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Canada: "Re-Virgining Muslim Women".
Barry Artiste, Now Public Contributor
An issue at hand is should Canada's Health Care pay $5,000.00 to re-virgin Muslim women?
Hell , for that matter should we have to pay $5,000 for any woman to regain her virginity?
Apparently France and other western countries pay for it.
Now while I am not opposed to necessary surgeries, if one is promiscuious to begin with, decieving a husband Muslim or otherwise of your virginity puts you on the wrong side of the bed anyways.
Women lose their hymen through other activities besides Sexual contact. Horseback riding, Cycling and most sports where bodily strain of the lower extremities occurs would surely do it.
If a sexual assault was the cause, then by all means it should be performed for free. There was an issue where men who were circumsized as babies wanted the state to pay to reattach their foreskin. This because as babies, they felt they had no say in the circumcision.
If a man regardless of religion or culture only wants to marry a virgin, especially in western society, he better get used to being alone.
As for Canada paying for this procedure? I think our health care system is stretched mighty thin as it is, don't you?
Barbara Kay, Re-Virgining:
Should the state pay for modern Muslim women to deceive traditional Muslim grooms?
Posted: June 11, 2008, 9:05 PM by Jonathan Kay
Should the state pay for sexually active women to revert to virginity? Or rather pay for an operation that will allow them to give the impression that they are virgins?
France does, even though France is such a militantly secular nation that hijabs are banned in school, and even though the only women interested in "hymenoplasty," as the procedure is known, are Muslims for whose intended husbands their non-virginity will be a deal-breaker.
Dr Bernard Paniel is an obstetrician-gynecologist for France's public health system, and over many years has become the go-to guy for Muslim women who need to be "mended" before their wedding night, or face the wrath of their shamed, traditionally-minded grooms and the probable annulment of their marriage. Dr Paniel "mends" about 30 broken hymens a year with a simple procedure that can be performed with a local anesthetic. He considers himself the "oil in the machine" that allows tradition to carry on, and is teaching the procedure, which he learned as a visiting doctor in a Tunisian hospital in the 1960s, to his younger colleagues.
Dr Paniel doesn't issue "virginity certificates" as some of his colleagues do, but perhaps just as controversially - and resulting in the same effect - he does provide his patients with vials of blood to produce on their wedding night. It is an understatement to observe that such (in our culture) medieval-era proofs of virginity - blood on the wedding night sheets displayed to witnesses - is utterly outmoded, a relic of pre-enlightened times in Judaism and Christianity. But the continuing, and consequential fixation with virginity amongst observant Muslim men is a reality, and the practice of hymenoplasty has now become a legal and political hot chestnut in France.
For in April a court in the northern French city of Lille annulled a marriage between a convert to Islam and a French woman of North African provenance on the grounds that her husband had discovered on their wedding night that she was not a virgin. It is expected that the ruling will encourage Muslim men with retrograde views of women's obligations to believe the state supports their perspective. This will escalate demands for premarital virginity inspections, which in turn will up the demand for hymenoplasties.
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Barry Artiste
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Most RecentMost Recommended Comments (25)
at 08:58 on June 12th, 2008
Hello Barry!
You've brought us another really interesting article and I enjoyed your commentary on the topic too.
I agree with you completely; Canada shouldn't have to be paying for these unnecessary surgeries. I also understand that the women are between a rock and a hard place.
They're unable to marry unless they provide proof of their virginity, so they do what they can to re-establish the hymen.
I agree too that the vial of blood points to absolute dishonesty and doesn't say much for their character.
The real party to be blamed is not the religion, but those that enforce archaic practices in the name of religion, within a modern day, post-2000 world.
Catholics (I'm not one) abandoned eating only fish on Fridays and they've been pretty fanatical over the past few hundred years about many things.
The recent Popes have tried to at least analyze reasons for their religious laws and modified them as necessary, with an educated eye.
It's a sad statement that these women cannot look at this practice for what it is - barbarism, rather than seeing it as religious tradition and their security blanket for attracting a husband.
It's also a sad statement of those men who still expect virginity and turn their backs on those women who may not be promiscuous, but once found themselves deeply in love with a man who couldn't control his sexual urges, thereby putting 'his love' in mortal danger.
One can only hope that someday, someone knowledgeable and influential in the religion will come along and tell men to throw away such ancient thinking.
Thank you for your story Barry.!
