China on Course Catching Japanese Disease

by PIM of SPAIN | November 3, 2009 at 08:49 am
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Hugh Askew wrote me a message with a request to write something sensible to the story published in the Financial Time from yesterday. “China is heading for a Japan-style bubble

“If China continues to follow the Japanese template, the end of the dollar peg will be the trigger event, setting off a Godzilla-sized credit binge. Why would China’s rulers embark on such a disastrous course? Because the alternative – unleashing deflationary forces stored up over years of mercantilist policies – would be too painful to contemplate. That was the choice made by Japanese policymakers, who had a hundred years’ experience of managing a quasi-capitalist economy.
This time a denouement would be one of the biggest bubbles in history, probably in scale and certainly in number of people involved. Could China weather the subsequent financial turmoil as stoically as Japan? It seems unlikely; at the least, its ascent to global hegemony would suffer a brutal interruption.”

Anyone who thinks China can save the world from recession needs to read former Morgan Stanley analyst Andy Xie’s opinion on the matter. Andy reckons China is the next giant Ponzi scheme set to collapse. Andy predicted the bubbles in Japan, Southeast Asia, and Silicon Valley and most recently in the US housing market. So when Andy speaks, everyone should listen.

Credit expanded for half a century. The Bubble era at its end caused trillions of dollars worth of errors. Exporting nations like China had gotten into the habit of earning net sales from the U.S.A. of $2 billion per day. Those earnings provided much of the speculative capital that created the Bubble era prices. Instead of a healthy new boom, the guess is that China is enjoying a sick echo of the old bubble.

Almost every government, led by the U.S.A., attempt to re-inflate the bubble with guarantees and stimuli equal to an entire year's annual output of the world's largest economy. Since every dollar or Euro, etc is borrowed it makes sense that every single one will have to be withdrawn from the world economy at some point.

One of the major risks indeed is China’s currency regime. At present, it’s loosely pegged to the dollar. Should that change and China’s currency appreciate, exports from China would plummet. This appreciation in currency is inevitable. One of the most well regarded economists in China, Yu Yongding, is calling for the Yuan to become “internationalized and used as a reserve currency” within five years.

On average, world trade fell 31 percent in January 2009. To varying degrees, recession and depression gripped globally.

"The outlook for global consumption remains bleak. Exports are likely to remain lacklustre until global consumers regain their appetite for consumption,"

It looked, as China would be able to decouple from the developed world. But it was heading towards recession just like everyone else. It was thought that the clever Chinese seem to have found a twist big enough to change course overnight. Almost unbelievably, China seems to have pulled off the much-desired "V-shaped recovery." Instead, of contracting, China's figures show it is expanding at a more than a 8% rate.

China might be lying, of course. It seems very unlikely to that China could have recovered so quickly. This is not a recession it is depression. And depressions demand structural changes, which takes time. It seems very unlikely that China could have recovered so quickly.

Besides, other developing economies are reporting the same - increases in exports after a catastrophic collapse at the end of the last year. However one can measure the collapse easily by looking at the Baltic Dry Index - which keeps track of bulk-shipping rates. It fell by more than 90% last year. From its low, it's doubled - up 100%. But that still leaves it down 80% from a year ago.

China says it is growing. But if it were really growing it would be using more fuel and more electricity. Instead, “industrial demand for gasoil, used by factories and commercial plants, fell 12.6% in the first quarter. Also electricity generation has been going down. The last seven months' power output has been 8.5% below that of a year ago.”

"Over 15,000 factories in the Chinese provinces of Shenzhen, Guangzhou, or Dongguan have already shut down, with many more slated to close over the months ahead.”

“Half of China's toy factories have shut down. In fact, at least 67,000 factories overall closed in the last six months of 2008, with another 60,000 factories in the Wen Zhou Province alone about to shut down.”

"As many as 27 million Chinese are already out of work - with 20 million of them streaming out of the cities and back to the abandoned farms of the Chinese countryside."

What the Chinese are doing today is much like what the Japanese did in the mid-1980s. “Fearing a fall-off in the earnings of Japanese business from trade, Japan’s Ministry of Finance directed a torrent of low-interest bank loans into the manufacturing sector that were backed by a “nod and a wink” from the Bank of Japan.”

