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Censorship is not the answer to riots in a democracy
Riots: from peaceful demonstration to illegal violence
Sounding more like a third world Middle Eastern dictatorship than a Democracy, the notion of Cameron thinking about censoring communications should be alarming.
If the communicating parties indict themselves by advocating violence and inciting the means, there may be a threshold for intervention. However, that needs to be defined in precise legal terms, IMO.
Peaceful demonstration should be acceptable. Organizing nonviolent and peaceful demonstrations is well within the boundaries of democratic freedom.
As soon as the messaging turns to violence, all bets are off. Such breaches may be cause for a shutdown.
“England riots: Government mulls social media controls
The government is exploring whether to turn off social networks or stop people texting during times of social unrest.
David Cameron said the intelligence services and the police were exploring whether it was "right and possible" to cut off those plotting violence.
Texting and Blackberry Messenger are said to have been used by some during this week's riots.
Rights groups said such a measure would be abused and hit the civil liberties of people who have done nothing wrong.
The prime minister told MPs the government was exploring the turn-off in a statement made to the House of Commons during an emergency recall of Parliament.
Mr Cameron said anyone watching the riots would be "struck by how they were organised via social media".
He said the government, using input from the police, intelligence services and industry, was looking at whether there should, or could, be limits on social media if it was being used to spread disorder.
Under social media, Mr Cameron includes Facebook, Twitter and specific technologies such as text messaging. The semi-private BBM messaging system on the Blackberry is said to have been widely used during the riots.
Home Secretary Theresa May is believed to be meeting representatives from Facebook, Twitter and RIM (maker of the Blackberry) to talk about their obligations during times of unrest.
Civil liberty implications
In the statement, Mr Cameron said law enforcement was considering "whether it would be right to stop people communicating via these websites and services when we know they are plotting violence, disorder and criminality".
The only realistic answer is the courts must judge”
Jim KillockOpen Rights Group
Questions about the technical feasibility and civil liberty implications of cutting off networks have been raised within the coalition, with many expressing scepticism about the proposal's workability.
Rights campaigners also criticised the idea. Jim Killock, director of the Open Rights Group, said events like the UK riots were often used to attack civil liberties.
He questioned who was going to decide whether texts or tweets were an incitement to disorder.
"How do people 'know' when someone is planning to riot? Who makes that judgement?" he asked.
"The only realistic answer is the courts must judge. If court procedures are not used, then we will quickly see abuses by private companies and police."
Any government policy to shut down networks deprived citizens of a right to secure communication and undermined the privacy required by a society that valued free speech, he said.
"David Cameron must be careful not to attack these fundamental needs because of concerns about the actions of a small minority," he said.
John Bassett, a former senior official at GCHQ and now a senior fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, told Reuters that the government should resist a clampdown.
"The use of social media in the unrest looks like a game-changer," he said. "But any attempt to exert state control over social media looks likely to fail."
Far better, he said, would be to encourage community groups and individuals to report when they see disorder brewing online and ensure police have the tools to extract intelligence from social media.”



Most RecentMost Recommended Comments (27)
at 18:26 on August 14th, 2011
Cameron is anticipating a reoccurence of the violence and destruction of private property that has occured during this last riot not your exaggeration of labeling him a third world dictator. Think how eagerly you would be responding had Obama suggested the same. You'd be scurrying to Obama with your iphony on hands and knees ready to give up your cell phone and rights for just a glimse of him. With freedom comes responsibility. Time the liberal sycophant realized this. Just because you're mad at the world for not being looked after to your expectations doesn't give you any right to destroy the property of others.
at 03:01 on August 15th, 2011
No, I am an a fickle American and have turned on Obama. iPhone service is too expensive.
at 03:50 on August 15th, 2011
You turned on Obama after he gave you all that free stuff? Terrible! Just terrible!
at 04:38 on August 15th, 2011
First, he wanted a $100. Then he would take $50. Next he wanted Andrew Jackson. The he said I could have lunch with for $3, but it would be a lottery.