~ Swan
at 10:19 on June 12th, 2008
Thanks Swan for the insightful comments and the GS Flag, I have had this posted for a few hours now and nary a word from any reader, must be a touchy subject for some unclear on the concept that this happens regardless of faith!
at 12:08 on June 12th, 2008
Good point Dan
at 12:23 on June 12th, 2008
Tough luck? too often the loss of the female's hymen is incest, and the Muslims who demand virginity who marry off daughters they know to be violated are undoubtedly trying to escape discovery. It's the daughter who will be blamed. Hey, they punish rape victims in their countries. So, yeah, tough luck! Tough Love!
Don't be so quick to judge.
at 12:28 on June 12th, 2008
$5,000 for 'a simple procedure that can be performed with a local anesthetic'? Kinda excessive, isn't it?
at 13:24 on June 12th, 2008
Good point Rene
at 13:23 on June 12th, 2008
$5,000 grand for something that will be taken away on your wedding night, could turn out to be buyers remorse for both parties. Better to spend the money on a honeymoon. I think a $4.00 pair of Pantyhose would perform the same function if you ask me.
at 13:52 on June 12th, 2008
They don't need such kind of operation, this is totally a luxury and you can see it's a luxury because they are going to get rid off in their wedding night.
Operations like this shouldn't be free.
at 19:39 on June 12th, 2008
Thanks Altrugon, for your comments
With Free Health Services already stretched to the limit, paying for frivolous surgeries costs all taxpayers for the luxuries of a few.
at 17:40 on June 12th, 2008
Yeah, this is absolutely BS.
England has also paid for hymen surgery (read my article Spreading Islam one Hymen at a Time if you want to know more.)
But, to tell you the truth, I feel the same way about this as I do about the government paying for breast implants just for the sake of looks. If you want to make guys like you more (either through big breasts or through a vile of blood) then you better pay for it.
at 19:43 on June 12th, 2008
Hey thanks BigT for the comment, the link to your story and the GS Flag, certainly smacks of politicians trying to scam some votes in jolly old england. By the way the photo in your story is identical to mine, I got mine off the web.
at 21:15 on June 12th, 2008
Yeah, I sort of got mine off the net as well.
at 17:59 on June 12th, 2008
Barry Artiste, I like this story. It's good stuff.
now they want people to be dishonest about their virginity.
i wonder how men could regain their virginity??????
and get paid
at 19:44 on June 12th, 2008
Thanks Azzy, for the comments and GS, makes you wonder, Men apparently do not have to be virgins, just their wives
at 21:20 on June 12th, 2008
I think men can legally regain their virginity if they put back up their favorite posters of comic book characters and get a comforter that has the emblem of their favorite sport team on it. The case law is a little hazy hear, but that's how I understand it.
at 04:09 on June 13th, 2008
And get Mommy to rinse out your delicates and live in their parents basement........ thanks BigT
at 01:32 on June 14th, 2008
Barry Artiste, thank you for posting this. I don't have any immediate thoughts to share on the issue, but I didn't even know it was happening. Aside from the financial issue, I can't say I am pleased that women feel they have to become re-virginized.
(Oh, seems like I did have an immediate thought, after all!)
at 04:23 on June 14th, 2008
Thanks General, for the comments and the flag, I agree with you, why be a virgin at all
at 22:34 on July 22nd, 2008
I am a turkish man, I think virginity so important that you dont undestand..
at 23:52 on July 29th, 2008
Why?
at 22:36 on July 22nd, 2008
virginity not important for me
at 17:28 on August 24th, 2008
Fine, virginity is important in Islam, but important enough to kill over? Drastic, don't you think? What's important is that the bride and groom both embrace Islam. If a person converts to Islam, their sins are supposed to be washed away, so whether or not either of them had sex in the past is irrelevant.
And I'll tell you just for the sake of this discussion, if I ever had a hymen, it was long gone before I ever gave up my virginity. I didn't bleed. I suppose a true Muslim can't hold against me, the way Allah made me. The fact that some do just means they aren't true Muslims.
Purity has nothing to do with a bit of skin in the hoo-haw. Purity is spiritual, and virtue is a character trait.
Before we say that these surgeries shouldn't be paid for, just imagine the cost to our government if the poor woman ends up ''honor killed''. Often, in a most un-muslim way, women are forced into arranged marriages. This shouldn't happen. These women must be 'intact virgins' or they could even be killed. If they don't kill her, her family could disowned her. Her whole life would change. She'd be homeless, and That's the least of it. She would be shamed, and even a man who loves her and doesn't care about her hymen couldn't marry her because of that shame. A new hymen is a chance at a normal life, and sometimes the difference between life and death.