Then, the Japanese turned their central planning skills to the task of avoiding the kind of creative destruction that capitalism had in store for them. So far they have preventing the necessary restructuring for the last and likely also for the next 20 years. Brain dead banks were kept alive. Zombie companies remained in business. And an amount of money equal to more than an entire year's total output of all the Japanese people was spent in futile 'stimulus' efforts. Today, Japanese stocks are still selling for 75% less than they were in 1989. Japanese property, too, is only worth about a quarter of what it was worth at the top of the boom.

The big banks knew they could lend profitably to manufacturers because the government implicitly guaranteed the loans. The manufacturers took the money at low nominal interest rates. It was, after all, almost free money. As expected, Japanese manufacturers found themselves awash in liquidity. And they looked to deploy this cash in asset speculation, rather spending on capital goods or other aspects of the real economy. Like the feds created the housing boom and bust.

China now is another Asian economic superpower that has replaced Japan as the world’s largest trade-surplus country. However it is making the same mistake that Japan made in the 1980s.

Analyzing the Chinese stimulus program of an equivalent of US Dollar 570 billion reveals that it is likely that another down cycle in the global economy is triggered. In fact, China is the single biggest economic threat to everyone else in this world.

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Roy C

What an excellent analysis, Pim. Thanks.

You have the goods on the Chinese right here when you say:

Besides, other developing economies are reporting the same - increases in exports after a catastrophic collapse at the end of the last year. However one can measure the collapse easily by looking at the Baltic Dry Index - which keeps track of bulk-shipping rates. It fell by more than 90% last year. From its low, it's doubled - up 100%. But that still leaves it down 80% from a year ago.

China says it is growing. But if it were really growing it would be using more fuel and more electricity. Instead, “industrial demand for gasoil, used by factories and commercial plants, fell 12.6% in the first quarter. Also electricity generation has been going down. The last seven months' power output has been 8.5% below that of a year ago.”

"Over 15,000 factories in the Chinese provinces of Shenzhen, Guangzhou, or Dongguan have already shut down, with many more slated to close over the months ahead.”

“Half of China's toy factories have shut down. In fact, at least 67,000 factories overall closed in the last six months of 2008, with another 60,000 factories in the Wen Zhou Province alone about to shut down.”

"As many as 27 million Chinese are already out of work - with 20 million of them streaming out of the cities and back to the abandoned farms of the Chinese countryside."

The stats to support state-generated propaganda are not there. The Chinese central gov't cannot control all the necessary information about electricity use and still have a functioning business sector. So, we can tell what is going on.

Pim, the Japanese-Chinese mercantilist approach is the "Hare" approach to problems that needed the "Tortoise".  The "Hare" looks as if he is winning, but the sacrifice of one ideal to the exclusion of others means that the "Hare" has fallen asleep.

The "Tortoise", weighed down by his need to consider the whole problem, looks slow and appears to be a loser, but, in the end, he waltzes to the finish line while the "Hare" is stuck in ditch.

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nanute

Are you expecting a revolution, or a war?

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Hugh Askew

Amazing story, PIM.  Great job.

"Anyone who thinks China can save the world from recession needs to read former Morgan Stanley analyst Andy Xie’s opinion on the matter. Andy reckons China is the next giant Ponzi scheme set to collapse. Andy predicted the bubbles in Japan, Southeast Asia, and Silicon Valley and most recently in the US housing market. So when Andy speaks, everyone should listen."

Does Xie have any time frame for this?

One year, two?   Five?



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René

cool beans. chinese factories closing down? Hopefully that means less of theirshoddy goods ending up on our shores.

as far as the Us banks causing this, think Federal Reserve, their ponzi schemes, and the controlling banks: London. Brits have had it in for the US since 1789, and now in for China.



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nanute

China is the single biggest threat to everyone else in the world. And just who do you think created this single biggest threat to the rest of the world? I bet you can't bring yourself to tell me. Any of you?

The hollowing out of America’s workforce and lack of investment domestically has not meant a hollowing out of Corporate America. Those companies that did downsize American workers in a ‘short-term’ play for next quarter’s earnings are many of the ones which have outperformed for the last 13 years because they have gone global. And the impressive leaps forward in China are testament to the gains made in places like China due in part to that move. It’s called ‘global labor arbitrage’ and it is what I see as the defining element of globalization as practiced. Quoted from Ed Harrison at Credit Writedowns.