at 06:03 on August 15th, 2011
The almighty God king Obama must never be referred to as a mortal man, GUARDS! SEIZE THAT MAN! DRAG THAT SCUM TO THE DUNGEONS!
at 04:01 on August 16th, 2011
You make that stuff up. That is not in any way his personality or his behavior.
at 01:11 on August 15th, 2011
One week after the worst riots in recent English history my Orange and Virgin media text messaging is taking 7 hours to reach the recipient. It was restored to normal on this Monday morning. I have not seen anything in the news officially announcing the delaying of text messages..
at 10:29 on August 15th, 2011
That is because the concern is keeping the masses in line and accountable. Government accountability is a different kettle of fish all together, and one which politicians love to keep at arms length. Though it could just be that, due to high volumes of people attempting to get in touch with loved ones following the riots, combined with damage to infrastructure caused therein, the network was unable to cope with the situation.
at 04:55 on August 15th, 2011
I disagree:
What good is judicial intervention when flash mob activity has broken out with arson, looting, assaults (even of the police). Why delay? Are we unreasonably restricting the rights of criminals to organize criminal activity? Before the courts got involved citizen vigilante groups were organizing to protect their homes and businesses. Maybe banning felons from owning firearms should be reconsidered?
Reporting by individuals to authorities on suspicious activity is a tricky subject. It has led to a system in this country in which career criminals trade their criminal liability by turning in other dirtbags. There is a growing distrust in legal circles and in the public regarding snitches (criminal "witnesses" with skin in the game vs. a civilian "witness" who is performing a public service. The police surely will allow the situation to deteriorate into one in which the criminals run the cops (e.g., narcotics informants).
See Alexandra Natapoff, Esq., "Snitches", and Jim Redden "Snitch Culture" (two books that may cause you to rethink criminal community policing).
at 06:42 on August 15th, 2011
The apparent disinformation psyops agent "Peacefrog" advocates a "Minority Report" world in which criminal intent need not be shown before authorities crack down on citizens' right to peacefully asssemble and to communicate freely.
"Peacefrog" appears to be part of a multimilliondollar psyops campaign using "flash mobbing" as a pretext to censor instant communications absent probable cause to impute criminal intent. Intent and probable cause are key, but according to Peacefrog, it's the mode of communications that's to blame for rampaging youth. Then why not ban bullhorns because the instruments could be used to organize a mob?
"Peacefrog" appears to be a military contractor psyops agent paid to advance by subterfuge and deceit a fascist, authoritarian agenda. While I have no proof, I have to wonder whether the Philly flash mobbing wasn't orchestrated, part of the same campaign to stifle free speech on the part of ideologues in pursuit of a peculiar American "social cleansing." READ THIS:
http://nowpublic.com/world/thugocracy-u-s-fed-police-vigilantes-persecute-citizen-targets
http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-govt-runs-gang-stalking-vigilantism-says-ex-fbi-official
at 09:15 on August 15th, 2011
Scrivener, Please stop with this psyops agent garbage. You've called me one, too, and it couldn't be further from the truth. You sound like a paranoid idiot. Gangstalking is the real deal. You? Who could know, given the garbage that you spew.
at 14:53 on August 15th, 2011
Vic is the real deal, a real victim of the God Machine aka Torture Matrix. Anon comment, not so much.
at 09:41 on August 15th, 2011
If Scrivner was not a complete fraud and tool he would not be complaining about an exotic,, nonexistent weapons system torture matrix and would be writing about the real threat of militarization of the U.S. into a police state. Here is a link to valid information that Scrivner avoids because he is a government tool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8xCDjcAaN4
at 15:08 on August 15th, 2011
It's clear who the government tool is, Peacefroggie, and it's not Vic.
at 17:14 on August 15th, 2011
Looks like there is a book describing you, Vic and the other "electronic torture matrix" crowd trying to discredit legitimate government gang stalking victims:
http://shop.americanfreepress.net/store/p/236-Cognitive-Infiltration-An-Obama-Appointee-s-Plan-to-Undermine-the-9-11-Conspiracy-Theory.html
at 18:45 on August 15th, 2011
And here's another book for you, froggie, The Hidden Evil, by Mark M. Rich. Also the website torturedinamerica.org. The Military Oligarchy running the US uses directed energy weapons on their enemies, including even you cybernazis when it suits them to turn you into patsies.
at 20:54 on August 15th, 2011
Good web link incog_Police Tyranny R US (not verified)..thxs!
