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Certain Aspects Of Sharia Law To Be Legalised By Man
The greatest gift it is possible to give is to forgive one that has wronged you. So it says in the Quran, in the same chapter that deals with the law and punishment for crimes such as adultery. It is legal to get divorced in Islam, for all the terrible cases of public stoning that come to our attention there are probably many more divorces, often, I am sad to say, and ashamed to admit, among the rich. Mans justice doesnt come cheap anywhere but we will all be judged equally by God. As regards family law, the aspect that is due to be regarded as binding in Uk courts, on first appearance certain aspects can be seen to favour the man. In financial terms the male gets around 33 percent more than the female (two thirds not half) but he has to financially support the children completely out of that money. If he wants to remarry he has to pay a dowry. Misunderstood Gods law is good.
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at 04:02 on October 26th, 2008
Sputnic, I like debating on Islamic issues.
Not many Muslims divorce a wife because of two reasons the first is the bad view other muslims will take on such an issue. The other is why divorce is frowned on, a good muslim does not divorce because the wife will need to live on her own resources and may end up in poverty and die of starvation on the streets.
Other male muslims will not normally marry and care for a non virgin, there are exeptions the husbands brother or a near relative can be asked to marry the ex-wife, but its seldom that the husband can find someone to take that responsibility.
The normal thing is that the husband looks after number one wife and marries another woman, he is obligated to treat both women respectfully the second wife is his pride and joy but if he buys her a present etc he is obligated to buy the same gift for number one wife.
Its normal for the first wife to run the household but to try stay out of site from the husband unless invited.
The problem is that the husband must be able to afford two wives before he marries a second then three wifes if he needs to marry a third.
Normally the less wealthy Muslim is stuck with wife number one if a near relative does not want her. Muslims normal wish to only have one wife and try to chose very carefully.
When I hear non Muslims joke and state they want to change their faith as they want three wives, I smile knowingly, lol
at 05:27 on October 26th, 2008
Thanks Bablefish, of course everything you say here is true but those circumstances of divorce are cultural as opposed to religious, think of the cricketer and politition Imran Khan and his ex wife Jemmima Goldsmith
at 05:27 on October 26th, 2008
Thanks Bablefish, of course everything you say here is true but those circumstances of divorce are cultural as opposed to religious, think of the cricketer and politition Imran Khan and his ex wife Jemmima Goldsmith
at 06:47 on October 26th, 2008
Jemmima can easily get married again as she can leave the muslim culture and enter the western culture this would not of course be frown on by Imran Khan's Muslim peers as she will never end up in poverty. However a muslim would think twice in marrying Jemmima so she better look for a guy that is definatly not Muslim. Money does make a difference but the culture of the religion that relates the virgin thing is normally like a solid brick wall.
Though rich Muslims have been known to break the virgin rule. But as my good muslim friend say its human to forgive and I personally think forgiving shows how human and civilized one really is. It sometimes the most hardest thing to do, Jesus Christ the great Philospher (I am an athiest) quoted "Turn the other cheek" I certainly wished more people would read his quote and let the words sink in, the world would be a better place.
By the way a great human and great Philospher broke his own advice and that was Muhammad for he had more wifes than the limit he suggested. Of course he was human and should be forgiven and is by all of those that believe he is the great prophet. Of course I should be forgiven for questioning the acts of the great Prophet as I am not Muslim and I am human.
Peace be with you...
at 08:47 on October 26th, 2008
Many people worship God alone, or believe there to be only one God but dont refer to themselves as muslim. Prophet mohammed was a special case being a prophet and it is worth remembering that there were a shortage of men at the time due to the wars that were going on. I read a comment of yours in which you said your mother was jewish and your dad a christian and that you chose your mothers religion, but now you say you are atheist? It would be wrong to blame God for the evil that men (and women) do. I made that mistake myself.
at 16:27 on October 26th, 2008
Prophet mohammed was a special case being a prophet and it is worth remembering that there were a shortage of men at the time due to the wars that were going on."No that's a poor excuse, one can not escuse the great prophet in such away one can forgive him as he was human like you or me, he enjoyed his wives and because he was rich he could afford many, his suggestions of limiting wives was to my mind sensible and setting a bunch of good rules such as treat each wife the same. He realised in great wisdom that those men that could afford a wife needed to tighten their belts to afford more and of course the muslim women needed the rights of being secure in their finacial support. That Muslim men needed to be respectful to women and a responsibility to be able to afford the up keep of a extra wife if the first or second where not agreeable to his needs as a husband. The limits of the number of wives was set to what the average very successfull business man could afford.
The great Prophet was more than very successful he was a very rich religous leader of whom I expect could afford more wifes than he really had, we must not invent excuses for his actions as those action where a cultural based thing. That very rich Arabs used to do prior to the introduction of Islam in fact some continued this avenue of having many wifes and concubines after the introduction of Islam.
