in 1947, when the tyrants made law in violation of the U.S Constitution and established an illegal separation of Church and State in Everson vs. Board of Education decision. The tyrants continued in 1963 by tossing God right out of Public Education in another illegal ruling in Abington vs. Schempp decision.
At the time there was only one dissenting vote, of Justice Potter Stewart, who blasted the ruling saying, “It led not to true neutrality with respect to religion, but to the establishment of a religion of secularism.” In 1973, the tyrants of the U.S. Supreme Court manipulated by Satan's culture of death, sealed the fate of America by making law in violation to God’s Law and the U.S Constitution in Roe vs. Wade, legalizing murder on demand. The American people in complicity with the tyrannical U.S. Supreme Court Justices, removed God right out of America and they choose to follow a different drummer, resulting in the demise of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Sixty years of godlessness has produced a population of dumbed-down spiritual morons, having passed the point of no return, and now they are like sheep waiting to be slaughtered. Anyone attempting to reach the American populace with the Gospel of Jesus Christ is just like a man standing on Mount Everest shouting into thin air. Americans are tuned to the gospel of convenience, the gospel that is suitable to one's comfort, purposes, and needs, while contributing nothing to the survival of the whole. Americans exposed their true zombie like nature in the mid-term 2006 election, resulting in a sweeping victory for the Democratic Party, capturing the House of Representatives, the Senate, and a majority of governorships and state legislatures from the Republican Party. But, Democrats as usual failed miserably to fulfill their promise of ending the Iraqi war and just like nothing ever happened two years later the dumbed-down zombies went ahead and again pulled the lever for change, “yes we can” of Democratic candidate Barrack Hussein Obama and company, expecting to hit the jackpot, but instead they will encounter untold grief and suffering, living in its wake millions of victims of murder suicide, suicide, terrorism, and a sharp increase in homelessness, which in 2007 the National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty estimated that approximately 3.5 million people, 1.35 million of them children are scattered under the stars all over America Most Americans know not Jesus Christ personally, that’s why they know nothing, they understand nothing; their eyes are plastered over so they cannot see, and their minds are closed so they cannot understand. We know that Barrack Hussein Obama is the direct fruit of godlessness sown sixty years ago, and now it has been harvested and the American people must eat of it, and that is what they fear, they know in their inner beings that this fruit will be extremely bitter to chew and swallow. Obama couldn’t help himself but manifest his true Marxist nature to Joe Wurzelbacher, the Ohio plumber, by stating “I don't mind paying just a little bit more than the waitress that I just met over there, who can barely make the rent, because my attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's going to be good for everybody."Communism is defined as a system of government in which the state is formed by a single authoritarian political party which controls the economy, boasting progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people, but the law of horse sense states that Republicans and Democrats alike are dangling from the same set of strings, and the Kremlin is the master puppeteer. For the first time ever, Americans parents will not discipline their children for fear of loosing them to the State. Americans have allowed treasonous judges to thrown God right out of America alongside the sanctity of life, and plain common sense. The people have been reduced to socialized likeminded automatons, embracing ideological materialistic indoctrinations and mass propaganda such as multiculturalism, diversity, tolerance, safe schools, safe sex, same-sex marriage, gay rights, choice, euthanasia, and peace, disseminated through the state-controlled public indoctrination centers, and the mass media. A single political party controlling the Federal Government has become a reality.
Today, the love of many has become cold, many Americans are immoral, infantilized narcissists, addicted to instant gratification, whose mind conditioning comes in part through media and entertainment twisted pornographic indoctrination. Schools and universities have become the wellspring of socialism, political correctness, open-borders, sexual confusion, universalism, and hate, hate for God, hate for Christianity, and hate-morality.
Behind radical feminism, same-sex marriage, gay pride, and the overall degeneration at all levels of society throughout America lies a renewed Communist revolution, it disguises itself as Multiculturalism and Political Correctness. Separation of Church and State, pornography, pedophilia, euthanasia, easy divorce, open borders, sexual depravities, disinformation, abortion, gay pride, same-sex marriage, speech censoring, the devastation of the traditional family, and the introduction of hate crime laws.
From the phony separation of church and state, cultural Marxists are erasing the Christian heritage of America, while simultaneously engaging in a brutal psychological assault against Christians. In their quest to create equality between natural intercourse and all varieties of sexual perversion, this strategy goes by the name “gay rights” And because homosexuality is naturally repugnant to most people, drastic hate crime laws and speech control are being legislated to enforce conformity and submission.
Over fifty years ago Nikita Khrushchev said, “You Americans are so gullible, you won’t accept communism outright, but we will keep feeding you strong doses of socialism until you finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you we’ll walk right in.
Right after Nikita Khrushchev uttered his fateful words, leftists revolutionaries began taking America down the path of cultural suicide, aiming their sights on Christians, Orthodox Jews, conservatives, the military, and straight males, in which all are marginalized, psychologically bullied, and targeted as homophobes, bigots, racists, intolerant, and divisive, and the enemies of the people.