You see it isn't all China's fault, now is it?

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Hugh Askew

got no issue with that, nanute.

i haven't been interested in assigning blame here, tho there is plenty to spread around.

Once uncorked, the globalization genie could prove quite difficult to shove back in.  Short of war, or a nasty all encompassing tariff battle, how do we stop the outflow?

A full bore, no holds barred depression might help a bit, now.   Down the road, eventually, things would resume, as is.

Now a really, really, good salesman might be able to convince Americans not to buy low cost, plentiful, brand name chinese goods, but not until every home has a big screen and a laptop.

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nanute

I wasn't trying to say you were interested in assigning blame, HA. I was merely pointing out the disconnect in the statement that China is the biggest threat....

You are absolutely right about the globalization genie. It can't and won't be put back in the bottle. Tariff and trade wars will eventually lead to real live war. The interesting thing here is the similarities between where China's position in the world economy is now, relative to where the US's  position was coming out of the last Great Depression.  Here's what I mean: In 1929 the US was the worlds largest exporter. In 2009 China is the worlds largest exporter. We tried to export our way out of the problem by dumping goods onto the rest of the world. It wasn't successful. The question is whether China will try the same thing now. Trade agreements, will make it a bit more difficult, but if China decides to ignore the agreements, (and I wouldn't put it past them), how will the sanctions be enforced? 

Our US corporate masters bear a large share of the blame for creating this situation, and our middle class standard of living has been declining ever since. The truth is, we can't not afford to buy  anything but low cost, plentiful Chinese goods. And contrary to what Rene' thinks, the products being produced by China are anything but shoddy or inferior to what we used to produce right here at home. If these products sucked, we wouldn't  buy them. The safety and content of some products is problematic for sure. The new "free market" commucapitalists  will try and get away with anything to make the product cheaper. But they aren't stupid, and will not jeopardize the potential market share by continuing the practice once known.

It's like the old Shake and Bake commercial: China is emerging as the next leader of the world economy, "And We Helped."

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Hugh Askew

"commucapitalists"  That is good.  We helped?  A bronx cheer for that.  We gave them the lead. Handed it over...almost free. In some cases we paid them to take it.

Them quarterly earnings reports got to be on the positive side!

It is very interesting to note that short-sightedness appears to be in vogue in China as well.  I'm real interested in seeing how the "commucapitalists" deal with it.

Since manufacturing and exports drive their economy, and the factories are mostly concentrated in relatively small areas (much like the industrial midwest once), i'm curious as to what happens if unemployment gets really bad.

Not like the workers can go to the ballot box for change.

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nanute

Not like the workers can go to the ballot box for change. Agreed, 100%. I don't think they can own guns either. If the masses get too unruly, we'll see a redux of Tiannemen, pronto Or, the alternative is that the Chinese will give all those unemployed some stimulus American dollars. I was being kind with the we helped analogy. I like your take much better.

Do I get extra credit for my new word? How do I protect my rights? lol

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Saurabh Kumar

good news

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Sachin Puri

I this it will create a war.

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Pedro B.

Good story Pim! :) I believe that the Chinese gov. doesn't want to show the rest of the world in what kind of (very?) deep hole they are in at the moment. They can't allow to lose their face, as that would be unacceptable for Chinese people. China might hang on like this for several years, but once the world gets to know that they are playing around with numbers... doom day will come upon them.

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PIM of SPAIN

Very well phrased Pedro, thanks for yr contributive comment. Indeed the good news is made up, the bad news is not announced. Just seed hope under unknowing people. People that take the effort to investigate, study and analyze about what is going on, are better positioned to come out ahead of this mess.

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Iffy

I don't think it is in our interests to wish ill on China. China is vast. It is also very hard-working. All that energy has been critical to its success to date. Go there and see it in person. Equally, while the Chinese do live in a totalitarian country, they are also far less conforming and polite than the Japanese. The Chinese are much more plain speaking and in-your-face when it comes to economic issues. The government plays a tight rope act every day to keep it all on the road. We should help them because the consequences of China going down would be war.

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