In the case of shortage of men due to war, yes muslims did take the wifes of dead brothers cousins and relatives into their households but this was not the reason for Muhammad having many wifes, he did so because of Arab tradition thats what rich arab business men and great leaders did. Muhammad needs no excuses he was the one that set the way to a sensible caring muslim law for his subjects and the followers of a new faith. I expect at that time there where other rich Muslim men that had more than the suggested quota and those wifes all shared his bed as and when required.
As to my religion change it was a decision to admit to being of Jewish decent shortly after the death of my mother and not one of religious conviction. I actually became an athiest after reading and studying many of the holy books to include the Koran. One verse in the torah and repeated in the old testiments of the bible made me change my mind. I blame men and women for the evil they do and religion for allowing them to repent sins, going in the temple as dirty linen and coming out thinking they are clean, many of those that pray on a mat seemingly think its the laundry of the soul.
Benedict de Spinoza the absolute philosopher stated...
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As a weak atheist Spinoza thoughts and opinions fit into my square hole. That there is no law making God or Gods but there is a form of inteligence behind the universe and its nature. We are made out of the star dust the very stuff the matter and building blocks of the universe that makes us beings a part of the universe and part of the its total inteligence we can of course give that inteligence a name, yes God will do or shall we call it nature.
By and by one of the greatest genius of the world as ever new conserning the nature of the universe Albert Einstien was a follower of Spinoza's philosophy
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I am no genius but I can see the logic thinking.
"It would be wrong to blame God for the evil that men (and women) do. I made that mistake myself." I don't and I am sure that I am not mistaken
at 02:37 on October 27th, 2008
Hi, prophet mohammed didnt make the rules God did. Prophet mohammed was not a rich man either he gave up the small amount of wealth he had when he was forced to migrate from mecca to medina. He had only one wife at the time of this migration. When mohammed died he left a donkey to his wife and a pair of sandals to his nephew. The prophet lived a very humble life and didnt go in for the trappings of wealth. Mohammed was offered riches by the pagans of mecca in return for abandoning monothesm, he refused and was forced to flee for his life. As regards atheist philosophy, "no good or bad" yes their are! Anyone with half a brain knows that. George Bush (both) knows that. Most genius's are very good at one thing but not fantastickly good at everything. Einstein was very good at maths (thanks to early muslim pioneers) but not much good at theology. How do you explain the scientific miracles? Did the universe of life speak! God isn't the universe, God made the universe.
at 09:18 on October 28th, 2008
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at 02:38 on October 27th, 2008
Hi, prophet mohammed didnt make the rules God did. Prophet mohammed was not a rich man either he gave up the small amount of wealth he had when he was forced to migrate from mecca to medina. He had only one wife at the time of this migration. When mohammed died he left a donkey to his wife and a pair of sandals to his nephew. The prophet lived a very humble life and didnt go in for the trappings of wealth. Mohammed was offered riches by the pagans of mecca in return for abandoning monothesm, he refused and was forced to flee for his life. As regards atheist philosophy, "no good or bad" yes their are! Anyone with half a brain knows that. George Bush (both) knows that. Most genius's are very good at one thing but not fantastickly good at everything. Einstein was very good at maths (thanks to early muslim pioneers) but not much good at theology. How do you explain the scientific miracles? Did the universe of life speak! God isn't the universe, God made the universe.
at 03:44 on October 29th, 2008
No! he said the laws came from God, we have to believe that and many good followers do.
Nice story that I have heard before but te fact he had so many wifes he had to be able to afford them, Oh when you give a present to a wife the others have to be given the same present, thats a lot of donkeys, lol
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The athiest actualy do believe in good or bad those factors can be seen around them every day. Most atheist have very good minds they are like they are due to being free thinkers and not blocked by indoctrination that is of a mystic supernateral nature there has to be proof as magic does not exist. I have yet to hear a criminal seek excuse as I am an athiest your honor so I don't know good from evil, lol
Actually Einstien struggled with his conception of God and like me became a believer in Sponoza's God but I of course can not claim to be a genius just a free thinker. An entity or a enteligence behind the nature and birth of the universe but not a law making God or one that plays a good against evil game with man as the pawns. Einsteins was not good with grammar or the spoken word it was his only failing.
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Seeminly Einstein investigated religion not the sort of person to make a statement and an opinion with out reasearch, he actual recieved a catholic education and had talked much about the jewish religion with a Rabbi. He certainly read Spinozo's theories and seemingly read about Buddism.
at 07:29 on October 29th, 2008
Those that do not believe mohammed to be a messenger of God say that the words were his. I am not one of those people. Look to islamic sources and there is no debate, no motivation to lie. God says in the Quran that the words it contains will always be protected from alteration. I believe God. I am a free thinker, a free thinker that loves God. I used to consider myself an atheist too, and didnt take the decision to live as a muslim lightly
at 09:03 on December 29th, 2008
Christian men divorce their wives and know they will be left in poverty.
Muslim women can remarry.
I like the Sharia laws about lending money.
Maybe if the USA were more ethical in THEIR lending laws, there would not be a global economic crisis.
Salaam and Duas to ya.
at 04:27 on January 3rd, 2009
Thanks for the points on Gods laws and the obvious statements that many people treat their partners badly, should have thought of that myself ! Best wishes and happy new year