Vladimir Lenin said, "Atheism is a material and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism. In accordance with their fundamental philosophical outlook, Marx and Engel always called themselves materialists. Notice the words atheism, socialism, and materialism, these words describe the conspiracy of Marxists-Leninists global domination.
The Kremlin knew they couldn’t impose its Marxist-Leninist ideas to a free society made up mostly of Christians, such as the former USA. It would have been too obvious to the average American, and such idea would have been rejected outright. The commie’s first order of business was to remove God, the creator of the universe right out of the heart of America, no problem, the Russians have already done it in 1917 when the Bolsheviks took power and declared a separation of church and state. So, the commie’s went to work from within the labyrinths of the U.S. Government, and began to systematically strip America of its godly heritage. One must marvel at such striking “coincidence,” the Bolsheviks took power in 1917 and declared a separation of church and state, and in 1947 the U.S. Supreme Court Justices “decided” to ban the great physician from the Halls of Government by erecting a wall of separation between church and state.
Separation of church and state is not found in the U.S. Constitution, or in any of the fifty States Constitutions, is not found in any of American Founding Period document or letter. In fact, the place in which the phrase is found is in a letter from Thomas Jefferson to “Messrs Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut” which reads in part: “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties” Simply put, the First amendment of the U.S. Constitution was drafted into law in order to protect the church from the government, NOT to protect the government from the church. However, separation of church and state is found in the Constitution of the United Soviet Socialist Republic, 1922-1991 Article 124, which reads, “In order to ensure to citizen’s freedom of conscience, the church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the State, and the school from the church." And in the Large Soviet Encyclopedia, second edition, volume 5, (published 1950), the Word "God" is defined as "A mythical invented "being." And this is what Emelian Yaroslavsky said in his book, Religion in the U. S. S. R. "Remember that the struggle against religion is a struggle for socialism. There exist a state of war between Communism and those who have put their faith in Jesus Christ"
Under the will of the First Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union Nikita Khrushchev, the commie’s first and mayor task was to remove God, that mythical invented being, right out of the heart American. So they continued in 1954 by silencing the moral voice of the nation, the church of Jesus Christ. In 1954, Senator Lyndon Johnson and company, used the power of Congress to usurp the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which reads in part “CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, and Congress made law with the sole intent to silence the Church of Jesus Christ, by eliminating the significant influence it had up until that moment in shaping moral public policy, affecting legislation, and in addressing vital moral issues in opposition to government legalized abominations, such as abortion on demand, the affirmation and inclusion of homosexuals in public education and the workforce, legalized same sex marriage in Massachusetts and Connecticut and legalized doctor-assisted suicides or euthanasia in Montana and Oregon. Today’s 99.9 % of America’s Christian mainline churches are being gagged under the IRS Tax-Exempt Code, therefore America has lost her moral voice and anything goes.
There was a desperate attempt in 2002 to reverse the moral damage inflicted on the Nation as result of the action taken by Senator Lyndon B. Johnson and company, in silencing the church of Jesus Christ. Rep Walter B. Jones, Jr. sponsored Bill H.R.2357 and introduced it in 6/28/2001 Titled: To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to permit churches and other houses of worship to engage in political campaigns. H.R.2357 failed to pass on 10/2/2002 of passage/not agreed to in House. Status: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Failed by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 178 - 239 (Roll no. 429).
Due to the Marxists-Leninists claims that religion has an unscientific and superstitious character, Marxists-Leninists has consistently called for the suppression, and, ultimately, the disappearance of religious beliefs. Atheism is norm in communist schools and communist organizations, such as the mass communication media and the Young Pioneer Organization of the Soviet Union. If communism was to flourish in America, the commie’s next vital move was to follow the advice of their very own Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR, Vladimir Lenin who said, "Give me just one generation of youth and I'll transform the whole world." And the advice of their own General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Josef Stalin who said, "Education is a weapon, whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed"
And in 1963 Communists were successful in removing God right out of America’s public education, gaining total control of America's youth, a task that began through the treasonous Justices of the U.S. Supreme Court in Abington Vs. Schempp decision. The U.S. Justices hijacked the U.S. Legislative Branch in direct violation of the U.S. Constitution, and by an illegal ruling tossed right out of Public Education the Holy Bible, and Prayer Recitation, replacing them with the doctrines of socialism, which are the fundamentals of the present diabolical public schools curriculum, consisting of the indoctrination in Darwinism, Marx and Engel’s thought of their theory of “scientific socialism” to be complementary to Darwin's theory of evolution, Sex Misinformation, and the depravity of Homosexuality taught as an alternative normal lifestyle.
Glasnost is the policy of maximum publicity, openness, and transparency in the activities of all government institutions in the Soviet Union, together with freedom of information, introduced by Mikhail Gorbachev. Glasnost also refers to the specific period in the history of the USSR during the 1980’s when there was less censorship and greater freedom of information. But, does Glasnost signify a departure from the basic creed of Marx-Lenin ideology? Or the reforms are mere pretexts to deceive and mislead the west, and designed for eventual worldwide domination?