Each time one of these surgeries is preformed, it's another sign that things need to change. Islam is a beautiful faith when practiced correctly. Unfortunately some cultures twist the faith. Yes, ideally everyone should be a virgin on their wedding day, but society isn't there yet.
I personally suspect that men who demand virginity are likely fearing inadequacy on their own part. A virgin bride would have nothing to compare him to ;)
at 20:04 on August 24th, 2008
Thanks everyone for your comments, I think Fatima says it best, men prefer virgins with no experience, that way they have no one to compare to. Funny, though many Men demand a virgin bride, yet when it comes to the man, it is Play Ball, and have sex with as many women possible, Muslim, western, Chinese, etc...it matters not apparently.
But Muslim just make sure they marry a virgin. Wonder if Islam demands virginity of Muslim Men? Why of course not! Islam believe it or not , it seems treats their women in their Koran like common whores! Do you disagree? Well then, why does Allah promise unimaginable amounts of virgins by the thousands for wanton and willing Sex in paradise for martyrs for Allah.
Certainly one would think a willing virgin would want to be married first in paradise, but according to the teachings of Allah, there is not mention of that. By the way, where did all these virgins come from, who killed them for Allah and Paradise, surely that is a sin in the Koran.
Finally once these thousands of virgins in paradise are used by Islamic martyrs for Allah, these Now Non Virgins in Paradise after having sex with Allah's martyrs,need to be immediately be put to death, because according to the Koran, sex without marriage is a sin against Allah and death for adultery and other carnal sins is Death!
Does anyone but me, see the hypocrisy in the Koran? Or are followers of Islam just blinded by the promise of thousands of so called willing horny virgins for sex in Paradise?
Ya, know somehow the widows of these Martyrs of Allah, should be pissed to know their God is promising their dead husbands with sex from thousands of willing virgins in paradise, when vows are supposed to be forever.
Anyone killing themselves to get casual sex and plenty of it from young nubile virgins in paradise, also constitutes suicide, now correct me if I am wrong, but I think that is also an afront to Allah, yet it depends on which "Whacko Nutjob" of an Imam you're listening to.
Boy the truth friggin hurts when trying to explain Islam is a honourable and loving benevolent religion, when the followers of Islam detest western decadent sexual lifestyles on earth, but have no problem pursuing the promise of decadent sex, with thousands of Virgins in paradise.
at 01:39 on August 27th, 2008
I asked this same question. They aren't ''virgins'' as such, but rather 'pure'. Everyone is pure in heaven. There are other translations where they're not virgins, but grapes. It's more of a 'your needs will be met' thing. And yes, killing yourself for the reward is suicide. Allah is well acquainted with all things. He knows if your intentions are noble. If you are a martyr for Allah, it's for Allah, not for virgins, or the martyrdom is lost.
Some twisted, bad people kill people out of hypocrisy. No two people are alike. There are bad and twisted muslims who twist the word of Allah for their own gain. There are raping priests too though. Does that make all Catholics little boy lovers?
Oh, and most importantly, YES!, men are supposed to be chaste and pure too. The 'no sex outside of marriage' rule applies to both sexes. There's just no way to prove it in men. There isn't really in women either. Virtue and purity are valueable traits in a prospective bride. There is nothing about hymens in Islam. The bloodied sheet thing was invented by perverse people. People who twist the word.
Women are valued in Islam. There is a verse that states that heaven is under the feet of the mothers. Women are to be valued and respected. Even the veil is quite debatable. It might be a state of mind. A guard against immoral behavior. A woman's own choice not to flirt, or to do things just to attract the opposite sex. There is nothing that says to cover your hair, or face. It says to keep your beautiful things for your husband. Keep yourself guarded and pure. People decided that hair was sexy, and that it should be hidden. One must be modest. There are rules about specific body parts that must be hidden, even from other women, and family members. (Same as in western culture). More should be covered if there are non-family males around, but nothing about covering hair. A lot of the things we hear about Islam aren't true. Most of what westerners hate about Islam isn't actually Islam, but rather culture.
People need to learn more before condemning.
Good point though. You could untwist a lot of suicide bombers if you put it to them that way. Promiscuity is condemned on Earth, but totally ok in heaven? That can't be. Especially if this life is meant to prepare us for the next. Allah wouldn't ask us to be clean and pure here in order to prepare us for whoredom in the next life.
at 02:13 on November 30th, 2008
Virginity is so important for me. You will say why virginity is important. Because people in our country want to unexperienced girl before wedding.
I prefer to virgin girl. because person who will mary with me mustn't make low any people before me. if she makes love somebody before me how can I trust her.
if she makes loves before me, she can do this after me.