Stop the Police State
http://torturedinamerica.org/
at 12:42 on August 16th, 2011
Whoops. Uh-oh. What this pseudo-praise from The 1 means is that he and his fellow cybernazis are going to expunge, sequester or undermine the website I recommended: torturedinmaerica.org.
at 20:57 on August 15th, 2011
Interesting video PeaceFrog. thxs ! Mr. Roberts had some surprising and interesting things to say..
Also I understand your thoughts in stating "complaining about an exotic nonexistent weapons system torture matrix,"
and additional statement..
"Vic and the other "electronic torture matrix" crowd trying to discredit legitimate government gang stalking victims"..
First, unless you've been exposed to the systematic psychological attack of an EWS attack, you really can't understand it. I've yet to find one person who has never been exposed to an EWS attack who understood it. And very, very few who even believe it exist or is happening.
Second, not sure why you feel 'Vic' is in someway trying to "discredit legitimate government gang stalking victims," unless you are just reacting in someway to Scrivener personal attack on you above. Whatever your reason, Scrivener actually does understand organized gang stalking. He is also a victim of that imo. That is no excuse for his personal attacks on other posters though_including you.
at 08:23 on August 16th, 2011
I don't attack; I respond to attacks. Aren't you the same "The 1" who repeatedly calls me "Idiot?" That said, your comment, supra, is quite temperate for an apparent paid military contractor psyops agent! We never forget who YOU'RE working for -- at taxpayer expense. Say hi to the rest of the Valley Forgers...
at 09:19 on August 16th, 2011
true..lol Just another victim of the torture matrix and Scrivener..lol
at 09:10 on August 15th, 2011
..."in a democracy"??? (...in reality, a republic...) Well, anyway, you've got to be kidding about the "democracy" portion of the equation. -------The rules have all changed. Some Americans have lost many of their civil liberties. Let's get to the bottom of the oppression known as gang stalking and then get back to me... It will take something quite radical to restore America to something that even begins to resemble a republic. I don't know if censorship is the answer, but something radical will be required to bring this beast around, if it's even possible.---------------news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20091822-245/s.f-subway-muzzles-cell-service-during-protest/------------------------www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/gang-stalking-london-burns-pm-states-social-media-criminals
at 11:01 on August 15th, 2011
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but London is not in America, nor is the United Kingdom a Republic., but rather a Democratic Monarchy.
at 16:27 on August 15th, 2011
Piobar, Without clarifying, I was referring to the U.S., in light of the recent BART incident and possible riots in the future... Should have clarified..., of course, but no need to be snooty...
at 20:52 on August 15th, 2011
Interesting Piobar, "Democratic Monarchy"..are you sure lol
at 00:21 on August 17th, 2011
I believe the correct term is 'constitutional monarchy'. But its kind of splitting hairs.
Besides, Piobar raises a fair point. This article is about the UK riots. Scrivener and his boyfriend have shrieked for months about wanting people to stop posting on scrivs articles. Now that everyone has they have decided to invade other peoples articles because nobody is paying them any attention anymore. But I'm pretty sure you know what scriv is like now. LOL.
at 07:20 on August 18th, 2011
you are right, the term is a constitutional monarchy; thanks for the correction, for some reason I could not for the life of me remember it at the time, try as I might. I think all of us who have been on the site a few times know what Scrivener is like... the first time I stumbled onto one of his articles, I laughed until I cried. I thought it was satire.