George Bush was the Kremlin test man. Bush in the last eight years injected huge doses of socialism to the brainwashed and unsuspecting American populace, and they swallowed it up, hook, line, and sinker, passing the test with full-fledged honors to the delight of the Kremlin. That was the signal they have being waiting for over fifty years, knowing full well that the American populace after receiving steady diets of Darwinism, Atheism, Humanism and Materialism provided by public education, Americans would eventually succumb to socialism, and the moment to introduce the man who will deliver the coup de grace to democracy, has finally arrived.
The Kremlin’s boldness accentuates Americans immersion in socialism by having the freedom and the temerity to pick a mulatto candidate to be the next president of the United States of America, having a questionable national origin, obscure religious affiliations, and to top it off, Obama is a bearer of a Muslim name in a supposedly Christian nation. Fifty years ago such candidate would have being inconceivable, such concept would have being foreign to the American mind, but not today, today’s generation has developed into a vast army of government indoctrinated socialists, they are the pride of the Kremlin and of Nikita Khrushchev if he would still be alive today. Make no mistake they are the ones that have installed Obama in the White House.
If America is to be saved from her impending doom, the great physician must be welcomed back into America, unrestrained. There is no time to waste. It is the duty of every Christian to forsake and boycott any CHURCH gagged under IRS 501c3 Tax-Exempt Code through the U.S. National State Church of Secular Humanism. Today, most pastors will say they believe the church should not be involved in politics because they are "not called to do so." They frequently quote the great commission of Jesus Christ “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” but, in order to justify themselves they purposely conceal the second half of the command that says “and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.” The truth is they cannot legally endorse or contribute to political candidates, they cannot campaign for specific legislation, because they are legally forbidden to become directly involved in the political process since they have waived their Constitutional rights in order to receive the 501c(3) tax exempt status from the Internal Revenue Service.
Did the church ever need to seek permission from the Government to be tax exempt? Were churches prior to 1954 taxable? No, churches have never been taxable. To be taxable a church would first need to be under the jurisdiction of the taxing authority of the U.S. Government, but the First Amendment clearly places the church outside the jurisdiction of the civil government, which reads in part “congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, NOR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF”
America in her present path of perdition soon will succeed in legalizing pedophilia, which is the act of an adult engaging in sexual relations with a child or children, followed by incest, which is the act of engaging in sexual relations between persons closely related, and bestiality, which is the act of engaging in sexual relations between a human and an animal or animals. All of these are happening while churches all over America are gagged under the IRS 501c3 Ta-Exempt status, and their cowering pastors together with their congregants continue singing We Are the World, Teach the World to Sing, and Kum Ba Ya. Sadly, it is impossible for you, and the vast majority of Americans to understand that Americans are no longer free, that you and the nation is enslaved by the super rich, or if you prefer, the elite, which is being lead by Satan in an attempt to rebuild his kingdom by resurrecting the Tower of Babel, thus establishing a one world government. The U.S. Government is no longer the Government of the people, by the people, and for the people, Government disregards the U.S. Constitution daily, and does as it pleases. Sixty years ago America went from a Man’s Man God fearing nation, to a nation of castrated effeminate degenerates, who are submissive servile dumbed-down idiots, waiting to be told what to do, and what to say by the elite controlled U.S. Government and enforced through the major mass media outlets. The present state of America is the direct result of Americans being disconnected from the Ten Commandments moral moorings. Jesus Christ is the only answer and the only solution to all the problems ailing America, and God is the one Americans must fear through His Son Jesus Christ. There is no other way. Either Americans welcome back Jesus Christ into America by deeds, or America will be eventually destroyed permanently. Because of America’s rampant wickedness, there is no doubt God is in the process of destroying America, just look around you. Besides, the scriptures confirm it, we read in Isaiah 60:12 “For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish; it will be utterly ruined” America is being systematically destroyed, little by little, because the Lord is looking out after His Body, the invisible Church of Jesus Christ sprinkled like salt all over America. If it were not for them, the Lord God would have destroyed America a long time ago, just like He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, by raining down burning sulfur right out of the heavens. Unless there is a God induced revival of mass repentance coming from the people of America, make no mistake in believing the present economic scourge will pass, after a little while America will be no more. Proverbs 8:36, “But whoever fails to find me harms himself; all who hate me love death"
at 13:05 on August 14th, 2009
There are people of all faiths and no faith in every party, and so there's going to be every kind of sin and falling short by people in every party.
However, the Democratic party is the power base for two great spiritual strongholds, Homosexuality and Abortion, that stand up against Christ and say "HA!" in his face. In fact, it is where you will find the witches, the atheists, the New Age, and every other movement that is opposed to the will of God.
It's become clear to me that a vote for a Democrat gives power to those spiritual strongholds, and so I have to conclude that it is indeed a sin for a Christian to vote for any Democratic candidate. Straight up -- if you voted for Obama, you sinned against God.
Though I'm conservative and lean strongly towards the Republican party, I'm not suggesting voting for Republicans per se, but for any other candidates except Democrats. However, the largest other party is the Republican party, and just in terms of size and ability to compete, the best chance of defeating the Democrats is by voting Republican. As far as defeating those strongholds goes, though, that will only be done through prayer -- we Christians have to get on our knees and fight.